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Title: Freemasons: THEIR GOD IS THE DEVIL [History of Catholic Opposition to Freemasonry]
Source: http://vimeo.com/2694248
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Published: Jan 2, 2009
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Post Date: 2009-01-02 01:26:48 by Artisan
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Keywords: freemasons, skull & bones, bohemian grove
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A factual summary of the Roman Catholic Church's traditional as well as current opposition to freemasonry. Also, some info about what John F. Kennedy had to say about secret societies, as well as what several of the founding fathers had to say against masonry.


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#1. To: Artisan (#0)

Anyone with an Intelligence Quotient above retard understands that a variety of measures are acted out on the world stage at the direction of the international elites, many of which are likely unknown to the general public.

These elitists scum employ the hegelian dialectic of creating a problem that demands a reaction in order to implement THEIR solution. One important element that is incorporated by these elitists to further their agenda is the strategy of divide and conquer.

In addressing this post I only want to say that we should always judge the tree by its fruit. We're too far into a complete police state to continue bickering about the Masons, Jews and Jesuit involvement in orchestrating the end of our freedoms, when it is all of them. I would suggest that we grow up and stop accepting fraud or fiction as a way of life and denounce all forms of secret societies, which besides the Masons would include the Jesuit order and the so- called Jews that never assimilate and remain aloof in order to orchestrate police states through their financial and administrative superiority all in collusion with each other. [See Benjamin Ginsberg FATAL EMBRACE The Jews and the STATE].

While we are all becoming aware of things at different times some may be more aware than others. This is not a reason to make egotistic claims of superior intelligence but an opportunity to pull all of our heads from between our butt cheeks and stop this shit before our children are absolutely imprisoned in a jail without bars.

I plead with everyone willing to listen to find ways to unite, gather strength and make public demands that escalating surveillance and military-police presence be terminated.

Everyone of the groups being discussed in this post are full of wonderful people that act as a shield for the leadership that are vile and disgusting creatures from the pit of hell itself. Our only hope in truth is to gather strength through educating others so that our presence is felt whenever necessary whether in peace or at war for our liberty.

Please agree to disagree if you must ... but respectfully join all freedom lovers and try to understand that in order to have a discussion relative to our opinions we must be free to do so.

They call it the AMERIKAN DREAM because you have to be asleep (and you are) to believe it !

noone222  posted on  2009-01-02   3:27:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: noone222, Artisan, all (#1)

Ephesians 6:12


"It is like a trance. So what can break a trance? The only thing that can break the trance is the light of truth."
~ Canadian Philosopher John McMurtry as he comments on the psychological warfare that has afflicted us all

wudidiz  posted on  2009-01-02   3:49:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: wudidiz (#2)

yes, very appropriate, throughout all time I am sure.


Ephesians 6:12 For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood; but against principalities and powers, against the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places.

www.newadvent.org/bible/eph006. htm

Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2009-01-02   4:00:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: noone222 (#1)

Not sure your position on Catholicism- I see some people who claim the Catholics are the ones behind the 'new world order'.. this is a completely unsubstanciated claim, hogwash i say. Not from a blindly emotional defense, but from lack of factual proof and the sheer absurdity of the claims.

Regardless of weather one is Catholic or not,.. It is the largest and oldest Christian church on Earth (yeah, some might try to counter that too...) and this is their teaching regarding freemasonry. This was simply a vid outlining the historical record of which many people either have never heard of or thought the teaching of the Church had changed on this topic.

and as I've said before here i'm not interested in bickering the minutia of protestantism vs Catholicism or having a Martin Luther flame war. I think a religious forum is more appropriate for that, but to each their own.

Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2009-01-02   4:07:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: noone222 (#1)

Oh PLEASE...the Jesuits?

Have you ever been to a Jesuit ordination or to a Jesuit College?

