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Title: Chuck Baldwin Defeats Alan Keyes for Constitution Party Nomination
Source: The LRC Blog
URL Source: http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/020719.html
Published: Apr 26, 2008
Author: Eric A. Garris
Post Date: 2008-04-26 14:33:38 by James Deffenbach
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Chuck Baldwin Defeats Alan Keyes for Constitution Party Nomination Posted by Eric A. Garris at April 26, 2008 10:11 AM

The Constitution Party just overwhelmingly defeated the warmongering neocon Alan Keyes by nominating Chuck Baldwin, 383 to 125.

Last night, CP founder Howard Phillips strongly denounced Keyes as a warmonger, neocon, and egomanic. Phillips was subsequently attacked by Jim Clymer, the CP national chairman.

In spite of Keyes bringing in a lot of delegates, the CP remained true to their anti-interventionist views and rejected Keyes.

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#18. To: James Deffenbach (#16)

"They just rejected the most qualified man to be president," said Tom Hoefling of Lohrville, Iowa, Keyes' national political director. "Chuck Baldwin will have no impact on this election whatsoever."


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FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   15:12:07 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#19. To: FOH (#16)

Good news. I go back to one, Michael New, and Keyes saying he'd jail him for refusing to take orders from a UN military commander. Add that Bill Kristol was his roommate at Harvard and he's NTBT (not to be trusted).

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-26   15:13:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#20. To: James Deffenbach (#12)

Chuck is a great guy and knows the Constitution.

I'd love to see Baldwin and Charles Carlson on the ballot, although Ron Paul is closer to my own worldview. I also think Paul Craig Roberts would make a wonderful POTUS.

And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot

Dakmar  posted on  2008-04-26   15:14:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#21. To: Jethro Tull (#19)

Keyes always made me extremely uncomfortable. He's not conservative, he's a fanatic.

And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot

Dakmar  posted on  2008-04-26   15:15:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#22. To: James Deffenbach (#17)

Chuck Baldwin Wins Constitution Party Nomination Posted on 04.26.08 by Austin Cassidy @ 5:28 pm

Pastor Chuck Baldwin, and former 2004 VP candidate, won the Constitution Party’s nomination for Presidential today. He defeated former Ambassador Alan Keyes by a margin of 384 to 126 delegates.

This is not much of a surprise, considering that Howard Phillips, the founder of the Constitution Party, gave a speech to the convention yesterday blasting Keyes as a political opportunist.

Keyes seems like the kind of guy who doesn’t take losing very well. It wouldn’t surprise me if we now see him try and form his own party, run as an independent, or go after another nomination - maybe from the nearly-defunct Reform Party.

No word yet on who the Constitution Party will nominate for Vice-President.


Filed under: Alan Keyes and Campaign 2008 and Third Parties

Keyes won't be supporting the nominee of his new Party, lay a dozen to 1 on it.

He's an opportunist with a bunch of smaller leeches sucking off of he himself...


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FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   15:15:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#23. To: FOH (#16)

"We will stop the international meddling...this international empire-building," Baldwin said.

Yay!!!

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-26   15:17:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#24. To: Jethro Tull (#19)

Good news. I go back to one, Michael New, and Keyes saying he'd jail him for refusing to take orders from a UN military commander. Add that Bill Kristol was his roommate at Harvard and he's NTBT (not to be trusted).

Maybe Ron will be his VP.../dream sequence


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FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   15:18:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#25. To: Dakmar (#21)

He's not conservative, he's a fanatic.

More than that, he's a sheer opportunist with bad associations...


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FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   15:20:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#26. To: , *Chuck Baldwin President 2008* (#25)

Best candidate willing to run in November!


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FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   15:20:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#27. To: FOH (#25)

More than that, he's a sheer opportunist with bad associations...

Agreed, he seems a little too fox for my henhouse.

And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot

Dakmar  posted on  2008-04-26   15:21:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#28. To: FOH (#26)

At last, a NON-Haggieite.

"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2008-04-26   15:22:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#29. To: Dakmar (#20)

I also think Paul Craig Roberts would make a wonderful POTUS.

Ooooooo...Baldwin/Roberts? The mind boggles...

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who knows what evil  posted on  2008-04-26   15:23:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#30. To: FOH (#26)

Best candidate willing to run in November!

At this stage anyway. If Ron Paul decides to buck the GOP I'd vote for him, but since that doesn't appear emminant I'll back Baldwin.

And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot

Dakmar  posted on  2008-04-26   15:24:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#31. To: who knows what evil (#3)

Election Year Fantasy #2: Presidential debate between Baldwin, Barr, McCain, and either Obama/Clinton...oh, man.

Right now that's all it is. they found a way around having to debate Pat Buchanan when he was the reform Party nominee. I do however, hope that Pastor Chuck Baldwin gets in any debate. I lothe any of the PTB candidates. Keep your fingers crossed.

