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Title: The bump stock ban is just days away. What will owners do?
Source: AP/Yahoo
URL Source: https://www.yahoo.com/news/bump-sto ... ays-away-owners-170502765.html
Published: Mar 21, 2019
Author: LISA MARIE PANE,Associated Press
Post Date: 2019-03-21 22:25:27 by Dakmar
Keywords: None
Views: 747
Comments: 31

BOISE, Idaho (AP) — David Lunsford is an avid gun owner with a firing range on his Texas spread. With bump stocks about to be banned by the U.S. government, he grudgingly decided to sell off his and let someone else figure out what to do with them.

"If I get caught with one, I'm a felon, and it seems like to me that's entrapment in the biggest way. I bought that thing legally with my hard-earned money," said the 60-year-old Lunsford, who has at one time owned six AR-15 rifles that he built from kits, as well as a World War II German submachine gun.

The bump stock — the attachment used by the killer during the 2017 Las Vegas massacre to make his weapons fire rapidly like machine guns — will become illegal on Tuesday in the only major gun restriction imposed by the federal government in the past few years, a period that has seen massacres in places like Las Vegas; Thousand Oaks, California; Sutherland Springs, Texas; and Orlando and Parkland, Florida.

Unlike with the decade-long assault weapons ban, the government isn't allowing existing owners to keep their bump stocks. They must be destroyed or turned over to authorities. And the government isn't offering any compensation for the devices, which can cost hundreds of dollars. Violators can face up to 10 years in prison and thousands of dollars in fines.

Lunsford bought three bump stocks over the years and wanted to recoup at least some of the money he shelled out, but it bothers him that he and others have been put in this position.

"I've never committed a crime with it, and just because of that one killer up in Las Vegas that used one that killed a bunch of people, they're going to make people pay for it," he said.

But Shannon Watts, the founder of Moms Demand Action, said: "It was because of bump stocks that the gunman in Las Vegas was able to kill 58 people from a hotel window. ... It just goes to show the incredible lethality and dangers of these accessories."

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#1. To: Dakmar (#0)

Molon Melvins!

Ron Paul and his legions of spam monkeys ain’t gonna win shinola. - Jim Robinson - (comment #1)

Flintlock  posted on  2019-03-21   23:03:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Dakmar (#0)

Out of an estimated 1.2 million registered guns, New Zealand police report that as of Tuesday night, 37 firearms have been surrendered nationwide, according to BuzzFeed.

www.zerohedge.com/news/20...s-guess-how-many-actually

When the Connecticut "law" requiring gun registration went into effect, very few showed up to do so.

Most Americans will give the Trump Hogg Bros the finger, and keep their bump stocks IMO.

Hogg Bros... Take the Guns

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hondo68  posted on  2019-03-21   23:15:13 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Dakmar (#0)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

"Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." -- Thomas Jefferson

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2019-03-22   0:54:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Dakmar, shooters, 4 (#0)

Bump-stocks are/were a novelty-item at best. They made accuracy of shot placement a dream at best, and an impossibility the rest of the time. I decided to just buy more ammo instead.

(And yes, this article is beyond pathetic fact-wise.)

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2019-03-22   7:24:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Dakmar (#0)

Unlike with the decade-long assault weapons ban, the government isn't allowing existing owners to keep their bump stocks. They must be destroyed or turned over to authorities. And the government isn't offering any compensation for the devices, which can cost hundreds of dollars. Violators can face up to 10 years in prison and thousands of dollars in fines.

While *I* consider bump stocks to be THE perfect fashion accessory for closet commandos and wouldn't have one if you gave it to me,there is no way in hell the government can take away your personal property without paying you for it.

But Shannon Watts, the founder of Moms Demand Action, said: "It was because of bump stocks that the gunman in Las Vegas was able to kill 58 people from a hotel window. ... It just goes to show the incredible lethality and dangers of these accessories."

Given that the bozo had a clear field of fire on literally hundreds of people packed tightly enough to have been sardines in a can and he ONLY killed 58 people shows you how useless they are. Truth to tell,the government should be encouraging nutcases to buy them in order to save lives.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2019-03-22   8:10:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Lod (#4)

Bump-stocks are/were a novelty-item at best. They made accuracy of shot placement a dream at best, and an impossibility the rest of the time. I decided to just buy more ammo instead.

Thank you! This is so freaking obvious I will never understand why everyone can't understand that.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2019-03-22   8:12:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Dakmar (#0)

The bump stock — the attachment used by the killer during the 2017 Las Vegas massacre to make his weapons fire rapidly like machine guns — will become illegal on Tuesday in the only major gun restriction imposed by the federal government in the past few years,


Americans have the right to bear arms that are capable of repelling attacks by advancing militarized groups and without having to be a sniper expert to do it. That right does not depend on anyone's opinion of fearmongering "crime show" actions and it is not downgradable by Anti-Constitutionalists in Congress who have no right to impose their foriegn-system(s) form of government here. Repeal this illegal legislation now as the most cost-effective way to correct the matter before taxpayer court costs accrue.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2019-03-22   10:41:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: GreyLmist, ban guns, amnesty Don Trump, Bill of Love, *Constitution Party* (#7) (Edited)

Repeal this illegal legislation now as the most cost-effective way to correct the matter before taxpayer court costs accrue.

