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Title: McCain's Pastor Hagee on Hitler and the Jews
Source: The Nation
URL Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20080522/cm_thenation/15322778
Published: May 21, 2008
Author: The Nation
Post Date: 2008-05-22 13:47:00 by F.A. Hayek Fan
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Views: 2028
Comments: 31

The Nation -- John Hagee, the controversial pastor who has endorsed John McCain, argued in a late 1990s sermon that God sent Hitler to help the Jews get to the promised land (Israel, not Auschwitz).

Why did God allow the Holocaust to happen? According to a report in the Huffington Post by Sam Stein, Hagee's answer was: "Because God said my top priority for the Jewish people is to get them to come back to the land of Israel."

The report raises several questions. Did God have to be so rough in his methods? Instead of putting the Jews on trains to Auschwitz, couldn't he have gotten them bus tickets to Tel Aviv?

Hagee made the news earlier when he told Terry Gross on NPR's "Fresh Air" that Hurricane Katrina was God's punishment for the people of New Orleans who allowed a Gay Pride parade to be scheduled. According to that theory, the Holocaust should be seen as God's punishment for the Jews allowing those Gay Pride parades in Warsaw, Odessa and Lodz.

Alternatively, Hurricane Katrina could be viewed as God's method of getting the people of New Orleans to move to Houston.

Hagee got in trouble earlier for a sermon in which he called the Catholic church "the Great Whore." He would never say that about Golda Meier.

Hagee is one of the organizers of Christians United for Israel, which lobbies Congress on behalf of the Jewish state. He has received many awards from right-wing Jewish organizations, incudling the Israel Award of the Zionist Organization of America, presented in a ceremony in Dallas by former UN Ambassador Jean Kirkpatrick.

Hagee's sermon on Hitler as God's agent, delivered in the late 1990s, was first posted by Bruce Wilson on his site, Talk To Action.

Next question: why does John McCain think God sent us Hitler?

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#1. To: Hayek Fan (#0)

"Because God said my top priority for the Jewish people is to get them to come back to the land of Israel."

What a wagon load of BS.

God never chose anyone and the LAST place the Jews want to be is in Israel.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-05-22   13:59:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: All (#0)

Hagee is a very pious Christian. If he says it then I believe it. John McCain is wise in choosing brother Hagee as his pastor. As time goes on, Senator McCain's wisdom is further revealed. The American people are truly blessed that this man has decided to run for president at this point in time. Just more proof that God is with us as we pursue our manifest destiny.

McCain_Rocks posted on 2008-05-22 13:53:02 ET Reply Trace

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Just......wow.....what more can you say to something this mindless?

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2008-05-22   14:04:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Hayek Fan (#2) (Edited)

Hagee is a very pious Christian. If he says it then I believe it. John McCain is wise in choosing brother Hagee as his pastor. As time goes blah blah blah

At first I thought he was being sarcastic.

Guess not.

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PSUSA  posted on  2008-05-22   14:26:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Hayek Fan (#0)

Next question: why does John McCain think God sent us Hitler?

To set up America for decades of "nation-building" and establishing "democracy" around the globe whether people want it or not???

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”Schweizerische Schutzenseitunt (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-05-22   14:34:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: PSUSA (#3) (Edited)

At first I thought he was being sarcastic.

Guess not.

I haven't got McCain_Rocks figured out. Sometimes I think it's a parody of a rabid Republican and other times I'm not so sure that it's really not a real rabid Republican.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2008-05-22   14:39:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Hayek Fan (#0)

Mad Mac's handlers must have ordered him to reject the endorsement:

www.cnn.co m/2008/POLITICS...2/mccain.hagee/index.html

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-05-22   18:08:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Rupert_Pupkin, and all of the above... (#6)

How very amusing this psycho-political drama is becoming.

Hagee, like most of Christendom, is a stooge for Zionism.

Christendom has strayed very far off "the way."

America today probably justly deserves the two of them:

McNut McCain and McNut McHagee

SCPO Blackshoe Retired  posted on  2008-05-22   19:11:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Cynicom, Hayek Fan (#1)

"The antisemites WILL BECOME our most loyal friends, the antisemites nations will become our allies."