It is now time for Atlas to shrug.

mirage  posted on  2009-01-02   4:40:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Artisan (#4)

Not sure your position on Catholicism- I see some people who claim the Catholics are the ones behind the 'new world order'.. this is a completely unsubstanciated claim, hogwash i say. Not from a blindly emotional defense, but from lack of factual proof and the sheer absurdity of the claims.

I don't want to argue about this subject. See the Inquisitions and the torture imposed upon the world by the papacy. See how many nations have expelled the Jesuits, then read their blood oaths that are identical to those of the masonic illuminists. See Opus Dei or read the charters rendered by the Pope to establish legal authority for Christian sailors to murder any savages they ran into while exploring the world. See how the Vatican assisted in transporting the nazis out of Germany at the end of the war having previously signed a concordant (contract) with Hitler. Visit the Vatican Archives and see the pictures that adorn the walls that portray all of the kings of Europe paying tribute to the Pope, donating their land, paying "Peter's Pence". Read Martin Luther's thesis on the Roman Church selling absolutions (salvation). Why does the church ignore the admonitions against usury in the Bible ? (Vatican Bank). Also: See Vatican Banker Roberto Colvi hung on Black Friars (masonic murder) Bridge.

I was baptized and raised Catholic. I was an altar boy, and learned the latin mass. I WANTED TO BELIEVE IN CATHOLICISM. I was never personally harmed by the Catholic Church so I have no axe to grind.

The Popes title is Pontificus Maximus (Pontif) and that means "World Ruler". World leaders kiss his ring. Sheer absurdity ??? I think not.

No organization created by men is beyond corruption. The Catholic Church has been a corruption from its inception.

They call it the AMERIKAN DREAM because you have to be asleep (and you are) to believe it !

noone222  posted on  2009-01-02   4:52:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: mirage (#5) (Edited)

www.brebeuf.org/

I nearly attended Breabeuf Prepatory College ... don't be a goof just because you may be catholic. You've been had just like everyone else. The evil doers hide behind a variety of cloaking devices such as fraternal organizations or churches. Priests have a history of murder from the beginning of time ... who do you think convinced the masses to sacrifice their children to the 'gods" ??? It was priests !

They call it the AMERIKAN DREAM because you have to be asleep (and you are) to believe it !

noone222  posted on  2009-01-02   4:57:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: noone222 (#7)

Uh-huh. So, now you're saying that the Jesuits perform human sacrifice....and that every pastor on the planet is an evil-doer.

Paint with a broad-enough brush, do we?

FWIW, I went to a Jesuit University. I even got the sheepskin from it. Oddly enough, they had us study Islam and Hinduism there and encouraged critical thinking.

Would a group of people bent on taking over the world educate people to look beyond the veil?

No, they would indoctrinate people to be "in line".

You really need to learn more about the people you claim are conspiring to ruin the world.

It is now time for Atlas to shrug.

mirage  posted on  2009-01-02   5:17:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: noone222, mirage (#7) (Edited)

have ya'll ever read about the ALTA VENDITA? Two Popes, Pius IX and Leo XIII had it published in it's entirety.

I read this booklet many years ago; the author gave a very interesting speech, the transcript of which I think is an even better that his book. it's not too long. By the way, the author who is the editor of CFN, recently published a lengthy front page story on the bilderbergers.

Freemasonry and the Subversion of the Catholic Church

www .catholicintl.com/epol...cles/pastoral/masonry.htm

by John Vennari Editor, Catholic Family News Transcript of a Speech given at the Fatima Peace Conference in Rome, October, 2001

Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2009-01-02   5:26:10 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: mirage (#8)

thanks.

Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2009-01-02   5:27:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: mirage (#8) (Edited)

human sacrifice ....and that every pastor on the planet is an evil-doer.

Paint with a broad-enough brush, do we?

This is typical of the contortions assholes like you go through to prevent truth seekers from reaching their goals. I didn't make an all inclusive statement about Catholics, Jesuits or human sacrifice.

Nor did you address the many instances of evil I mentioned that were the actions of the papacy.