LACUMO  posted on  2008-04-26   15:24:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#32. To: who knows what evil (#3)

Election Year Fantasy #2: Presidential debate between Baldwin, Barr, McCain, and either Obama/Clinton...oh, man.

Love to see it, but I'm guessing he would not be invited. :(

But while keeping to the same mantra — “I have no plan, no intention to do so” — Paul is also not completely slamming the door shut on a third-party run. And, perhaps more worrisome for Republicans should they have a tight race with the eventual Democratic nominee, he’s also not ruling out supporting a third-party candidate.

Asked what he would do if his supporters approached him this fall and asked him whom to support, Paul replied, “I’ll respond when I think I should — when we know where the ducks are lining up.”

“It’s a little bit early for that. Who are the candidates going to be? Not only on top of the two parties, but who will be the bottom four or five?”

As it stands now, Paul said: “If I had to make that decision, I don’t think I’d be very enthusiastic about anybody.”

And anyway, Paul and his much-reduced campaign — it has gone from 150 employees at its peak to about 15 staffers now — have turned their focus from November to September, and namely the Republican National Convention.

“We believe that we’re going to carry about 50 pledged delegates" to the convention in St. Paul, said Paul spokesman Jesse Benton. “A lot of people are technically pledged to other candidates but are going to be there and letting everybody know that they support Ron Paul.”

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-26   15:25:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#33. To: who knows what evil (#29)

Ooooooo...Baldwin/Roberts? The mind boggles...

Quicker than you can say Flight 007.

And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot

Dakmar  posted on  2008-04-26   15:25:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#34. To: All (#26)

Two days of handshaking and hobnobbing at his party's national convention have given Fruitport's "Mad Max" Riekse a lesson in political reality.

On Thursday, as he arrived in Kansas City, he said his singular goal was to become the presidential nominee of the Constitution Party.

By Friday, he had moderated his goal, acknowledging that the presidential nod would probably go to nationally-renowned political activist Alan Keyes or national talk radio host Chuck Baldwin.

Riekse said he would settle for the second spot on the ticket.

"You have to be flexible in politics," Riekse, 60, said Friday. "Baldwin and Keyes are going nose to nose. My name will be put up for nomination for president (at the convention), I will make a speech, and that will set me up for vice president."

Riekse -- a former high school teacher, assistant college professor and retired member of the Army National Guard and Army Reserve -- has unsuccessfully sought many offices over the years, including state Senate, state board of education, Muskegon County board of commissioners and Fruitport school board.

His only electoral success came when he won two terms on the Fruitport Township Parks Commission.

Once a Republican, Riekse jumped to the Constitution Party, which was established in 1992 as a remnant of the former U.S. Taxpayers Party.

A mostly conservative group, the party describes itself on its Web site as "completely pro-life, pro-gun, pro-American sovereignty, anti-globalist, anti-free trade, anti-deindustrialization and anti-unchecked immigration."

The party also condemns overseas "military interventionalism," opposing the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Riekse has been making a low-key but dedicated run for the party's presidential nomination for months. Most of his campaign has been limited to mailing out brochures under his political pseudonym -- "Mad Max" Riekse -- and tending to his campaign Web site.

He did make one short campaign trip to California, then surprised some observers by gaining more than 10,000 votes in that state's Constitution Party presidential primary. He finished a close third behind two home-state candidates.

This week, Riekse took his campaign on the road again, flying by himself to the party's national convention at the downtown Marriott in Kansas City, Mo.

He spent his first afternoon shaking hands and handing brochures to delegates, and said he received a positive response. He also sought the signatures of three state party chairmen, which is required for a candidate to address the convention.

He had the necessary signatures by afternoon, and had made up his mind about his goal for the weekend.

"Success is my being the nominee of the Constitution Party," Riekse told The Chronicle in a telephone interview. "Nothing short of that."

A quick check with Mary Starrett, spokeswoman for the party, revealed that Riekse's goal was a bit lofty.

"Max is a solid member of the Constitution Party, and we value his contribution to the party," Starrett said. "At this point, we're guessing that delegates are split between Dr. Alan Keyes and Pastor Chuck Baldwin."

By Friday morning, Riekse was inclined to agree with Starrett, and found himself rooting for Baldwin over the better-known Keyes, who left the Republican Party just weeks ago and has been courted by the Constitution Party ever since.

"He just joined the party in the last few days, and he's already making demands," Riekse said. "He wants us to denounce our anti-war policies.

"First of all, I don't think the guy ever served a day in uniform. I will always reject neo-con wars fought for the wealthy elite. It blows my mind that he could make a demand like that."

Riekse said he wanted to get to know Keyes better, so he went to his room at the hotel. After three tries, he said he got a private audience with Keyes and started discussing illegal immigration.

