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Title: New Hampshire Freedom4um Ad is Ready to Go!
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URL Source: http://www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=66679&Disp=0
Published: Dec 3, 2007
Author: Christine
Post Date: 2007-12-03 11:35:40 by christine
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Views: 9313
Comments: 124

Thanks to those here for your time and interest in creating our ad (a special thanks to Critter) for the Manchester Union Leader. Pending agreement with the paper, our plan is to run it on Sunday, January 6th , two days before the New Hampshire primary.
We have two choices. The 4 x 6 Black and White for $1100 and 4 x 6 Color for $1864. Our preference, of course, is the eye catching color!
Several 4um members have pledged financial support and now we need to hear from others who enjoy posting here on a regular basis. I believe that the presidency of Ron Paul is our last chance to Restore our Republic and to save our country.
I would appreciate it so much if we at Freedom4um could do our part in making this happen. You may PM me with your pledges and with complete confidentiality. (1 image)
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#1. To: All, christine (#0)
If you are interested in helping toward the printing of this ad in the NH newspaper, please send a PM to christine.
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today!
robin posted on 2007-12-03 11:39:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2. To: robin (#1)
If you are interested in helping toward the printing of this ad in the NH newspaper, please send a PM to christine.If you are interested in helping toward the printing of this ad in the NH newspaper, please send a PM to christine.

Is this Christine person someone we know and can be trusted with such a huge amount of loot????

Cynicom posted on 2007-12-03 11:58:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#3. To: Cynicom (#2)
You betcha! ;)
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today!
robin posted on 2007-12-03 12:03:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#4. To: robin (#3)
You betcha! ;)

Well, okay then, with your PERSONAL assurance, I am in and will so advise this Christine person.

Cynicom posted on 2007-12-03 12:08:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#5. To: All, Correction (#0)
We just spoke with the ad department at the Union. 4 x 6 B&W is $1100. 4 x 6 Color is $1864.

christine posted on 2007-12-03 12:14:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#6. To: christine (#5)
We want the color ad.
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today!
robin posted on 2007-12-03 12:16:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#7. To: robin (#6)
I agree!

christine posted on 2007-12-03 12:16:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#8. To: christine, robin (#5)
4 x 6 Color is $1864.

I like the 4 x 6 color very much and hope others will join in with supporting this effort.
I had to sacrifice a months worth of beer to make my donation, that took a lot of will power.

Cynicom posted on 2007-12-03 12:17:42 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#9. To: Cynicom (#8)
The color ad is eye-catching. Thanks for your sacrifice!
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today!
robin posted on 2007-12-03 12:19:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#10. To: robin (#9)
The color ad is eye-catching. Thanks for your sacrifice!

Well, it took a lot of thinking on my part, but then look at it this way, it is either make it possible for Paul or we will have Hillary as lord and master.
If the price of beer goes up again, I will have to cut down on the bologna. Get my priorities straight.

Cynicom posted on 2007-12-03 12:28:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#11. To: christine, *libertarians* (#0)

My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles, and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
farmfriend posted on 2007-12-03 12:34:42 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#12. To: Cynicom (#10)
If the price of beer goes up again, I will have to cut down on the bologna.

Beer has more calories anyway.

duckhunter posted on 2007-12-03 12:37:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#13. To: christine (#7)
Gimme an address and I'll send $100

noone222 posted on 2007-12-03 12:39:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#14. To: duckhunter (#12)
Beer has more calories anyway.

duck...

Old military saying, there is a loaf of bread and pork chop in every bottle of beer.
It was an extreme sacrifice and I cried a lot but I sent my loot to Christine.
Redeeming social value however, I will buy TWICE as much beer in January.

Cynicom posted on 2007-12-03 12:41:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#15. To: Cynicom (#14)
duck...
Old military saying, there is a loaf of bread and pork chop in every bottle of beer.