I know that all secret societies, including the Jesuits have methods for sifting through the volume of participants to extract the ones that will serve their purposes. They have profile testing and initiations to assist them in choosing their minions.

Like I said, I don't want to argue about this subject. No one gets a pass, not the Jesuits, not that Illuminists nor the Jews.

They call it the AMERIKAN DREAM because you have to be asleep (and you are) to believe it !

noone222  posted on  2009-01-02   5:39:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: noone222 (#11)

If they are a secret society, how come you know about them?

Actually, when you think about it, why does anyone know about these "secret societies" if they are so secret? Why do they have buildings with their names on them? Why is it you can find them on the street and know immediately who and what they are if they are so 'secret'?

Think about that for a moment while you go seeking 'truth'. While you're at it, learn something about the people you are tarring with your broad brush.

It is now time for Atlas to shrug.

mirage  posted on  2009-01-02   6:00:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: mirage (#12) (Edited)

If they are a secret society, how come you know about them?

"They" are usually a secret society within a secret society. The lower grade participants shield them from detection and are usually innocent other than the protection they afford the "evil ones".

Actually, when you think about it, why does anyone know about these "secret societies" if they are so secret?

Ask Kennedy how he knew about them ? And try not to be such an argumentative baboon ... it's unbecoming such a distinguished graduate of a Jesuit College.

They call it the AMERIKAN DREAM because you have to be asleep (and you are) to believe it !

noone222  posted on  2009-01-02   6:41:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Artisan (#0)

Amusing. People blame their problems on things that don't exist or have no power -- Illuminati, Masons, etc., but the real Satan worshippers are your average Evangelicals who thinks God is going to destroy most of the world through war and diease so Jesus can come back.

Have pug, will laugh.

Turtle  posted on  2009-01-02   6:44:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Turtle (#14)

You don't believe that there are secret societies with members literally involved with satanism, and that they control the usa?

Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2009-01-02   8:19:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Artisan (#0)

The catholic religion does things contrary to Jesus's teachings.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-01-02   8:20:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Old Friend (#16)

The catholic religion does things contrary to Jesus's teachings.

Amen ! Most religions do and of them all Catholicism is Chief. Christianity itself has suffered a paganistic make-over, and the artist was the Roman Church.

They call it the AMERIKAN DREAM because you have to be asleep (and you are) to believe it !

noone222  posted on  2009-01-02   8:49:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Turtle (#14)

People blame their problems on things that don't exist or have no power

No Turtle, that's exactly what your position is ... you are saying that these entities don't exist yet you cannot deny the conditions do. To say that these conditions, such as the constant encroachments upon our freedom, the increasing police state and the destruction of the monetary system are happening by chance is as ridiculous as you are ... go play with your pug.

They call it the AMERIKAN DREAM because you have to be asleep (and you are) to believe it !

noone222  posted on  2009-01-02   9:20:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Old Friend, noone222 (#16)

There's some good articles at Lew Rockwell about the Chruch, including this book.

How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization
by Thomas E. Woods, Jr.

www.lewrockwell.com/woods/w oods40.html

Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2009-01-02   9:37:11 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: mirage (#8)

FWIW, I went to a Jesuit University. I even got the sheepskin from it. Oddly enough, they had us study Islam and Hinduism there and encouraged critical thinking.

Would a group of people bent on taking over the world educate people to look beyond the veil?

How the Vatican CREATED Islam. [note the Judeo-Masonic pyramid and obelisk as well.]

"By Deception Thou Shalt Do War"/Hegelian Dialectic/Divide and Conquer.

reformation.org/vatican-and-islam.html

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2009-01-02   10:57:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Artisan (#19)

Henry VII, crowned Emperor in Rome (1312) by Pope Clement V (1305-1314) confirms the donations of his predecessors to the Holy See

He who forgets or ignores history is doomed to repeat it, again and again. You can quote me on the again and again part.

