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Title: Former FBI special agent Don Clark lies his pants off about knowing Roland Carnaby
Source: Gene Dios
URL Source: http://genedios.livejournal.com/2690.html
Published: May 4, 2008
Author: Gene Dios
Post Date: 2008-05-04 17:05:34 by JiminyC
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Views: 660
Comments: 21

The rabbit hole gets deeper.

Don Clark, former Special Agent-in-Charge of the Houston Field Office of the FBI and now a Fox news 'analyst', claims that he never saw the name Roland Carnaby until it came out in the paper.

HOUSTON -- Roland Carnaby claimed to work for the CIA. But the suspect who police shot at the end of a citywide car chase Tuesday was known by a different name to the former agent in charge of the Houston FBI.

"I only knew him as Tony," said Don Clark, FOX 26's security and law enforcement analyst and former FBI agent. "I had no idea what his name may have been or was. The name that was in the newspaper, I had never seen that name before."

Former FBI Agent: I Knew Chase Suspect By Different Name 02 May 2008

But on Feb. 16, 2007, Clark and Carnaby shared the bill at an AFIO event in Houston.

16 February 2007 - Houston, TX - AFIO Houston Chapter hosts James L. Pavitt, former DDO CIA, and Don K. Clark, Former Special Agent-in-Charge of the Houston Field Office of the FBI at a formal dinner - 6 p.m. to 10 p.m. at the SHERATON SUITES HOTEL, 2400 West Loop South (I-610), Houston, Texas 77027. 713-586-2444. A presentation and introduction will be made by Roland V. Carnaby President of AFIO Houston Chapter, and Dr George Friedman, Founder and Chief Executive Officer of Stratfor RSVP REQUIRED and final registration by February 12, 2007. You may remember their great Inaugural Dinner Meeting! Seating is limited by capacity and security. Kindly Respond in the affirmative ASAP: Provide name, address, email, phone and names of your guests to the Houston address 1302 Waugh Dr. # 520 Houston, Texas 77019 no later than February 12, 2007. Bring an associate, friend, spouse. $50pp payable to AFIO Houston Chapter. For further information visit Houston Chapter Website at: www.afiohouston.com and for directions and future events. No tickets at the door, for security reasons. Please, NO cameras or cell phones allowed at this event.

AFIO Weekly Intelligence Notes

As Carnaby was the President of the Houston chapter of the AFIO and Clark was a senior FBI agent in Houston, it's a little hard to believe Clark's denials. Methinks the agent doth protest too much.

The only good thing to come out of it is the proof, like we need any more, that the FBI and the media both lie.

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#1. To: Cynicom, Zoroaster, BTP Holdings, Jethro Tull, Tauzero, Red Jones, Lady X, noone222, Brian S, christine, robin, HOUNDDAWG, Uncle Bill, Dakmar, tom007, aristeides, scrapper2, innieway, lodwick, Pinguinite (#0)

"I had no idea what his name may have been or was. The name that was in the newspaper, I had never seen that name before."

Check it out.


"Abe Foxman, my good friend and partner." - John Negroponte

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JiminyC  posted on  2008-05-04   17:07:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Critter (#0)

As you said on the other thread, he didn't appear to be reaching for anything. That the ex-chief of the Houston FBI and the chief of the HPD are both lying about knowing him looks to me like they're scared of someone.

That the mass media has clamped down on this story is also telling.


"Abe Foxman, my good friend and partner." - John Negroponte

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JiminyC  posted on  2008-05-04   21:48:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Cynicom, Zoroaster, BTP Holdings, Jethro Tull, Tauzero, Red Jones, Lady X, noone222, Brian S, christine, robin, HOUNDDAWG, Uncle Bill, Dakmar, tom007, aristeides, scrapper2, innieway, lodwick, Pinguinite, Critter (#0)

From someone in Houston that's paying attention:

Hi-

I'm new to this forum. I found it when searching for information about Roland Carnaby today. I wanted to just mention some odd things about his death to you, but not post them in the general public just yet.