The discovery of the brewing process probably did more to advance civilization than anything else before antibiotics. Seriously.

duckhunter posted on 2007-12-03 12:43:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#16. To: duckhunter (#15)
Seriously.

I was taught to look at it this way...Water washes out roads and bridges, makes people homeless etc etc...You never heard of beer doing that did you???
So any sane thinking person would shun bad water and drink good beer. And donate money for 4um ad.

Cynicom posted on 2007-12-03 12:46:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#17. To: christine (#0)
Subliminal messages in the ad:
1. Title statement looks like a fact. For a casual careless observer who does not go deeper than title this could be an ad for the person named in the title.
2. 2nd line "Scare" is negative. Instinctive answer to the question is NO (I don't get scared -> I'm not with you)
3 "scares us" - repeats 2. -> Those who get scared loose.
4. "Put an end to war on drugs"? Like, is he actually FOR them?
5. 5-end stars in the photo can be interpreted as a hint that the object is part of the system.
Just some marketing thoughts...

_ru posted on 2007-12-03 13:01:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#18. To: christine (#0)
www.ronpaul2008.com/
Over 10.5
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today!
robin posted on 2007-12-03 18:05:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#19. To: robin (#18)
Paul needs a good showing on Dec 16th and on Jan 8th, New Hampshire primary.
With those two it would be difficult for MSM to ignore him.

Cynicom posted on 2007-12-03 18:07:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#20. To: christine, lodwick, dakmar, critter, Arator, robin, BrianS, peppa, Zipporah, wbales, Twentytwelve, FOH, ALL!!! (#18)
Excuse me while I interrupt this thread with yet ANOTHER example of how Ron Paul is getting f***** over (sorry, I'm pissed) by the powers that be. Click here to enter the portal of the MSN newspage; the homepage for many who use MSN as an ISP. Enter 'Ron Paul' in the search engine, and hit the pretty green button. Wow. Look at ALL the Ron Paul links. Now...without scrolling down, check out the right side of the page. I will eat one of my wife's delicious walnut chocolate chip cookies in honor of the FIRST person that sees what has me pissed.
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil posted on 2007-12-03 18:10:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#21. To: who knows what evil (#20)
Related Searches--David Duke

christine posted on 2007-12-03 18:14:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#22. To: christine (#21)
Related Searches--David Duke

The ole guilt by association. Lame.

Vitamin Z posted on 2007-12-03 18:15:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#23. To: christine (#21)
We have a winner!!!!! MUNCH!
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil posted on 2007-12-03 18:15:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#24. To: robin (#18)
Over 10.5

TwentyTwelve posted on 2007-12-03 18:16:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#25. To: Vitamin Z (#22)
Lame, but some people really fall for lame...
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil posted on 2007-12-03 18:17:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#26. To: who knows what evil (#20)
In the gold mining business that is what is called "salting" the mine.

Cynicom posted on 2007-12-03 18:19:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#27. To: christine (#21)
This from comments on a USA Today poll.
"4m ago If these "telephone polls" started including CELL PHONES instead of just land lines, they'd get a real picture. Ron Paul supporters arent sitting at home on our retirement checks, we're at work M-F 9-5. We're young, we're out in the world, we're connected, and we know what's going on! Ron Paul Revolution!"

Cynicom posted on 2007-12-03 18:35:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#28. To: who knows what evil (#20) (Edited)
Excuse me while I interrupt this thread with yet ANOTHER example of how Ron Paul is getting f***** over (sorry, I'm pissed) by the powers that be. Click here to enter the portal of the MSN newspage; the homepage for many who use MSN as an ISP. Enter 'Ron Paul' in the search engine, and hit the pretty green button. Wow. Look at ALL the Ron Paul links. Now...without scrolling down, check out the right side of the page. I will eat one of my wife's delicious walnut chocolate chip cookies in honor of the FIRST person that sees what has me pissed.

