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Title: Reports: Facebook faces $5B FTC fine, largest ever in tech
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Published: Jul 13, 2019
Author: Barbara Ortutay
Post Date: 2019-07-19 17:50:30 by BTP Holdings
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Reports: Facebook faces $5B FTC fine, largest ever in tech

Barbara Ortutay, Ap Technology Writer Updated 4:57 am PDT, Saturday, July 13, 2019

Photo: Tony Avelar, AP

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FILE - In this April 30, 2019, file photo, Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg makes the keynote speech at F8, Facebook's developer conference in San Jose, Calif. A Wall Street Journal report says that the FTC has ... more

At $5 billion, the fine the FTC is about to levy on Facebook is by far the largest it's given to a technology company, easily eclipsing the second largest, $22 million for Google in 2012.

The long-expected punishment, which Facebook is well prepared for, is unlikely to make a dent in the social media giant's deep pockets. But it will also likely saddle the company with additional restrictions and another lengthy stretch of strict scrutiny.

The Wall Street Journal and other news outlets reported Friday that the FTC has voted to fine Facebook for privacy violations and mishandling user data. Most of them cited an unnamed person familiar with the matter.

Facebook and the FTC declined to comment. The 3-2 vote broke along party lines, with Republicans in support and Democrats in opposition to the settlement, according to the reports.

The case now moves to the Justice Department's civil division for review. It's unclear how long the process would take, though it is likely to be approved. A Justice Department spokeswoman declined to comment on the Facebook matter.

For many companies, a $5 billion fine would be crippling. But Facebook is not most companies. It had nearly $56 billion in revenue last year. This year, analysts expect around $69 billion, according to Zacks. As a one-time expense, the company will also be able to exclude the amount from its adjusted earnings results —the profit figure that investors and financial analysts pay attention to.

"This closes a dark chapter and puts it in the rearview mirror with Cambridge Analytica," said Wedbush analyst Daniel Ives. "Investors still had lingering worries that the fine might not be approved. Now, the Street can breathe a little easier."

Facebook has earmarked $3 billion for a potential fine and said in April it was anticipating having to pay up to $5 billion.

But while Wall Street — and likely Facebook executives — may be breathing a little easier, the fine alone has not appeased Facebook critics, including privacy advocates and lawmakers.

"The reported $5 billion penalty is barely a tap on the wrist, not even a slap," said Senator Richard Blumenthal, a Democrat from Connecticut. "Such a financial punishment for a purposeful, blatant illegality is chump change for a company that makes tens of billions of dollars every year."

He and others questioned whether the FTC will force Facebook to make any meaningful changes to how it handles user data. This might include limits on what information it collects on people and how it targets ads to them. It's currently unclear what measures the settlement includes beyond the fine.

Privacy advocates have been calling on the FTC to come down on Facebook for a decade, but over that time the company's money, power and Washington influence has only increased.

"Privacy regulation in the U.S. is broken. While large after-the-fact fines matter, what is much more important is strong, clear rules to protect consumers," said Nuala O'Connor, president and CEO of the Center for Democracy and Technology. The CDT is pushing for federal online privacy legislation.

Some have called on the FTC to hold Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg personally liable for the privacy violations in some way, but based on the party line vote breakdown, experts said this is not likely.

Marc Rotenberg, president of the nonprofit online privacy advocacy group Electronic Privacy Information Center, said he was "confused" as to why the Democratic commissioners didn't support the settlement and said he suspects, without having seen the actual settlement, that this was due to the Zuckerberg liability question.

"But I thought that was misguided," he said, adding that EPIC instead supports more wholesale limits on how Facebook handles user privacy.

Since the Cambridge Analytica debacle erupted more than a year ago and prompted the FTC investigation, Facebook has vowed to do a better job corralling its users' data. That scandal revealed that a data mining firm affiliated with President Donald Trump's 2016 campaign improperly accessed private information from as many as 87 million Facebook users through a quiz app. At issue was whether Facebook violated a 2011 settlement with the FTC over user privacy.