I live in the Houston area, and had the television on that day in the background. Right before 11:00 a.m., the newscaster broke in with "We've got breaking news to tell you about. We've been following this high-speed chase for an hour and a half so far, and we want to bring it to you now."

Here's my questions so far on this:

1. I had been flipping between stations KHOU, KTRK and KPRC and nobody was showing this story, but right at 11:00 a.m., all THREE stations automatically have it on. Like they were all told to do so right then.

2. All three of these stations will break in with their "Breaking News!" stories at the drop of a hat, with the most mundane of stories. Why was this not brought to our attention earlier? Why did all three stations wait an hour and a half?

3. Right as all three stations break their regular programs and go to this "breaking news" story, Roland Carnaby suddenly pulls over and the story unfolds right before our eyes, as if on cue.

4. The short 2-second part of the video that showed the supposed "high-speed" chase didn't look very high speed to me. Nor did it look like heavy traffic, that the news was saying finally forced him to pull over.

5. I don't think there was a high-speed chase, I don't think the cops were chasing him for an hour and a half. I think it's very curious that all three major TV stations in Houston apparently had copters following this guy, as well as 4 HPD choppers, (Can you imagine that? 7 choppers following this guy, for a supposed traffic enforcement violation? It was like he was O.J. Simpson or something, who actually got treated much better than this guy did, and O.J. supposedly was being followed becaused he murdered someone. This guy was being followed for what reason, really?

6. On the video tapes shown, the scene showed only one true HPD Traffic Enforcement vehicle, but plenty of other white unmarked police cars, including two pulled up next to this SUV. I didn't think unmarked cars could participate in chases, and I thought HPD had just instituted a new policy where they don't conduct high-speed chases that could endanger innocent civilians, because they have accidentally killed too many with their high speed chases before.

7. In the tape, you can clearly see two men dressed in camouflage pants, with brown or black tee shirts on that have some kind of badge hanging down. These two men are carrying assault rifles. Who are they and why are they there?

8. When the SUV is finally stopped, Officer C.A. Foster comes running up on the passenger side and starts bashing in the passenger side front window. There is no bullhorn, no siren, no one trying to talk to the guy inside the SUV, just immediate use of force.

9. Alongside Officer Foster is Officer A.J. Washington, who when the glass is finally broken, sticks his gun inside the SUV at Roland Carnaby. I think this is when Roland got shot. I think Officer Washington shot him while he was inside the car. I also saw Officer Foster & Officer Washington reaching inside the car, and not down towards the car door, but across like to the seat or possibly trying to get Roland's Blackberry.

10. Officer Washington then runs around to the driver's side door, and pulls it open. When Roland starts to step one foot out, Officer Washington grabs the door and shoves it hard back at Roland, causing him to stumble and fall. If he still had possession of his Blackberry, he may have dropped it at this point and when reaching down to retrieve it, the cops (over 7 of them on the videotape) converge and open fire.

11. I believe Roland was already dying when he emerged from his SUV.

12. One of the guys dressed in camo, who had been calmly standing off to the side, while the shooting was going on, then calmly walks over with the handcuffs, and handcuffs a lifeless body.

13. Right after Roland stumbled out of the SUV, he rolled slightly toward the back driver's side tire, and for some reason, the cops dragged his body up by the driver's side door. Then camo guy put cuffs on him.

14. After the cuffs were put on Roland, the cops get up and walk away, leaving Roland to bleed out alone on the hot freeway concrete alone. They calmly walked away, like they had just finished a meal and were leaving a restaurant.

15. I read a comment on the chron.com where people have been commenting like crazy over the last few days, most all of the comments are insane praise over the shoot, which is scary as a citizen reading that crap, but one comment thanked KHOU for having such a good video of the whole event. I went to all three TV stations websites, and KHOU was the only one showing everything very clearly. The others were shaky, grainy or obscure. The damning part of the video to me was seeing Roland stumble (I think he was already shot) out of the SUV and then fall to the ground. I don't think any of those cops there felt threatened at all. Roland looked like he was drugged, drunk or shot as he fell out of the SUV and fell. Today, when I again checked the KHOU website and re-watched the tape, part of the tape has now been obscured and the part where Roland stumbled out of the SUV has been edited out. The other TV stations have edited their's too, to be un-useful to the average viewer looking for answers.