Doug Scheidt

Having not read this particular book I have no problem admitting that the Roman Empire designed and assisted with great impact the building of the west. The State we call Mary-land was named for the godess they worship in ignorance, and the Capitol Building itself arrogantly displays all of the ROMAN gods without a hint of the baby Jesus' existence. The Capitol is complete with the Fasces and topped off with the Roman goddess of war. The U.S. is the battering ram of fascism.

Let's not assume that power always demands destruction or avails itself to unnecessary and open criticism. The U.S. was set up to be the engine and driving force for the absolute expansion leading to total world domination, by some authority yet unnamed, but obviously NOT THE UNITED STATES.

Remaining in the background is the M.O. of real power. Warren Buffet and Bill Gates are often described as the world's richest men ... this is bullshit for the bullshit consuming public, of which you must be a part. The old money that rules kingdoms isn't mentioned.

The Roman Church is a very large player in the scheme of world events. World (puppets) leaders kiss the Popes ring on a regular basis whether socialists, communists or capitalists.

How this empire has beaten, brutalized and murdered society in its methodical and unmerciful attainment of international power is more properly the question to be addressed. How the various participants divide that power remains to be seen, but you can bet your ass the Pope will be vying for the cat bird seat if he doesn't already own it.

They call it the AMERIKAN DREAM because you have to be asleep (and you are) to believe it !

noone222  posted on  2009-01-02   11:18:13 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Artisan (#0)

[good grief, this is taking a long time to get this post out...my computer is really dragging and trying to crash.]

My daughter and I were out driving New Year's eve, and the George Washington Masonic Temple was all lit up on the skyline. I remarked what a creepy place it was, and how much I hated it, and she said a good friend of hers was probably inside as we spoke, playing the bells for his Catholic church! George Washington was not only a freemason, bur reportedly a closet papist, and not only that, had a close business relationship with a Jewish Rothschild agent:

"....The King James Masonic Bible lists George Washington as a Mason. He was initiated into Masonry in 1752.(5) He took his first degrees in the lodge of Fredericksburg, Virginia on November 4, 1752. He was then passed on March 3, 1753 and raised in August 4, 1753 to Master Mason. George Washington visited a British military Lodge under a flag of truce and received a degree in it (probably the Mark degreee).(6) On April 28, 1788, George Washington became Worshipful Master of Alexandria Lodge No. 22 and was re-elected on December 20, 1788. He was the only Brother to be president of the U.S. and Worshipful Master of his Lodge at the same time.(7) Old Juba, Washington's trusted slave, used to row a priest across the Potomac to visit him and "Marse George made the sign of the Cross befo' he eat." The tale of the skeleton in the family closet was the conversion of George to "Papistry." Bishop Carroll made the statement that Washington died as did Emperor Valentinia who was received into the Church before his death.(8)

When George Washington badly needed financial help to pay his soldiers, the international bankers loaned him funds contingent upon appointing Alexander Hamilton as the first Secretary of the Treasury. Hamilton was all English at heart. He was an expert in British banking methods and was trained in the inner sanctum of international banking.(9) A retired Harvard professor once told students in his Oklahoma high school class that Hamilton and Washington agreed to a central bank if the war was ended.(10)

I have a Congressional Research Report that says as a fact that the first U.S. Bank was mostly foreign owned. On Yom Kippur Eve, 1779, Washington's soldiers, unpaid for months, were at a point of mutiny before a battle: "At last a desperate Washington sent a messenger on horseback through the night to Philadelphia with instructions to obtain, from Haym Salomon, a loan of $400,000, an enormous sum in those days, to pay and provision his troops. The messenger found Salomon in the synagogue, and a hasty whispered conference took place. Salomon rose and quickly moved about the synagogue, collecting certain friends. A small group left together, and that night the money was raised. Did Haym Salomon himself contribute $240,000 of the money? So the legend, perpetuated in many accounts, insists."(11)

Jonathan Williams (1750-1815), a dedicated American patriot, wrote in his now rare book, Legions of Satan (1781), that Cornwallis revealed to Washington that "a holy war will now begin on America, and when it is ended America will be supposedly the citadel of freedom, but her millions will unknowingly be loyal subjects to the Crown." Lord Lothian, the British Ambassador to Washington, once called George Washington the founder of the modern British Empire.(12) This is the very same Lord Lothian honored by the 1939 Pilgrims banquet! ...."

watch.pair.com/pilgrim.html

[Cornwallis also revealed that America's churches would be used to teach the Jews' religion.]