Other leaky controls have also since come to light. Facebook acknowledged giving big tech companies like Amazon and Yahoo extensive access to users' personal data, in effect exempting them from its usual privacy rules. And it collected call and text logs from phones running Google's Android system in 2015.

Wall Street appeared unfazed at the prospect of the fine. Facebook's shares closed at $204.87 on Friday and added 24 cents after hours. The stock is up more than 50 percent since the beginning of the year. In fact, Facebook's market value has increased by $64 billion since its April earnings report when it announced how much it was expecting to be fined.

Rep. David Cicilline, a Democrat from Rhode Island, said in a statement that the fine gives Facebook "a Christmas present five months early. It's very disappointing that such an enormously powerful company that engaged in such serious misconduct is getting a slap on the wrist. This fine is a fraction of Facebook's annual revenue."

Cicilline leads the House Judiciary subcommittee on antitrust, which is pursuing a bipartisan investigation of the big tech companies' market dominance.

The fine, however, doesn't spell the end of Facebook's troubles. The company faces a slew of other investigations, both in the U.S. and overseas, that could carry their own fines and, more importantly possible limits to its data collection. This includes nearly a dozen by the Irish Data Protection Commissioner, which oversees privacy regulation in the European Union.


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Zuckerborg has really stepped in it this time. And he will have to pay the piper.

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#1. To: BTP Holdings (#0)

Zuckerborg has really stepped in it this time. And he will have to pay the piper.

Zuckerberg could pay that amount out of his personal holdings and still sleep well that night.

As for the rest of us, $5B comes to about $15 for every man, woman and child in the country, including illegals.

Where do I get my check?

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-07-19   22:27:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Pinguinite (#1)

Zuckerberg could pay that amount out of his personal holdings and still sleep well that night.

It was not Zuck personally that was fined. It was his company, Facebook. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2019-07-19   22:39:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: BTP Holdings (#2) (Edited)

It was not Zuck personally that was fined. It was his company, Facebook. ;)

Understood. I was just pointing out how minimal the damage was to him and/or FB.

Of course, if FB does do the libra crypto, he'll be vying to compete with central banks. FB then, after taking over Amazon, becomes a one stop shop for absolutely everything a person could ever be, want or need. It becomes the Matrix.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-07-20   5:43:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Pinguinite (#3)

It's extremely alarming. Will it do to local banks what Walmart did to downtown shops?

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NeoconsNailed  posted on  2019-07-20   6:16:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: BTP Holdings (#2)

The article is sickening. 5b isn't even 1/10 of what Farcebook made last year! And will this be DC's only mode of punishment for this para-government entity's crimes against millions of citizens -- "Pay us a bunch of money and you're good to go"?

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NeoconsNailed  posted on  2019-07-20   6:21:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: NeoconsNailed (#5)

The article is sickening. 5b isn't even 1/10 of what Farcebook made last year! And will this be DC's only mode of punishment for this para-government entity's crimes against millions of citizens -- "Pay us a bunch of money and you're good to go"?

My point was: Where does the money go? So they violated the privacy of millions of Americans. Does the fine go to the Americans that were injured? Of ocures not. It goes to the government even though the gov wasn't injured.

It's a racket. Corps break the law. Citizenry is ripped off. The gov jumps on the corp crying foul. Corps pay it to the gov. Citizens get nothing. Lather rinse, repeat.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-07-20   6:46:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: NeoconsNailed (#4)

It's extremely alarming. Will it do to local banks what Walmart did to downtown shops?

I think crypto (aka bitcoin) can do to all banks of all sizes, though generally the larger ones, what the internet did to Blockbuster.

Crypto has not matured though. Transactions are not as fast as credit card transactions are. In fact they are much slower. The decentralized nature of bitcoin is part of the reason why. CC's are all centrally managed so they are faster.

But technology evolves and the market is the driving force behind it and it is strong.

FB's Libra, however, is not a free market crypto like bitcoin is. Being an FB product, it will be FB controlled, and it will have all the regulations and restrictions that we are used to. I expect it will be paypal on steroids. Paypal may be the most threatened by Libra. The services will be similar.