Odd, I tried the same for Huckleberry and there was nothing about torturing stray dogs. I wonder if there's a link on Guiliani's search about planting bombs in the offices of Congressmen?
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
Dakmar posted on 2007-12-03 18:39:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#29. To: Cynicom (#27)
"4m ago If these "telephone polls" started including CELL PHONES instead of just land lines, they'd get a real picture. Ron Paul supporters arent sitting at home on our retirement checks, we're at work M-F 9-5. We're young, we're out in the world, we're connected, and we know what's going on! Ron Paul Revolution!"

cooooool!!!

christine posted on 2007-12-03 19:16:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#30. To: christine (#29)
How goes the fund raiser?
Change for Ron Paul
Critter posted on 2007-12-03 22:43:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#31. To: Cynicom (#2)
Is this Christine person someone we know and can be trusted with such a huge amount of loot????

Don't tell anyone but she and I are taking off to Hawaii with the dough.
Change for Ron Paul
Critter posted on 2007-12-03 23:03:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#32. To: robin (#6)
We want the color ad.

Color is colorful.
Any silly excuse to bump this.
Change for Ron Paul
Critter posted on 2007-12-03 23:04:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#33. To: _ru (#17)
1. Title statement looks like a fact. For a casual careless observer who does not go deeper than title this could be an ad for the person named in the title.
2. 2nd line "Scare" is negative. Instinctive answer to the question is NO (I don't get scared -> I'm not with you)
3 "scares us" - repeats 2. -> Those who get scared loose.

I agree. A lot of poeple won't notice anything but the title and think it is an ad for Hilary and instead of getting scared they might even like it. Instead of going negative like Fred and McCain did in the debate it might be good to only talk about the positives - Ron Paul's stance on the issues.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2007-12-03 23:19:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#34. To: RickyJ (#33)
for me, it works. that headline is an attention grabber and it makes me want to read what comes next. our target audience for the ad is republicans who can and will vote in the NH primary so i think that, in this case, the hillary fear factor is going to sell.

christine posted on 2007-12-03 23:32:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#35. To: christine (#34)
for me, it works. that headline is an attention grabber and it makes me want to read what comes next. our target audience for the ad is republicans who can and will vote in the NH primary so i think that, in this case, the hillary fear factor is going to sell.

New Englanders may be an ornery lot but they are honest. Most will at least speed read the ad and if they already have problems with Hillary it will be reinforced one more time.
We will get a circulation of over 250,000 statewide with a readership in excess of 300,000. Those are people that vote. If we get 30,000 to read the ad and think,our money is well spent.
Voting for the sorry lot of Giuliani and McLame has got to sour the thoughts of many people.

Cynicom posted on 2007-12-04 4:24:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#36. To: *Ron Paul for President 2008* (#35)
BTTT

christine posted on 2007-12-04 9:28:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#37. To: christine (#36)

Join the Ron Paul Revolution
Lod posted on 2007-12-04 9:37:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#38. To: lodwick (#37)
BTTT
Are you new here?

Cynicom posted on 2007-12-04 10:36:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#39. To: ALL (#38)
Update: We've received pledges for $1200 so far. If everyone gave just $10, we could do this easily. We're getting close! Remember, our goal is $1864 for the color ad.
Thank you all for your consideration.

christine posted on 2007-12-05 9:55:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#40. To: christine (#34)
for me, it works. that headline is an attention grabber and it makes me want to read what comes next. our target audience for the ad is republicans who can and will vote in the NH primary so i think that, in this case, the hillary fear factor is going to sell.

I don't agree, but I'm usually wrong about trends. Go RP. Where do we send the dough?

angle posted on 2007-12-05 9:59:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#41. To: angle (#40)
Where do we send the dough?

If you have any left lying around there I collect such.

Cynicom posted on 2007-12-05 10:15:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#42. To: Cynicom (#41)
I collect such.

How big's your collection?

angle posted on 2007-12-05 11:34:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#43. To: angle (#42)
How big's your collection?

geeezzz. Now you embarrass me. I whine, snivel and moan a lot but so far I am not doing well at all.
Somehow most see me as a fraud, must be something I am doing wrong.