George sometimes attended an Episcopal [Catholic-lite] church in Alexandria. Looking at some old pictures of the church, I noticed the candelabras looked suspiciously like menorahs.

Please see this very related link :

George Washington's Lasting Gift to Generations of Jews.

www.csmonitor.com/2004/0915/p12s01-lire.html

Note the pic of the inside of this synagogue.

I've been inside George's "Christ" Church a few times, and was a little startled to see the similarities to the synagogue. I'm trying to find some pics for you.

Here's one.

news.webshots.com/album/347404947XmTMzp

more here:

www.pbase.com/steveyaphot...copal_alexandria_virginia

George and Laura visited Christ Church December 21:

www.historicchristchurch.org/News/NewsItem1.aspx

George W. is a relative of George Washington, and they are both related to the British Monarchy.

It appears to me the Catholic church and the Episcopal Church [the National Cathedral, by the way has a huge buttress donated by Eli Lily, and a tower seen in the early morning light stands out like horns on the devil] are just extensions of the synagogue.

It's not just the Catholic church....probably all churches are infected with Judeo-Freemasonry. The Baptist church is a good example. They have a VERY high percentage of parishioners with one foot in the church and one in the lodge. The one I sometimes attend displays the fecundating cross and crown.....similar to the one on this page under "The Royal Lines of Zarah and Pharez Judah....and under "Jesus Christ":

www.asis.com/users/stag/royalty.html

This is, again, "British Israelism", which fulfills the prophecy Cornwallis made to George Washinton....our churches are being used to teach the Jews' religion, and we are working for that "divine government" the Judeo-British Empire.

To wrap it up, here's the Pope endorsing the Judeo-Masonic ANTI-Christian, Noahide Laws, which declare Mary a whore, Jesus a false prophet boiling in semen and excrement in hell, and Christians idolators who must be beheaded:

www.realjewnews.com/?p=193

I'm with noone. There are great people in all the religions, half of my own family is Catholic, and the goal for the NWO is to divide us into factions in order to more easily conquer us. I think we need to expose the lies and deceptions where they occur, for the gospel's sake, but at the same time, work together to defeat those who seek to defeat us.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2009-01-02   12:19:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: All (#22)

George and Laura visited Christ Church December 21:

Looks like it was in the daytime. He probably lit the menorah inside the White House later that night.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2009-01-02   12:24:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: noone222, mirage, Artisan (#11)

This is typical of the contortions assholes like you go through to prevent truth seekers from reaching their goals. I didn't make an all inclusive statement about Catholics, Jesuits or human sacrifice.

......and that might be too bad. What do we hear or know about the Knight's of Columbus? Do they have secret oaths and such, false worshipping etc.? Did you know that there was a pope who was seates on the papal throne as a result of murder?

Then we have all those pedophile priests that the catholic church covered up and protected for decades. I believe they all (organizations) have many secrets that are perverse and unholy. As a former 32 degree mason, and having attended Gannon University(catholic university, Erie, PA) and taken the required theology courses, I speak with some knowledge on this mstter.

LACUMO  posted on  2009-01-02   13:07:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: LACUMO, All (#24)

I dont like this catholic vs protestant perpetual war. They are both antichrist. They both have people that have done horrible things to other people, in the name of God no less. It's all apostate babylon and people need to leave it, IMO.