I suspect what Libra will do is get people acclimated to crypto money and in so doing, be a gateway for the masses to go into Bitcoin.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-07-20   6:55:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Pinguinite (#7)

Thanks, Ping. What would be a good crypto to get into at present?

And do you foresee FB playing all manner of Paypal-like games against users e.g. "Your political content is not in keeping with Farcebook's standards. Your membership has been permanently closed and your Libra funds confiscated - - see user agreement paragraph 16".

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NeoconsNailed  posted on  2019-07-20   7:03:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Pinguinite (#6)

I was amen-ing your entire point ;-)

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NeoconsNailed  posted on  2019-07-20   7:04:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: NeoconsNailed (#8)

Thanks, Ping. What would be a good crypto to get into at present?

Bitcoin is king, so if there's only one crypto someone will get into, that's it.

Other than that, I'd stick with what I call the "major alt" coins. There are in fact many hundreds of crypto currencies in existence, but most are new, unheard of and though very cheap per coin, could die at any time. They've no history, etc, etc. I stay away from them. Generally, the major alt coins are Ethereum, Litecoin, Bitcoin Cash, and a couple of others.

It is important to learn some things about crypto, namely how it generally works and how to keep your crypto safe. I've even given a few presentations about it in my local area. Generally speaking, your "wallet" in which you have crypto is actually a key to a safe and not really a wallet. So you need to keep that key safe. You can copy it and even memorize it. There are many wallet providers that have wallets with various strengths and weaknesses. You do need to ensure you use a wallet that is trusted and reputable. I recommend getting an old laptop, put linux on it, and using a linux wallet of some kind, and using that old laptop ONLY for crypto stuff. Don't use windows, and don't put your wallet on a computer that you use for watching movies, playing games and all that. I know a few stories about how people have lost crypto due to hacking so you do need to be careful, unless you just want to buy bitcoin and hold it for 5 years and do nothing else with it.

But crypto can be very profitable, especially if it continues to grow in value similar to what bitcoin has done over the last 10 years.

And do you foresee FB playing all manner of Paypal-like games against users e.g. "Your political content is not in keeping with Farcebook's standards. Your membership has been permanently closed and your Libra funds confiscated - - see user agreement paragraph 16".

To answer that question, you need only look at the reaction to FB's libra in D.C. Immediate calls for delays and hearings while they summoned Zuckerborg to testify as to how it will work. And yes, FB has stated the contradiction that they hope that libra will allow the unbanked (the 1-3 billion people in the world without a bank account) to be banked. But at the same time, they will require gov ID and all the KYC stuff and employ all the standard protections from money laundering and potential terrorist activity. In other words, it'll be just like paypal, up to and including freezing funds if they suspect you are up to no good or might be using Libra to fund an anti-vax movement or whatever.

Of course Congress didn't call for hearings about bitcoin, and the reason is obvious: There's no one to call to testify. Bitcoin is decentralized so no one is in charge and no one can halt production. And therein lies the key to crypto's beauty. It can't be centrally controlled.

But it seems the prospect of Libra moving forward is pushing bitcoin prices higher.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-07-20   8:04:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Pinguinite (#10)

Thanks for all that, Ping. What I've been hearing for some time (including here, surely) is that BC's greatly swollen fees per transaction make it prohibitively expensive to use?

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2019-07-20   12:31:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: NeoconsNailed (#11)

Thanks for all that, Ping. What I've been hearing for some time (including here, surely) is that BC's greatly swollen fees per transaction make it prohibitively expensive to use?

tinyurl.com/yxndebh

Yes, that is a problem for bitcoin. "Bitcoin Cash" is a "clone" or "fork" of Bitcoin, and that happened in part because some in the Bitcoin development wanted to bring down the fees. They made changes to the bitcoin code and launched it, and those code changes have meant much cheaper fees.

The change is that the block in the blockchain are 8x bigger. But critics of bitcoin cash claim, however, that the bigger blocks make bitcoin cash more difficult to continue and will ultimately hurt bitcoin cash for other reasons.