Cynicom posted on 2007-12-05 11:37:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#44. To: angle (#42)
To tell you the truth, if my health allowed I would be in New Hampshire for a few days to join the youngsters that are carrying the torch.
MSM keeps saying it is just the young anti war that support Paul, well I aint young.

Cynicom posted on 2007-12-05 11:40:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#45. To: Cynicom (#44)
You support plenty with your energy and comments. A little goes a long way.

angle posted on 2007-12-05 11:44:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#46. To: angle, christine (#45)
A little goes a long way.

I want to be totally honest with you.
I charge Christine 10 cents a post. At the end of the month it comes to a nice amount. I send the due bill to Christine and she in ignores it. One of these days...just maybe...

Cynicom posted on 2007-12-05 11:49:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#47. To: Cynicom (#46)
I charge Christine 10 cents a post. At the end of the month it comes to a nice amount. I send the due bill to Christine and she in ignores it. One of these days...just maybe...

;-)
Join the Ron Paul Revolution
Lod posted on 2007-12-05 12:08:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#48. To: lodwick (#47)
;-)

Sir Lod...
I sent loot to Christine for the New Hampshire ad, next months beer money. I cried a lot, hated to see it go but it is for a good cause.

Cynicom posted on 2007-12-05 12:11:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#49. To: Cynicom, christine, critter, all (#48)
Always a dangerous thing, but I just had a thought from back when I was purchasing advertisements: do we get a 'proof' before we pay and the ad runs? After reading their whacked endorsement of McChurian, I'm not sure that I trust those guys...
No proofie, no payie was the motto, back when.
Join the Ron Paul Revolution
Lod posted on 2007-12-05 12:18:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#50. To: lodwick (#49)
No proofie, no payie

Bill Loeb was an honest man. I dont know who runs the show now but I am satisfied not much has changed.
Below about bills wife, I liked the last sentence.

"She and her late husband, William Loeb, bought the two papers in the 1940s, and her husband was credited with turning them into some of the nation's most conservative. He earned a national reputation for himself and the newspapers with a blunt editorial style and active involvement in presidential primaries and state politics.
The Union Leader is the largest newspaper in the state and the only statewide daily, and the Sunday News is the New Hampshire's largest Sunday paper. Their endorsement in any election -- from mayoral to gubernatorial to presidential -- carried enormous weight. Forbes called Mrs. Loeb "a great conservative, a good friend and a principled ally."
Mrs. Loeb, who also was an heir to the Scripps Howard publishing fortune, took over as publisher after her husband died in 1981. During her 18 years at the helm, she pursued a more subdued, but still forceful approach. During a February visit by President Clinton, she didn't hesitate to publish a front-page editorial with the headline, "Mr. President, you're a disgrace!"

Cynicom posted on 2007-12-05 12:27:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#51. To: christine (#39)
snail rolling your way ; )
Ron Paul/Businessweek

Who are your economic advisers?
I don't have any. I read Austrian economics, which I've been doing for 30 years. So my advisers have been [von] Mises and Hayek and Sennholz.
and...
a first-hand account of the Chaos at SFRA meeting

hammerdown posted on 2007-12-05 13:04:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#52. To: hammerdown (#51)
thank you, T.

christine posted on 2007-12-05 21:38:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#53. To: christine (#52)
Newsweek's interview with Ron Paul 2007.12.05

hammerdown posted on 2007-12-06 0:49:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#54. To: ALL, Gentle Plea (#53)
BTTT :)

christine posted on 2007-12-06 15:10:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#55. To: hammerdown (#53)
Thanks.

Fred Mertz posted on 2007-12-06 15:15:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#56. To: Cynicom (#2)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
ghostdogtxn posted on 2007-12-06 15:16:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#57. To: hammerdown (#53)
No one wants to discuss the foreign policy, war, Constitution, none of that.
Sidetrack the process with dead horses, going nowhere.