Theodore Herzl

buckeye  posted on  2008-05-22   19:19:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Hayek Fan (#0)

Hagee on Hitler

"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2008-05-22   19:23:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Itisa1mosttoolate, Cynicom, Dakmar, christine, Horse, AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, DeaconBenjamin, SCPO Blackshoe Retired (#9)

Herzl The Antisemitic Side of Zionism (Eng. subs) Pt. 1/9

Herzl hypocrisy at 6:24. At an Israeli mall, people think one of his remarks as so evil that Hitler must have made it.

buckeye  posted on  2008-05-22   21:16:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: buckeye (#10)

You can tell when the dust is about to hit the fan very easily.

Check El Al inbound and outbound flights. When the inbounds are empty and the outbounds are full, goys should duck and cover.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-05-22   21:20:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: buckeye (#10)

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Title: Why Hitler was right and the truth about the new world order
Source: hitlerwasright
URL Source: http://hitlerwasright/
Published: Sep 22, 2006
Author: hitlerwasright
Post Date: 2006-09-22 20:49:31 by blowfish
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jews are bad, they are bad for peace, the economy and sustained equality. the jews act as if they were the only people impacted upon in WWII well sory, it was a world war not a jewish war! the truth is, america had not intended to intervene in europe, and Germany was expected to become a powerful ally in thier then in its infancy New World Order. Things did not go as such when Germany invaded Russia, forcing America to act to protect its own unilateral interests, as if Germany had successfully completed it's invasion, which it was on course to do, America would have become subordinate to the newly established European Empire led by Adolf Hitler and the Nazi's. Well, we now stand on the brink of a new German riech, with german sentiment against the unilateral US/UK alliance is growing, and resentment over war reparations to Isreal and other European countries is on the rise. The jewish population may again become persecuted, especially by the 7 million muslims now living in Germany. The actions of Isreal have been absolutely unnessecary of late, and should it come under attack from its arab neighbours, i would violently oppose Australia being involved in any defence support. i would rather we were good friends with jordan, lebanon, syria and Eygypt/Arabia, as we have more to fear from them than the puny Isreali's, who are consistently allowed to trump thier nieghbours due to an unknown nuclear capability. Why do we allow such a pathetic excuse for democracy to stand? why don't we invade Isreal?

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jews are bad, they are bad for peace, the economy and sustained equality.

You mean in comparison to those saintly Nazi's,right?

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Does your mommy know you're on the computer?

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I bet fish aren't the only recipients of your talents....

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You should post over on Freedom4Um. All the Jew haters post there. You might even find a friend.

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We've got a new nazi spammer.

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We've got a new nazi spammer.

Thanks Marguerite for pinging Goldi-Lox. We don't need crap like this on LP.

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If I had to chose between a Jew or a Muslim, I think I know which group I would pick.

I would pick the one that's not attacking my nation, religion or civilization!

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Before I opened this I thought either nitesofstjude or OInk...

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TO: Blowfish - With all due respect my man, (I assume I am speaking to a male), should you take the time to sit down and dust off that ole black book and begin to read, perhaps from the first page and then methodically onward, you will find a story repeated over and over and over of the Jews and their tribulations. Oh, let me beat you to the punch, you can declare it is all falsehood, or anything else you choose to use to deny the book and story, but the Jews are who we as a Christian Nation, and I am sorry to offend the A.C.L.U. and all the other misguided heathen subversive organizations that were allowed to materialize from ivy leagers not paying attention to what the Commie, Atheist, Teachers were pounding into the children's brains, but the Jews and Isralis are who we have a common bond with. We are not a Hindu Nation, we are not a Buddist Nation, we are not Hippie Nation and let's all smoke dope, have a group hug, and feel good Nation. We certainly are not an muslim Nation nor do we relate to allah. We are a Christian Nation. As such we have an inherent responsibility to defend and protect Israel. The rest of the bunch are after the oil these barbarians have. Oh, guess who it was that developed the oil sites, drilled for the oil, and set up the oil process. We did not always have an OPEC. Sorry to go off on a tangent, but I am totally fed up with these B.S. off the wall statements being made by some never done nothing in my life but bitch types with no response being returned.