16. One of the cops after seeing Roland laying on the ground dying, claps his hands together, like YES! We got him! Why anyone who was not threatening to them would be treated like a common criminal gunned down in broad daylight is beyond comprehension.

17. I also think the denials being given by David Adler and Steve Jett and Harold Hurtt are interesting to watch without the audio turned on. If you watch their facial expressions, you can tell just by looking at their body language and face, that not only are they lying, but that they're scared. What are they afraid of? Who are they afraid of?

18. If Roland wasn't CIA, why did the CIA immediately and simultaneously deny any knowledge of him and announce that someone will be arriving from Langley, VA. to "ASSIST" the HPD with their investigation?

19. Why is the family lawyer being retained a CIA lawyer that investigated the assasinations of both JFK & MLK? Why not Rusty Hardin or some other media hungry attorney from Houston?

20. I know someone in the restaurant business who said Roland dined at his fine dining restaurant 3-4 times a week, with very important local officials, and was very well-liked and well-respected in the Houston area. Something happened here that doesn't pass the smell test, even to a casual observer like me. If Roland was CIA in any form, and he hung around expensive restaurants, and car dealers and the Port of Houston, which just recently started accepting tankers of LPG, maybe he was doing work to protect the Port. Now that he's gone, I'm worried and watchful, but worried.

Let me know your thoughts, I respect your opinions.

Thanks!

...I think it's interesting to see Don Clark, former head of the FBI Houston office, says now that he only knew Roland as "Tony", which was apparently his CIA name. It sounds like whoever this man was, he had very dangerous information about something that somebody didn't want him to pass along. The CIA & FBI have gone into total Deny, Denounce & Discredit mode on this case.

--- “The only real failure in life is not to be true to the best one knows.” ---

JiminyC  posted on  2008-05-05   23:53:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: JiminyC (#3)

I think it's interesting to see Don Clark, former head of the FBI Houston office, says now that he only knew Roland as "Tony", which was apparently his CIA name. It sounds like whoever this man was, he had very dangerous information about something that somebody didn't want him to pass along.

like the DC Madam....

christine  posted on  2008-05-06   1:51:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: christine, Pinguinite, Tauzero, ratcat (#4) (Edited)

A very strange thing...

Liberty Forum is down. In doing a certain google search on LF for this story, the option to view a cache of the story is removed. I've never seen this happen with an LF thread on Google before.

A few of us were fleshing out this story with other facts, such as the missing Alan Premel and his business dealings. The net is quickly being scrubbed of Alan Premel references.

--- “The only real failure in life is not to be true to the best one knows.” ---

JiminyC  posted on  2008-05-06   2:03:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: JiminyC (#5)

A link for you:

Newsweek Feb 2008

Posted By: bishop2pawn @ 02/18/2008 1:47:05 AM

Comment: I heard Roland Carnaby and Alan Premel, both former CIA officers speak about William Buckley at a barnes and Noble several weeks ago. I am oblivious to terrorism hunts that still go on. Especially so many years after the crimes have been committed. I am glad that there are dedicated professionals out in world who are brave enough to take on such tasks. I like how the article read that men in the streets supporters of the terrorist would not speak his name. A true claim to true CIA power that even in his own country he was not safe from the long arm of the CIA.

Ron Paul 2008

JohnGalt  posted on  2008-05-07   15:29:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: JohnGalt (#6)

I wonder if Premel got iced too.

--- “The only real failure in life is not to be true to the best one knows.” ---

JiminyC  posted on  2008-05-07   16:26:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: JohnGalt (#6)

Don Clark on the Texas 'polygamist' raid, 04/08/08

--- “The only real failure in life is not to be true to the best one knows.” ---

JiminyC  posted on  2008-05-07   16:36:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: JiminyC (#7)

bishoptopawn has 6 weird posting @ Newsweek in one day. Could be a (mentally unstable) Roland...tread lightly, but a serious student of this case needs to make some calls to DC Barnes and Nobles that Alan Premel spoke at.

