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Title: Statement by Israels' Founder Ben Gurion - Just To Make Things Real Clear
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Published: Jan 23, 2009
Author: BG
Post Date: 2009-01-23 09:34:20 by tom007
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"If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" David Ben-Gurion: Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.

"Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves ... politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves... The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country. ... Behind the terrorism [by the Arabs] is a movement, which though primitive is not devoid of idealism and self sacrifice." -- David Ben Gurion. Quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky's Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan's "Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech.

"We must do everything to insure they (the Palestinians) never do return.” David Ben-Gurion, in his diary, 18 July 1948, quoted in Michael Bar Zohar's Ben-Gurion: the Armed Prophet, Prentice-Hall, 1967, p. 157.

Ben Gurion also warned in 1948: Assuring his fellow Zionists that Palestinians will never come back to their homes: “The old will die and the young will forget."

"We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai." David Ben-Gurion May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, a Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.

"If I knew that it was possible to save all the children of Germany by transporting them to England, and only half by transferring them to the Land of Israel, I would choose the latter, for before us lies not only the numbers of these children but the historical reckoning of the people of Israel." Ben-Gurion (Quoted on pp 855-56 in Shabtai Teveth's Ben-Gurion in a slightly different translation).

"It's not a matter of maintaining the status quo. We have to create a dynamic state, oriented towards expansion." --Ben Gurion

"Every school child knows that there is no such thing in history as a final arrangement -- not with regard to the regime, not with regard to borders, and not with regard to international agreements." -- Ben Gurion, War Diaries, 12/03/1947 following Israel's "acceptance" of the U.N. Partition of 11/29/1947 (Simha Flapan, "Birth of Israel," p.13)

"We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population? ‘Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said ' Drive them out! ' " Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.

Partition: "after the formation of a large army in the wake of the establishment of the state, we will abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine " -- Ben Gurion, p.22 "The Birth of Israel, 1987" Simha Flapan.

"The acceptance of partition does not commit us to renounce Transjordan. One does not demand from anybody to give up his vision. We shall accept a state in the boundaries fixed today -- but the boundaries of Zionist aspirations are the concerns of the Jewish people and no external factor will be able to limit them." P. 53, "The Birth of Israel, 1987" Simha Flapan

October, 1936, during the Jewish Agency Executive meeting Ben-Gurion arguing in favor of transfer as a policy, he said “We are not a state and Britain will not do it for us…” although “there is nothing wrong in the idea.”

“If it was permissible to move an Arab from the Galilee to Judea, why it is impossible to move an Arab from Hebron to Transjordan, which is much closer? There are vast expanses of land there and we are over crowded….Even the High Commission agrees to a transfer to Transjordan if we equip the peasants with land and money. If the Peel Commission and the London Government accept, we’ll remove the land problem from the agenda.”

The Arabs, Ben-Gurion claimed, would not become landless as a result of Zionist land acquisition; they would be transferred to Transjordan.

October 29, 1936 the 21 member of the Jewish Agency Executive endorsed the proposal of a transfer of displaced Arab farmers to Transjordan. Only two of the four non-Zionist members opted to dissent. Flapan, Zionism and the Palestinians, citing protocols of the Executive meeting, p. 261

12 July 1937, Ben-Gurion entered in his diary: “The compulsory transfer of the Arabs from the valleys of the proposed Jewish state could give us something which we never had, even when we stood on our own feet during the days of the First and Second Temple” – a Galilee free from Arab population.

Ben-Gurion went so far to write: “We must prepare ourselves to carry out” the transfer [emphasis in original]

27 July 1937, Ben-Gurion wrote in a letter to his 16 year old son Amos: “We have never wanted to dispossess the Arabs [but] because Britain is giving them part of the country which had been promised to us, it is fair that the Arabs in our state be transferred to the Arab portion”

5 October 1937, Ben-Gurion wrote in a letter to his 16 year old son Amos: “We must expel the Arabs and take their places…. And, if we have to use force-not to dispossess the Arabs of the Negev and Transjordan, but to guarantee our own right to settle in those places- then we have force at our disposal.”

“It is very possible that the Arabs of the neighboring countries will come to their aid against us. But our strength will exceed theirs. Not only because we will be better organized and equipped, but because behind us there stands a still larger force, superior in quantity and quality …the whole younger generation of Jews from Europe and America.” Ben-Gurion, Zichronot [Memoirs], Vol. 4, p.297-299, p. 330-331. See also Teveth, Ben-Gurion and the Palestinian Arabs, p. 182-189

Ben-Gurion in an address to the central committee of the Histadrut on 30 December 1947: “In the area allocated to the Jewish State there are not more than 520,000 Jews and about 350,000 non-Jews, mostly Arabs. Together with the Jews of Jerusalem, the total population of the Jewish State at the time of its establishment will be about a million, including almost 40 percent non-Jews. Such a [population] composition does not provide a stable basis for a Jewish State. This [demographic] fact must be viewed in all its clarity and acuteness. With such a [population] composition, there cannot even be absolute certainty that control will remain in the hands of the Jewish majority…. There can be no stable and strong Jewish State so long as it has a Jewish majority of only 60 percent.”

On the 6th of February 1948, during a Mapai Party Council, Ben-Gurion responded to a remark from a member of the audience that “we have no land there” [in the hills and mountains west of Jerusalem] by saying: “The war will give us the land. The concepts of “ours” and “not ours” are peace concepts, only, and in war they lose their whole meaning” (Ben-Gurion, War Diary, Vol. 1, entry dated 6 February 1948. p.211)

Posted by: David Ben Gurion | Jan 22, 2009 3:14:13 PM

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#1. To: tom007 (#0)

60 years of turmoil, torture, murder and genocide haven't moved the situation one inch closer to a solution because the Jews are interlopers. No, the situation has moved in another direction that threatens the entirety of the world.

Death to Israel.

noone222  posted on  2009-01-23   10:03:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: noone222 (#1)

Jews are interlopers.

The archeological record says something much different.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-01-23   10:13:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Old Friend (#2)

The archeological record says something much different.

Explain the record to all of us and please include references that can be researched.

If DNA was to be done on all of the European Jews that immigrated to Palestine, it would not match the indigenous people of the area, however it would match the indigenous people of the countries that they came from.

You can not say that the Whites in South Africa are indigenous no matter how long they were in power.

What I see is that there is a much different God in the old testament then the one is the new testament, and my question is why the change? Did God change or did the writers? The writers of the old testament were Jews, and as we can see they are a very angry, vicious, putrid, blood thirsty peoples, so it doesn’t surprise me that the old testament has many references that Palestine belongs to them at any cost.

Even today they spew there propaganda to reflect there own truth and disregard what is plan to see by all God loving people that haven’t been poisoned by there LIES.

mag4paul  posted on  2009-01-23   16:14:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: mag4paul (#5)

What I see is that there is a much different God in the old testament then the one is the new testament,

No sense talking to you about it. If you can't understand bible 101.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-01-23   18:50:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Old Friend (#6)

No sense talking to you about it. If you can't understand bible 101.

OH PLEASE, ALL SEEING AND KNOWING ONE TELL ME!!!!!!

mag4paul  posted on  2009-01-23   22:00:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#8. To: mag4paul (#7)

OH PLEASE, ALL SEEING AND KNOWING ONE TELL ME!!!!!!

Flatter me all you want. Your not worth the time.

What are your other screen names?

Old Friend  posted on  2009-01-25 15:45:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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