Cynicom posted on 2007-12-06 15:21:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#58. To: hammerdown (#53)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
ghostdogtxn posted on 2007-12-06 15:22:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#59. To: christine, Fred Mertz, Cynicom, ghostdogtxn (#54) (Edited)
Ron Paul on Political Chowder - part 1

part 2

Ron Paul in 2009

hammerdown posted on 2007-12-07 1:51:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
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christine posted on 2007-12-07 21:09:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
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christine posted on 2007-12-07 21:09:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
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christine posted on 2007-12-07 21:09:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
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christine posted on 2007-12-07 21:09:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#65. To: WhiteGuy, who knows what evil, WTC7 911Smoking Cannon, WTF?, wudidiz, X-15, Yertle Turtle, zerocool, Zoroaster (#0)

christine posted on 2007-12-07 21:10:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#66. To: christine (#65)
Feeling lonely? Inviting all your friends to a party on this thread?
Change for Ron Paul
Critter posted on 2007-12-07 21:11:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#67. To: christine (#39)
Where do we send the dough?
Change for Ron Paul
Critter posted on 2007-12-07 21:15:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#68. To: Critter, christine (#66)
Feeling lonely? Inviting all your friends to a party on this thread?

My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles, and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
farmfriend posted on 2007-12-07 21:16:05 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#69. To: Critter (#67)
critter..
You best come clean and bust out the big bills. Watch for the mothes.

Cynicom posted on 2007-12-07 21:18:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#70. To: Critter (#66)
was i that obvious? :P

christine posted on 2007-12-07 21:19:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#71. To: Critter (#67)
PM me for details

christine posted on 2007-12-07 21:20:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#72. To: christine (#70)
I read other day something about the other pubs being "disturbed" because groups and individuals were doing their own thing for Paul.

Cynicom posted on 2007-12-07 21:21:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#73. To: Critter (#67)
I already sacrificed a months beer money to donate. I cried when I saw it go.

Cynicom posted on 2007-12-07 21:23:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#74. To: Cynicom (#72)
I read other day something about the other pubs being "disturbed" because groups and individuals were doing their own thing for Paul.

How can the powers that be pick our candidates for us?
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles, and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
farmfriend posted on 2007-12-07 21:26:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#75. To: Cynicom (#73)
My problem is that if I sacrificed a month's worth of beer money, I'd be chipping in about 80 cents. I don't get out often. hehehe
Change for Ron Paul
Critter posted on 2007-12-07 21:28:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#76. To: farmfriend (#74)
Therein lies the main obstacle for Paul. The ruling elite will NEVER allow the masses to elect a President of their own choice. NEVER

Cynicom posted on 2007-12-07 21:28:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#77. To: Cynicom (#76)
I refuse to call them elite. They are just thugs without an excuse, and they also know there are more of us than them.
Go Ron Paul!
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today!
robin posted on 2007-12-07 21:35:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#78. To: robin (#77)
I refuse to call them elite.

Ruling human trash?

Cynicom posted on 2007-12-07 21:37:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#79. To: hammerdown (#53)
Great interview, and HUMBLE.
I remember when 'Widestance' got busted, Mitt was the first to turn the bus around and run over his butt. Mitt, Huckster, Rudy, bring the knives to the fight. Ron Paul, brings the Constitution.
Ain't that a b*tch.

Peppa posted on 2007-12-07 21:38:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#80. To: robin (#77)
Before you were born, olde gentleman told me this about politics.
From milk, cream rises to the top. From swill, scum rises to the top.

Cynicom posted on 2007-12-07 21:40:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#81. To: Cynicom (#80) (Edited)
The swill explains the Bush family very well.
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today!
robin posted on 2007-12-07 21:41:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#82. To: robin (#81)
The swill explains the Bush family very well.

Hey, you left out the Clintons.