The Bump Stock Ban is NOT legislation, it's an administrative edict.

Obama said it would be illegal to ban bumpstocks. Trump says it's legal, and he banned them.

Proud to say that I didn't vote for the gun grabbing, amnesty loving NYC libtard, Trump.

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hondo68  posted on  2019-03-22   14:02:47 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: hondo68 (#8)

Proud to say that I didn't vote for the gun grabbing, amnesty loving NYC libtard, Trump.

Did you vote for Hitlery again hondope?

Fred Mertz  posted on  2019-03-22   14:07:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Fred Mertz (#9)

Did you vote for Hitlery again hondope?

We all know that you voted for Gay Johnson!

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hondo68  posted on  2019-03-22   14:18:25 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: hondo68 (#8)

The Bump Stock Ban is NOT legislation, it's an administrative edict.

Obama said it would be illegal to ban bumpstocks. Trump says it's legal, and he banned them.

Proud to say that I didn't vote for the gun grabbing, amnesty loving NYC libtard, Trump.


Administrative edicts by Presidents can't make something illegal. They aren't legislators. Also, Presidents aren't required to have Law degrees, so I'm recommending Ron Paul as a Cabinet-level Constitutional Law consultant and advisor for President Trump. Whoever he spoke with but didn't advise against that bump stock issuance ought to be ousted.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2019-03-22   15:04:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: GreyLmist (#11)

Good luck with ousting his daughter and son-in-law.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2019-03-22   15:10:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: hondo68 (#8)

Proud to say that I didn't vote for the gun grabbing, amnesty loving

And neither did a majority of voters who voted for Hildabeast. Have you been on Hillary's Facebook page at all? I was and at the time they were all bemoaning the fact that she lost the election. I told them, "I can't believe you all voted for the sickly and corrupt Hillary." Needless to say I ingratiated myself immediately. They got on me pretty hard since they were all in denial. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2019-03-22   17:12:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: BTP Holdings, Fred Mertz (#13) (Edited)

Have you been on Hillary's Facebook page at all?

NO WAY!

I didn't vote for Hillary either, you Trumpcucks.

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hondo68  posted on  2019-03-22   17:17:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: GreyLmist (#11) (Edited)

Administrative edicts by Presidents can't make something illegal.

In case you have not realized something about the U.S. Justice System, all crimes are administrative in nature unless they are specifically criminal. This is why parking tickets can get you in a heap of trouble, especially if you happen to be a scofflaw and have several dozen of them.

I had some lawyer send me a notice about a parking ticket that was over 20 years old. I wrote him back and told him I was not planning on returning to Chicago and he could stick that ticket where the sun don't shine. They are so desperate for cash there they are dredging up 20 year old parking tickets. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2019-03-22   17:43:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: hondo68 (#14)

NO WAY!

I didn't vote for Hillary either

I saw the Constitution Party banner on your post. So I am no dummy. I got on Hillary's page just to have good laugh at them, and I sure as hell did. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2019-03-22   17:47:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Dakmar (#0)

a World War II German submachine gun.

MP-40 ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2019-03-22   19:21:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: sneakypete (#5)

While *I* consider bump stocks to be While *I* consider bump stocks to be THE perfect fashion accessory for closet commandos and wouldn't have one if you gave it to me,

gee wiz pete is not a telescopic sight THE perfect fashion accessory for closet snipers? next you know pete they will outlaw playing cards coming in contact with your bike spokes, how will you get around then?


I used to be in a hurry, then I figured out I was just getting nowhere fast.

IRTorqued  posted on  2019-03-22   20:50:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: sneakypete (#5)

While *I* consider bump stocks to be THE perfect fashion accessory for closet commandos and wouldn't have one if you gave it to me,

gee wiz pete is not a telescopic sight THE perfect fashion accessory for closet snipers? next you know pete they will outlaw playing cards coming in contact with your bike spokes, how will you get around then?


I used to be in a hurry, then I figured out I was just getting nowhere fast.

IRTorqued  posted on  2019-03-22   20:54:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: BTP Holdings (#16)

I got on Hillary's page just to have good laugh at them, and I sure as hell did. ;)

and your donnie has not locked her yet.


I used to be in a hurry, then I figured out I was just getting nowhere fast.

IRTorqued  posted on  2019-03-22   21:04:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: IRTorqued (#18)

gee wiz pete is not a telescopic sight THE perfect fashion accessory for closet snipers?

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hondo68  posted on  2019-03-22   22:12:54 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Lod, 4 (#12) (Edited)

Good luck with ousting his daughter and son-in-law.