Palfrey is the story of the moment and misdirects are floating out there...

Ron Paul 2008

JohnGalt  posted on  2008-05-07   16:54:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: JohnGalt (#9)

Funny how the media (and so-called alt.media like Alex Jones and Rense) are all over Palfey but essentially ignoring Carnaby.

Thanks for info on bishop2pawn. What made you connect the name to Carnaby?

--- “The only real failure in life is not to be true to the best one knows.” ---

JiminyC  posted on  2008-05-07   16:58:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: JiminyC (#8)

Here is some more:

Only mention of Alan Premel and Moscow Channel 1 via google, a myspace page cached since taken private. Here is 'AP's' myspace-- logged in yesterday.

Ron Paul 2008

JohnGalt  posted on  2008-05-07   17:01:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: JiminyC (#10)

I guess for the moment, I lean that Carnaby might have been some sort of weirdo--subject to change. I was doing google searches on Carnaby and Alan Premel when I saw the post, the only one not being associated with that rather weird papparazi blog entry.

I did some searches and it looked like the boards hadn't found it yet and while I don't post here anymore, I saw your thread and wanted to throw it out there.

Then I did the searches on the poster, bishop2pawn.

Just saying, tread slowly. Like I said, a serious person can make some calls/searches on Alan Premel Barnes and Nobles tour (I know he has a contract with them from this link.)

Anyway, this Premel angle is too obvious--though it needs to be played out. Someone out there was trying to link the two chaps, or Carnaby was a weirdo makings posts and starting blogs.

Ron Paul 2008

JohnGalt  posted on  2008-05-07   17:08:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: JiminyC (#10)

Oh, and someone should see if this Moscow Channel 1 stuff exists...why would 'Alison' mention it and that blog?

Ron Paul 2008

JohnGalt  posted on  2008-05-07   17:09:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: JohnGalt (#11)

Effin' strange.

AP Tony stood before God and God said "Foghetaboutit"

"Secrecy Once Accepted Becomes an Addiction"

Thanks for links.

--- “The only real failure in life is not to be true to the best one knows.” ---

JiminyC  posted on  2008-05-07   17:09:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: JiminyC (#14)

Yeah, I saw that but missed the Clark connection to the name, 'Tony.'

Happy hunting, gotta run.

Ron Paul 2008

JohnGalt  posted on  2008-05-07   17:13:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: JohnGalt (#9)

hi there, nice to see you again.

christine  posted on  2008-05-07   17:43:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: christine (#16)

As of last fall, two in diapers...have had to scale back, way back.

Warmest regards,

Ron Paul 2008

JohnGalt  posted on  2008-05-07   20:37:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: JiminyC, JohnGalt (#5)

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/ May 7, 2008 -- Professional take on Carnaby shooting: it was an assassination (Madsen (former NSA) is covering this story but you have to be paid member to access it. Madsen is way out there in dangerous territory and has talked about it on the Alex Jones show twice, last week.)

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/cat_assassination.html Wayne Madsen is saying Houston has become a major ops base for Mossad, and weapons were planted in Carnaby's car AFTER it was impounded - M. R.

ratcat  posted on  2008-05-09   1:05:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: JiminyC (#2) (Edited)

I don't believe it takes much to get shot after a high-speed car chase these days. One is assumed to be an armed terrorist who has temporarily dropped a multi-ton weapon at that point. An agent would know that. That's why I say it "looks" like a suicide.

nobody  posted on  2008-05-09   1:20:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: ratcat (#18)

Yeah, but has Wayne made the calls to DC-area Barnes and Nobles, i.e. journalism or is he just self-promoting?

Ron Paul 2008

JohnGalt  posted on  2008-05-09   11:19:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: JohnGalt (#20)

I have read Madsen's stuff for years. He's an excellent source for info that is verified (often years later) thru other sources. He's not just a self promoter. These subjects are very dangerous. Most people won't touch them.

ratcat  posted on  2008-05-11   2:24:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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