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-01-02   13:19:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: PSUSA, All (#25)

have people that have done horrible things to other people

Bingo...

Too much time and money is spent, claiming this group or that group are the reason for this or that.. Just as they who are evil, want to be done.. EVERY EVIL ACTION HAPPENS, BECAUSE A MAN OR WOMAN MADE IT HAPPEN..

If we spend all our time blaming "groups", we miss the real target... The PERSON who acted in an evil manner..

Refinersfire  posted on  2009-01-02   15:51:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Artisan, mirage, noone222 (#0) (Edited)

The questions I came up with while reading all this were:

How many television networks do the Jesuit/Freemasons run, that we know of?

How many newspapers, not counting those that are clearly identified as being news of interest to papist/shriner types?

How many members of the Federal Reserve Board could even fit in one of those silly little cars?

How many publishing companies are Jesuit run?

How many professors have been denied tenure at non-Catholic Universities by pressure from, uh, non-Catholics?

The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer

Dakmar  posted on  2009-01-02   21:54:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#22)

Bishop Carroll made the statement that Washington died as did Emperor Valentinia who was received into the Church before his death.(8)

I read somewhere that the Carroll's donated the land where the White House sits ... but it's not in this article. Catholic Founding Fathers - The Carroll Family CHARLES CARROLL CARTER

George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, James Madison, Patrick Henry, Benjamin Franklin. Nearly every schoolchild recognizes them as the Founding Fathers. But there were a great many more Founding Fathers, even if their names are not so familiar as the above. Several of those lesser-known men who played key roles in the creation of the United States of America were Catholics. George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, James Madison, Patrick Henry, Benjamin Franklin. Nearly every schoolchild recognizes them as the Founding Fathers — signers of the Declaration of Independence, framers of the Constitution, heroes of the Revolutionary War.

There were a great many more Founding Fathers, however, even if their names are not so familiar as the above. Several of those lesser-known men who played key roles in the creation of the United States of America were Catholics. Chief among them were three members of the Carroll family of Maryland: Charles Carroll, the only Catholic signer of the Declaration of Independence; his cousin Daniel Carroll; and Daniel Carroll's brother John Carroll, who became America's first Catholic bishop.

Charles Carroll of Carrollton (1737-1832) was the most illustrious and best- known of the Carrolls. He was the only signer whose property — Carrollton — was mentioned in the Declaration of Independence. Carrollton was the 10,000-acre estate in Frederick County, Maryland, that Charles Carroll's father had given him on his return to America from his education in Europe.

At the time he signed the Declaration, it was against the law for a Catholic to hold public office or to vote. Although Maryland was founded by and for Catholics in 1634, in 1649 and, later, in 1689 after the Glorious Revolution placed severe restrictions on Catholics in England, the laws were changed in Maryland, and Catholicism was repressed.

Catholics could no longer hold office, exercise the franchise, educate their children in their faith, or worship in public. With the Declaration of Independence, all this bias and restriction ended. Charles Carroll first became known in colonial politics through his defense of freedom of conscience and his belief that the power to govern derived from the consent of the governed. He was a staunch supporter of Washington, and when the war was going badly at Valley Forge, he was instrumental in persuading the Revolution's Board of War not to replace Washington with General Horatio Gates. Carroll supported the war with his own private funds; he was widely regarded as the wealthiest of all the colonists, with the most to lose were the fight for independence to fail. Carroll was greatly acclaimed in later life, and he outlived all the other signers of the Declaration.

Daniel Carroll of Rock Creek (1730-1796) was a member of the Continental Congress (1781-1783), and a signer of the Articles of Confederation. He was a delegate to the Constitutional Convention and one of only two Catholic signers of the United States Constitution. (The other Catholic signer was Thomas Fitzsimons of Pennsylvania.) At the Constitutional Convention, Daniel Carroll played an essential role in formulating the limitation of the powers of the federal government. He was the author of the presumption — enshrined in the Constitution — that powers not specifically delegated to the federal government were reserved to the states or to the people.