Impeach George W. Bush. Tom Tancredo for President. God Bless the Patriotic Vigalante Minutemen. God Bless the Patriotic Vigalante Border Guardians. Keep your powder dry. Remember come November. Vote the bums out. All except Tom Tancredo. Deport, deport, deport. www.constitutionparty.com

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You're a bit over the top in your distorted theorizing on this one.

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Does your mommy know you're on the computer?

I doubt his mommy will even talk to him. She has to be hiding in shame for giving birth to him.

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We've got a new nazi spammer.

For once,you are dead on the money.

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We are a Christian Nation. As such we have an inherent responsibility to defend and protect Israel.

Your first sentence--correct. Your second sentence--total B-S!

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TO: KnightsofstJohn - Oh worthy Traveler, please enlighten me. Regards Ghost.

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As an American, I don't have "an inherent responsibility to defend and protect Israel." Neither does my country.

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TO: KnightsofStJohn - Ah so weedhopper, I listened to that philosophy shortly when the "new" group took over the "defense"? of Viet Nam. Regards Ghost.

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Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2008-05-22   21:21:58 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#12)

horsefeathers!

And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot

Dakmar  posted on  2008-05-22   21:23:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Itisa1mosttoolate, Peppa, christine (#12)

I would pick the one that's not attacking my nation, religion or civilization!

I'm stumped. The British? In other news, Marguerite really dislikes Ron Paul supporters. I don't think I"m one of her favorite posters at LP.

buckeye  posted on  2008-05-22   21:29:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: buckeye (#14)

Every time I posted on ElPee olde Hag Marge went whining and sniveling to Goldi.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-05-22   21:36:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Cynicom, SCPO Blackshoe Retired, Original_Intent, Dakmar (#15)

I asked her once what her nationality was. All she would say was that she was posting from Europe. No matter where they go, there is Israel on their minds. Who will think about America? This is my promised land.

buckeye  posted on  2008-05-22   21:43:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Hayek Fan, christine (#2)

Hagee is a very pious Christian. If he says it then I believe it. John McCain is wise in choosing brother Hagee as his pastor. As time goes on, Senator McCain's wisdom is further revealed. The American people are truly blessed that this man has decided to run for president at this point in time. Just more proof that God is with us as we pursue our manifest destiny.

The mindless goy are so rewarded to have a great man of G-D like MCcain to lead them, it is really like Soloman leading after David, that is MCcain leading after Bush.

I am going to church this Sunday to praise Jesus and hope the Republicans Nuke the ragheads into a glass parking lot for my Hummer.

That's how we will achieve world peace.

I love Jesus, and he loves me, prolly a lot more than he cares for any of you.

Did I tell you I bot another yellow ribbon for the Hummer??

God Bless George Bush and Laura and his hot girls.

BIGBUCKS_BADEYE  posted on  2008-05-22   21:45:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: buckeye, Cynicom (#16) (Edited)

The most virulent anti Ron Paul people also seem to be the most pro-Israel. I won't insult anyones intelligence by asking if it seems a tad too coincidental to be believed as such.

And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot

Dakmar  posted on  2008-05-22   21:54:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Dakmar (#18)

Sometimes it takes a hardship to find out who one's friends really are. Asking for a little distance should not be answered with demanding snarls.

buckeye  posted on  2008-05-22   22:06:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Dakmar and all the above (#18)

This has been one of the best L M A O B D R O T F D moments ever!

Well done 4umers!

SCPO Blackshoe Retired  posted on  2008-05-22   22:14:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: buckeye (#19)

I remember a contest in grade school, there were like six different colored ribbons as prizes. I won the green one, which signified fourth or fifth place, out of four or five I think it was. It was a beautiful shade of green, all shimery too. God how I loved that ribbon and came to regret my fall from grace once everyone owned some sort of ribbon.