Cynicom posted on 2007-12-07 21:43:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#83. To: hammerdown (#59)
Holy moses, this is great.
I hope people are watching these.

First, she, as a 'liberal' gives him the best and kindest introduction I've EVER seen. I have to give credit where credit is due.
Excellent questions, excellent suggestions, superior to ANYTHING, I've seen in the mainstream tv blocks given to RP.
OUtstanding.

Peppa posted on 2007-12-07 21:46:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#84. To: hammerdown (#59)
the 2nd vid is even more powerful than the first. Outstanding. The moderator gets a little flustery, hehehehe, but, Dr. Paul delivers the unwelcome truth.

Peppa posted on 2007-12-07 21:59:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#85. To: hammerdown, Hayek Fan (#59) (Edited)
People mentioned as potential cabinet appointees in the first video (URL's mentioned: politicalchowder.com and propagandaus.blogspot.com.)
Economics — Walter Williams, free-market economist.
Treasury, economics — James Grant, writer for Barron's, Austrian school of economics proponent.
Consumer Protection secretary — John Stossel.
Intelligence — Michael Scheuer (Imperial Hubris).
Intelligence/foreign-policy — Robert Pape, Suicide Terrorism author.

buckeye posted on 2007-12-07 22:25:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#86. To: buckeye (#85)
Slim chance ANY of those are CFR people???

Cynicom posted on 2007-12-07 22:27:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#87. To: Cynicom (#86)
Slim to none, sir.

buckeye posted on 2007-12-07 22:29:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#88. To: buckeye (#87)
Larry Rockefeller and friends would not approve of such.

Cynicom posted on 2007-12-07 22:31:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#89. To: Cynicom (#88)
Ron Paul mentions that he would like to appoint people who aren't "from the Hill." He just gets better and better the more you know him.

buckeye posted on 2007-12-07 22:40:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#90. To: christine (#65)
I'll pm anyone pledging $50 or more a really goofy photo of myself, unless it's one of the two people here I really, really hate. That's right...the ones that have me bozoed.
Cause I've got a horse, out in the country and all, seems unfair to stifle dissent.
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
Dakmar posted on 2007-12-07 22:46:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#91. To: buckeye (#89)
I did note Paul is getting more aggressive in not letting the talking heads cut him off.

Cynicom posted on 2007-12-07 22:51:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#92. To: Dakmar (#90)
call me cathy
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today!
robin posted on 2007-12-07 22:51:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#93. To: Peppa (#83)
First, she, as a 'liberal' gives him the best and kindest introduction I've EVER seen.

there is a following in that camp. after all, he did finish second in a recent democratic straw poll.
; )

hammerdown posted on 2007-12-08 3:08:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#94. To: buckeye (#85)
Thanks for doing the link breakdown, appreciate it.
a couple to fill in the blanks...
John Stossel (ABC page)
Michael Scheuer (Antiwar.com archive)

hammerdown posted on 2007-12-08 3:16:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#95. To: christine (#34)
Not to bash the ad but i didnt like the 'SCARE' deal either. most probably because i have heard identical sentiment from numerous people who support rudy since 'we can't have hillary'. when i ask them why they'd support an abortionist gun-grabbing crossdresser when theyre purportedly conservatives, they say 'BUT WE CANT HAVE HILLARY NOW THAT IS A SCARY THOUGHT!'.
whenever i see a 'NO HILLARY' sticker here it usually accompanies a 'support our troops' yellow ribbon or a dubya sticker.
so, while you're right that the hillary fear factor may sell, i think that that aspect may be largely irrelevant when the race we're in is among only REPUBS. maybe something like , 'who really represents traditional conservatism, and has the record to prove it?' Paul quashes all the other posers. so something along those lines would work.
Great idea for the ad, maybe i can price some such ads here in local papers.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
Artisan posted on 2007-12-08 4:42:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#96. To: Artisan (#95)
while you're right that the hillary fear factor may sell, i think that that aspect may be largely irrelevant when the race we're in is among only REPUBS.