Proponents are not impressed with those criticisms becaues they believe the larger blocks can be absorbed with larger data storage that will likely be available as time goes on.

So there is speculation that factors in.

In order to make it to the goal of being an effective currency, the costs do have to drop down. Bitcoin's current fees are not feasible for buying a loaf of bread. Bitcoin cash is.

Late last year Bitcoin Cash also forked due to further disagreements, and that new fork became known as Bitcoin Cash Satoshi's Vision or "BSV" as the call sign goes.

That is the nature of a "free market" crypto currency.

So there is progress to be made on several fronts and it is speculation how things will pan out.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-07-20   15:50:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Pinguinite (#12)

How are the others' fees -- Litecoin, Ethereum etc?

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NeoconsNailed  posted on  2019-07-24   8:23:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: NeoconsNailed (#13)

How are the others' fees -- Litecoin, Ethereum etc?

Almost zero.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-07-24   8:31:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Pinguinite (#14)

That was fast!

Do those types have any drawbacks? Thanks for all this info!

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NeoconsNailed  posted on  2019-07-24   8:35:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: NeoconsNailed (#15)

Do those types have any drawbacks? Thanks for all this info!

The risk is in changing popularity. That's why I only recommend and deal with what I call the "major alt" coins such as litecoin, Bitcoin cash and Ethereum.

You asked about fees. By way of example, I sent a litecoin transaction in May. The cost was less than 0.000002 lite coin, which at $100 per coin (about current prices) is under 0.02 cents. That's 1/50th of a penny.

I have seen bitcoin charges of $4-$13. That was at least one of the driving forces for the split or fork of bitcoin into bitcoin cash. Technical changes in the setup for BCH meant that costs dropped dramatically. Still, many feel that the change came at a different cost, namely the size of each block on the blockchain is 8x bigger, and that making it bigger would hamper growth in the long run.

Of course the other side of the coin, so to speak, is incentive for miners to mine. If transactions are too low then it removes the incentive for miners to mine the coin and if mining drops off, then the coin is worthless. So there is a need for balance and the lowest fees are not always best overall.

Of course one metric for the power of a monetary system is how many transactions per second can be supported globally. With Visa & mastercard, it's in teh 10's of thousands or maybe hundreds of thousands. With Bitcoin it is just dozens. Something of that scale. Of course credit cards have been around since the 70's so have had a lot of time to mature, and are centrally controlled as well which makes it much easier to do that. So there's a lot of growth required for crypto. But... technology is always growing and it seems inevitable that these obsticles will be overcome.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-07-24   16:03:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Pinguinite (#16)

Fascinating -- thanks thanks thanks. So it's not true that BC's fees got to the point of canceling its usefulness?

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NeoconsNailed  posted on  2019-07-24   21:47:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: NeoconsNailed (#17)

Fascinating -- thanks thanks thanks. So it's not true that BC's fees got to the point of canceling its usefulness?

Eventually it will cancel it's usefulness as a money, that's for sure, unless it's rectified. As an investment or f or large and infrequent transactions, those costs are tolerable.

In the future, at whatever point the utility value for a given crypto starts to be good enough for it to be used to buy an ice cream cone without hesitation, I think Bitcoin will be forced to do something to drop fees OR it will be surpassed by a competing crypto, and pretty much all the competing alt cryptos have already solved that particular problem. But for the moment, Bitcoin is king. And as crypto does not have intrinsic value, the market price is based on speculation and social confidence, so that's really all that separates bitcoin from the other major alts.

"Market Cap" is the way of measuring the popularity and confidence in a crypto. It's simply multiplying the USD price of a crypyto coin by the number of coins in existence, and comparing that value to other cryptos. By that measure, Bitcoin is bigger than all other cypto currencies combined holding about 60% of the market share. I think that's because the alts are considered more speculative, with much less time in existence. Bitcoin is 10 years old. The other majors are 2-4 years old. So Bitcoin is considered more conservative a bet.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-07-24   22:33:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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