And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot

Dakmar  posted on  2008-05-22   22:18:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: BIGBUCKS_BADEYE (#17)

I am going to church this Sunday to praise Jesus and hope the Republicans Nuke the ragheads into a glass parking lot for my Hummer.

;P

christine  posted on  2008-05-22   22:42:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: buckeye, Cynicom, SCPO Blackshoe Retired, Dakmar (#16)

I asked her once what her nationality was. All she would say was that she was posting from Europe. No matter where they go, there is Israel on their minds. Who will think about America? This is my promised land.

She's most likely the same person who posts on Liberty Forum as Isobel K - Jewish, a rabid Zionist and disinfo agent. She is of average intelligence, lives in Germany - or so she has claimed on LF, but is of English birth. She does use some Britishisms - upper class ones. Likely she comes from a wealthy family or at least upper Middle Class. Rothschild or a relative.?

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-05-29   17:46:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Dakmar, Cynicom (#18)

The most virulent anti Ron Paul people also seem to be the most pro-Israel. I won't insult anyones intelligence by asking if it seems a tad too coincidental to be believed as such.

The Zionazis do not like Ron Paul because he has spoken out against the Israel Lobby and advocates noninterventionism in Foreign Policy. That means Israel's Welfare check would be cut off and the U.S. would no longer be Israel's surrogate army. That would put an end to their push for Eretz Y'srael (Greater Israel) as laid out by Theodore Herzl in his diaries. It would also expose Israel to a potential War Crimes Tribunal.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-05-29   17:50:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Original_Intent (#23)

Either way, it's been very interesting to encounter this kind of resistance to Ron Paul's message of peace and prosperity.

buckeye  posted on  2008-05-29   17:54:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Dakmar (#18)

The most virulent anti Ron Paul people also seem to be the most pro-Israel. I won't insult anyones intelligence by asking if it seems a tad too coincidental to be believed as such.

Is it coincidental that so many very pro-Israel people are also virulently against Obama?

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-29   17:57:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: aristeides (#26)

Can you explain why secular globalism is better than secular Zionism?

buckeye  posted on  2008-05-29   18:06:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Original_Intent (#24)

The Zionazis do not like Ron Paul because he has spoken out against the Israel Lobby and advocates noninterventionism in Foreign Policy.

And they call anyone who gives a damn about the Constitution, civil liberties, the national deficit, inflation, national sovereignty, peace and prosperity a "kook". My personal favorite is calling anti-Zionist posters "trailer trash" while triangulating that with what a small amount of US GDP goes to Israel while bragging about their own incomes. Now that's chutzpah, baby, they pass hate-crime laws to keep schmucks like you and me from employing identical tactics. Thank Yogi and Boo-Boo the US isn't quite as "progressive" as Europe yet.

The networks keep turning down my idea for a reality show: "Who Wants to be a Martyr?"

And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot

Dakmar  posted on  2008-05-29   20:32:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: aristeides (#26)

Is it coincidental that so many very pro-Israel people are also virulently against Obama?

Hells no, but that's your cross to bear, not mine. I can't support Obama because he is establishment through and through. It seems a funny reason not to support someone for POTUS, I know, it being an establishment gig to begin with, but I think we can do better. I think it was cheesy of Obama to ditch Rev Wright, he should have used the whole experience as a teachable moment... :)

And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot

Dakmar  posted on  2008-05-29   20:38:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Dakmar (#28)

The networks keep turning down my idea for a reality show: "Who Wants to be a Martyr?"

Catchy name. I like it.

We could have a few Jewish Mothers and their darling Princess Daughters vying for the crown.

Q. What is a Jewish Princess's favorite Wine?

A. Taaaaaaaaaake me to Bloooooooooomingdales.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-05-29   20:42:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Original_Intent (#30)

Holy moly batman I saw something startlingly similar to that on Style Channel, only it was a large-framed asian woman lording over a half dozen gay black toadies.

My satellite provider apparently refuses to carry the Ezra Pound Channel.

There's not one?

And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot

Dakmar  posted on  2008-05-29   20:54:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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