Daniel Carroll later became a member of the first United States Congress (1789- 1791). He was also a member of the first Senate of Maryland, where he served up to the time of his death. He was appointed by Washington as one of the first three commissioners of the new federal city that is now known as the District of Columbia. In today's terminology, he would have been considered the mayor of Washington, D.C.

John Carroll (1735-1815), Daniel Carroll's younger brother, was educated in Europe, joined the Jesuit order, and was ordained a priest. He founded a private school for boys and named it after the town where it was located, Georgetown, a port on the Potomac River that later became part of Washington, D.C. He went on to be elected — by all the Catholic priests in America — to become America's first Catholic bishop. He later became archbishop of Baltimore. In any procession of American bishops, the archbishop of Baltimore always goes last in recognition of its role as America's oldest diocese. In 1789, John Carroll founded the college in Georgetown that later became known as Georgetown University.

During a period when the Revolutionary War was going badly, Washington asked John Carroll to join a mission to Canada to seek the support of the French for the colonies. Benjamin Franklin, Samuel Chase, and Charles Carroll of Carrollton were the others on the four-man mission. While it failed, it established a relationship with the French, much influenced by the Catholic faith they held in common with the Carrolls. It bore fruit years later at Yorktown, where the largely Catholic-financed French fleet cut off supplies to British general Charles Cornwallis, and Washington was able to force Cornwallis to surrender and bring the war to an end.

John Carroll was an intimate of Washington. He wrote a prayer at the time of Washington's inauguration asking God's blessing on the president, Congress, and government of the United States — a prayer still very much in use today. Out of gratitude for John Carroll's support during the war, Washington gave a modified version of the seal of the United States to the institution that is now Georgetown University, and that seal is still in use.

Despite their enormous contributions to the American founding, the three Carrolls somehow fell below the radar screen of recognition as full-fledged founding fathers. Perhaps that was because they were Catholics in a country and a culture that for many years was overwhelmingly Protestant.

ACKNOWLEDGEMENT

Charles Carroll Carter. "Catholic Founding Fathers — The Carroll Family." Crisis 19, no. 3 (March 2001): 32-33.

This article is reprinted with permission from the Morley Institute, a non- profit education organization. To subscribe to Crisis magazine call 1-800-852- 9962.

THE AUTHOR

Charles Carroll Carter is on the board of trustees of the Charles Carroll House of Annapolis, Maryland, the birthplace of Charles Carroll of Carrollton. He is a direct descendant of Daniel Carroll of Rock Creek.

Copyright © 2001

They call it the AMERIKAN DREAM because you have to be asleep (and you are) to believe it !

noone222  posted on  2009-01-03   10:41:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: PSUSA (#25)

I dont like this catholic vs protestant perpetual war. They are both antichrist. They both have people that have done horrible things to other people, in the name of God no less. It's all apostate babylon and people need to leave it, IMO.

Where are they to go, in your opinion?

randge  posted on  2009-01-03   11:07:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: randge (#29)

Where are they to go, in your opinion?

To quote Clint Eastwood in High Plains Drifter, "Out.".

John 6:12

They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh , that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.

Leave voluntarily or get kicked out. I know for a fact that they'd kick me out because I know what questions to ask to make that preacher very uncomfortable.

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Nehemiah 4:14 And I looked and arose and said to the nobles and to the officials and to the rest of the people, “Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your homes.”

PSUSA  posted on  2009-01-03   11:38:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: PSUSA (#30)

What are some questions that you would ask the good pastor?

randge  posted on  2009-01-03   11:40:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: randge (#31)

I can start a separate thread.

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Nehemiah 4:14 And I looked and arose and said to the nobles and to the officials and to the rest of the people, “Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your homes.”

PSUSA  posted on  2009-01-03   12:06:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: PSUSA (#32)

I would read it with great interest.

randge  posted on  2009-01-03   12:08:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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