Web search result: the new ATF ban ... the rule, signed by Acting U.S. Attorney General Matthew Whitaker


This issue has reminded me of a gas pump sticker I read many years ago that said something like: "It is illegal to dispense gasoline into unapproved containers by order of" a Marshall. I thought, "What? They aren't legislators," but this video claims in the first segments to 1:32 that bureaucrats are manufacturing their "rules and regulations" as if laws, or words to that effect:

[Asset Forfeiture "rule"] Bump Stock Ban: Everything You Need to Know - YouTube, 11 minutes

Published on Dec 19, 2018

I discuss everything you need to know to understand the bump stock ban and what you need to do to fight it (hint: don't destroy or give up your guns ...

Notes:

0:47 Bureaucrats/ATF gov-employee manufactured law signed by [Acting] Attorney General - not Congress and President

7:30 - government employees making laws

7:52 - asset forfeiture

9:39 - government employees making laws

From the comments:

[Bump Stocks] do NOT [turn semi-auto into full auto]. Even the ATF says that they do not. They ruled that way...twice. You can shoot almost as quickly with your finger. Watch the Miculek video on it. Should we ban beltloops and rubber bands as well? Completely abolishing the NFA and the ATF for that matter should be the main goal. But giving [an alphabet] agency the power to make law, [is] unconstitutional, ... Not only that but the rule they just released can be more broadly interpreted to ban semi-autos all together. Read through the full rule and it should scare the h*ll out of you."

"Gunowners of America, Firearms Policy Coalition/Foundation, Second Amendment Foundation. Three very active groups that are involved in the fight for the 2nd Amendment"

"The NRA has always been controlled opposition. They'd be happy to leave us with nothing but BB-guns, while foreigners are given machine guns by the CIA and FBI and told that white people deserve to die for all the world's problems."


Edited: Not a law that's been passed by Congress - [a pretense of law/"color of law"] made [wrongfully] by bureaucrats/ATF and signed by the [Acting U.S.] Attorney General [Matthew Whitaker]

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2019-03-23   21:15:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: GreyLmist (#22)

Excellent! thank you.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2019-03-23   21:46:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Dakmar (#0)

Folks who want them will just keep them. Or make one.

“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

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X-15  posted on  2019-03-23   22:18:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: hondo68 (#21)

same guy/gal with a million LEDs on their stereo?


I used to be in a hurry, then I figured out I was just getting nowhere fast.

IRTorqued  posted on  2019-03-23   22:23:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: GreyLmist (#22)

"Not a law that's been passsed by Congress - made by bureaucrats/ATF and signed by the Attorney General"

signed by the "AG" or one as the "acting AG"? with the drain the swamp trump the only thing one can be sure of is if donnie hires them they are from the swamp


I used to be in a hurry, then I figured out I was just getting nowhere fast.

IRTorqued  posted on  2019-03-23   22:37:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: IRTorqued (#26) (Edited)

"Not a law that's been passsed by Congress - made by bureaucrats/ATF and signed by the Attorney General"

signed by the "AG" or one as the "acting AG"? with the drain the swamp trump the only thing one can be sure of is if donnie hires them they are from the swamp


Edited: Not a law that's been passed by Congress - [a pretense of law/"color of law"] made [wrongfully] by bureaucrats/ATF and signed by the [Acting U.S.] Attorney General [Matthew Whitaker]

Sorry for the confusion about that. I don't know which of his swampy advisors convinced him that he needed an ok by the Speaker of the House to address Congress on the State of the Union but Article II, Sec 3 of the Constitution doesn't say any such thing at all.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2019-03-24   0:29:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Lod, 4 (#23)

You're welcome, Lod. :)

Archiving re: 2A ...


Journalists, Politicians Refuse to Post Lawn Sign saying "HOME IS PROUDLY GUN FREE" - YouTube, 10.5 minutes

Published on Jan 15, 2013 by Project Veritas [projectveritas.com]

Since these reporters and editors did not consider it a violation of the privacy and safety of others to reveal which homes have guns and which homes don't, we went to see which of them would be willing to put a sign up publicly declaring their homes to be gun-free zones. While we didn't find any members of the media with the strength of their convictions, we did find quite a few guns, and some good explanations for why they might be necessary..... Guns for Me, but not for Thee.

[@ 5:18, "The issue is never gonna be guns. What the issue is, is that you've got to get them back down to one bullet magazines."]


Cross-referencing 4um Ref. re: 2A.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2019-03-24   5:52:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: IRTorqued (#18)

gee wiz pete is not a telescopic sight THE perfect fashion accessory for closet snipers?

On AR designs,pretty much. Everybody wanting to look trendy.

Frankly,I am surprised military issue carbines don't come with a bottle opener and a compass these days.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2019-03-24   17:42:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: hondo68 (#21)

Ahhhh,THE perfect fashion accessory for the fully-equipped closet commando! More bells and whistles than a marching band.

Thank you for posting it.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2019-03-24   17:44:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: sneakypete (#29)

Frankly,I am surprised military issue carbines don't come with a bottle opener and a compass these days.

that would require contracting with Switzerland. deluxe model comes with tooth-pick and tweezers.


I used to be in a hurry, then I figured out I was just getting nowhere fast.

IRTorqued  posted on  2019-03-24   18:53:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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