I agree with you.
If a large group of people formed a corporation purposed to produce and market automobiles (like GM), could they then hire gunmen as salespersons to increase their sales? Well that's exactly what governments do.
noone222 posted on 2007-12-08 5:56:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#97. To: hammerdown (#93)
there is a following in that camp.

I wasn't familiar with her show, and wouldv'e never known her political leaning if she hadn't stated it. It was really a great interview. I was impressed with her professionalism that you won't find at the approved media carnivale.
after all, he did finish second in a recent democratic straw poll.
I HAD NOT HEARD THAT! That is fantastic! One to share with the hard core partisans in the address book.
Thanks HammerTime ;)

Peppa posted on 2007-12-08 10:13:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#98. To: Artisan, Critter (#95)
so, while you're right that the hillary fear factor may sell, i think that that aspect may be largely irrelevant when the race we're in is among only REPUBS. maybe something like , 'who really represents traditional conservatism, and has the record to prove it?' Paul quashes all the other posers. so something along those lines would work.

good wording here

christine posted on 2007-12-08 10:16:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#99. To: Artisan, christine (#98)
Doesn't the new one sort of address that?

Change for Ron Paul
Critter posted on 2007-12-08 10:21:21 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#100. To: hammerdown (#59)
I used to loathe Arne Arneson when I lived in New Hampshire, but this was an excellent interview, and I hope it goes viral. Very well done, and it gets under the surface of how Doctor Paul thinks.
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil posted on 2007-12-08 10:49:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#101. To: Critter (#99)
I like that one a lot. His record on guns and being pro life are keys to repubs, too.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
Artisan posted on 2007-12-08 18:49:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#102. To: christine (#0)
Hey Christine. I'm paying bills today. What's the protocal for sending funds for the ad? Personal checks okay? Where do I send it? What do you want on the memo line?

abraxas posted on 2007-12-09 14:39:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#103. To: abraxas (#102)
PM

christine posted on 2007-12-09 14:44:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#104. To: abraxas (#102)
ab...
Christine is out to lunch. When she returns I am sure she will PM you.

Cynicom posted on 2007-12-09 14:45:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#105. To: christine (#103)
There you are. Mooched another free lunch, huh???

Cynicom posted on 2007-12-09 14:45:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#106. To: Cynicom (#105)
no, my friend did. :P

christine posted on 2007-12-09 14:47:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#107. To: christine (#103)
PM

Is this Ping Me? I'm not savvy about how all these forums work. You'll need to draw me a picture so that I can comply. Sorry for being so anal. I've seen PM along the thread, but that's not helping me.

abraxas posted on 2007-12-09 14:58:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#108. To: Christine (#107)
Skip that, I found it in Personal Mail. That's a nice feature, new to me.

abraxas posted on 2007-12-09 15:01:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#109. To: Dakmar (#90) (Edited)
I'll pm anyone pledging $50 or more a really goofy photo of myself, unless it's one of the two people here I really, really hate. That's right...the ones that have me bozoed.

Can I still get the goofy photo if I'm too cheap to send $50?
If I send $100 do I get 2 goofy photos?
How about 25 goofy photos for $1000?
And don't worry, I've got everybody bozoed EXCEPT you, including myself.
Will you send naked goofy photos to the hard-core Republicans?
If I send you a SASE wil you send me a copy of the terms and conditions?
I need some answers ASAP. Especially about the naked thingy.
My hands are always dirty, but my conscience is always clean.
Esso posted on 2007-12-09 15:04:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#110. To: Esso (#109)
Muhahahahahahahaha

Cynicom posted on 2007-12-09 15:18:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#111. To: robin, Dakmar (#92)
call me cathy

No, we are going to call you Herbert. So it is written, so it shall be done. LOL!
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2007-12-09 15:27:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#112. To: buckeye (#85)
Walter Williams

Ive met Williams nor am negative in regard to him.. but from the link.. there was this "Video of Milton Friedman On Limited Government" .. I wonder what Williams thoughts are in regard to Milton Friedman?

Zipporah posted on 2007-12-09 16:00:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#113. To: Zipporah (#112)
Ron Paul admires Friedman (Milton Friedman 1912-2006 by Ron Paul). I think at one level, we have people who think in partisan terms, lumping people together with their ideas. At a higher level, there are only ideas.

buckeye posted on 2007-12-09 16:08:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#114. To: buckeye (#113)
Thats unfortunate.. Friedman was a total asshole..

Zipporah posted on 2007-12-09 18:12:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#115. To: buckeye (#113)

"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."
Itisa1mosttoolate posted on 2007-12-09 18:15:51 ET (2 images) Reply Trace Private Reply
#116. To: Zipporah (#114)
Thats unfortunate.

Do you think his ideas were bad?

buckeye posted on 2007-12-09 18:19:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#117. To: buckeye (#116)
Well yes .. if you consider what role those ideas played in Chile under Pinochet, Friedman's 'guinea pig'..
Heres a short article re Friedman's role
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=11491

Zipporah posted on 2007-12-09 18:32:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#118. To: Zipporah (#117) (Edited)
Ideas are different from actions. Ron Paul's notions of free markets are probably not very different from Milton Friedman's. But I doubt that Ron Paul would have cozied up to a dictator who had been installed with the help of American intervention.
I think we have to decide if we like Ron Paul's ideas about free markets. Have they guided him in the right direction during his life? Has he lived up to his stated ideals, or has he at least done a good job of trying?

buckeye posted on 2007-12-09 20:45:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#119. To: buckeye (#118)
think we have to decide if we like Ron Paul's ideas about free markets. Have they guided him in the right direction during his life? Has he lived up to his stated ideals, or has he at least done a good job of trying?

RP has discussed his positions on Trade. Free Trade. He said, he supported some agreements, and others he did not. He does not support trade where there is no mutal benefit to such agreements. Meaning, if America loses, he does not support it. In the interview I saw, he gave more specifics as to which he did not support.
He believes in Trade, but ONLY where there is mutual benefit.
Seems he might be the only one that truly looks at when it is good for us and when it is not.
Ron Paul Library:
Link to Free Trade Speeches:
www.ronpaullibrary.org/topic.php?id=12

Peppa posted on 2007-12-09 21:25:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#120. To: Peppa (#119)
I don't think he intends to impose any serious trade restrictions. He didn't oppose the Dubai ports deal. He doesn't oppose MFN status for China. He says that NAFTA/CAFTA are wrong because they are "managed" trade, not because they allow free (unfettered) trade.
Ron Paul won't be saving the middle class with "fair" trade. He would work to save the middle class by opening up competition to our fiat currency. That could do more to help than imposing arbitrary fair trade standards.
It remains to be seen.

buckeye posted on 2007-12-09 21:31:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#121. To: buckeye (#120)
It remains to be seen.

True it does.
Managed trade, meaning to me anyway, that there is no mutual benefit.
RP himself says that the trade agreements are to be examined one by one. They are complicated, and I believe they are because of all the hands in the pot. So, do we really know the actual above and below board deals for each of these agreements. I suspect he'd rip them apart, but then, we'll never know if he is not elected.
We should read his positions and go from there. I wonder if there is any YT vid out there that gets into this issue in depth.

Peppa posted on 2007-12-09 21:37:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#122. To: all (#120)
Nite all.

Peppa posted on 2007-12-09 21:38:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#123. To: Peppa (#122)
Nite.

buckeye posted on 2007-12-09 21:40:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#124. To: Zipporah (#117)
Actually, the worst thing I can see about Friedman was that he was the father of employer withholding during WWII.
The U.S. Constitution is no impediment to our form of government.--PJ O'Rourke
DeaconBenjamin posted on 2007-12-09 22:15:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
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