He said Keyes was animated when addressing the issue, but was a very poor listener.

"He's so full of himself," Riekse said of Keyes. "I introduced myself, but I don't think he remembered who I was. It was very disappointing. He never came down to the floor all day. He was holding court in his room.

"I look for Chuck Baldwin to be the nominee. People here don't want to be hijacked by Alan Keyes and the Republicans."

Riekse hoped to begin his vice presidential bid with a speech to the convention Friday afternoon. While he had no prepared text, he said he would remind delegates that they need a common man, with everyday experiences, on the presidential ticket.

Balloting for president and vice president was to take place today.

"I'm going to tell them they need a person on the ticket who can relate to the average person, who understands what it's like to have to work several jobs to make ends meet," Riekse said. "I'm going to tell them they need somebody like me, who's been in the trenches."

Riekse said his ballot name, "Mad Max," will also be a selling point.

"Nobody knows we exist," he said. "We need a handle like 'Mad Max' to get their attention."

Third-party hopeful: I'm vice presidential material

By Friday morning, Riekse was inclined to agree with Starrett, and found himself rooting for Baldwin over the better-known Keyes, who left the Republican Party just weeks ago and has been courted by the Constitution Party ever since.

"He [Alan Keyes] just joined the party in the last few days, and he's already making demands," Riekse said. "He wants us to denounce our anti-war policies.

"First of all, I don't think the guy ever served a day in uniform. I will always reject neo-con wars fought for the wealthy elite. It blows my mind that he could make a demand like that."

Riekse said he wanted to get to know Keyes better, so he went to his room at the hotel. After three tries, he said he got a private audience with Keyes and started discussing illegal immigration.

He said Keyes was animated when addressing the issue, but was a very poor listener.

I can't beleive Keyes almost snuck into and destroyed the CP...wait, yes I can.


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FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   15:28:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#35. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#28)

Now, Ron Paul supporters have a REAL choice.

A Constitutionalist that has never voted for the Patriot Act, War Funding, Domestic Terrorism Act, MCA, NDAA...THIS IS A GREAT DAY!

We need to organize NOW and get the CP nominee on as many State ballots as possible.


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FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   15:30:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#36. To: FOH (#34)

Good info.

Fruitport Township

Add another pushpin to the map!

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-26   15:34:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#37. To: Peppa (#32)

I will be SUPREMELY surprised if Ron Paul endorses Barr over Baldwin...of course, not much surprises me anymore, so strike that.

We could see Paul endorse McAsshole before this is over I suppose.


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FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   15:35:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#38. To: Dakmar (#30)

At this stage anyway. If Ron Paul decides to buck the GOP I'd vote for him, but since that doesn't appear emminant I'll back Baldwin.

That's me standing right there with you...


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FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   15:37:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#39. To: James Deffenbach (#0)

Last night, CP founder Howard Phillips strongly denounced Keyes as a warmonger, neocon, and egomanic. Phillips was subsequently attacked by Jim Clymer, the CP national chairman.

In spite of Keyes bringing in a lot of delegates, the CP remained true to their anti-interventionist views and rejected Keyes.

This is wonderful news. I didn't know how right this is until I saw Keyes in an interview.

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IndieTX  posted on  2008-04-26   15:38:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#40. To: who knows what evil (#8) (Edited)

am one of the few who can say that I am STILL proud of the vote I cast in 2004 for the Peroutka/Baldwin ticket...they didn't win, but I have a CLEAN conscience.

You and me both can sleep at night. What if Baldwin chooses RP at his VP!???????????!!!!!!!

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IndieTX  posted on  2008-04-26   15:40:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#41. To: FOH (#37)

I will be SUPREMELY surprised if Ron Paul endorses Barr over Baldwin...of course, not much surprises me anymore, so strike that.

Same here.

We could see Paul endorse McAsshole before this is over I suppose.

No way. He would kill the credibility of all future endorsements, and perhaps that of up and coming candidates that wanted to follow in his footsteps. I just honestly can not see it, ever. Never ever. Ever. Nope. Sorry. No cigar. Zip.

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-26   15:40:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#42. To: IndieTX (#40)

What if Baldwin chooses RP at his VP!?

That would be sweet, but I'm guessing there's some law in place that would disenfranchise Dr Paul from his run at his seat in Congress. I agree with his stance that losing that seat would open up the opportunity for the neocons to use it as a hectoring tool. "Voters reject soveriegnty", all that customary nonsense.

And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot

Dakmar  posted on  2008-04-26   15:47:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#43. To: who knows what evil (#8)

I am one of the few who can say that I am STILL proud of the vote I cast in 2004 for the Peroutka/Baldwin ticket...they didn't win, but I have a CLEAN conscience.

And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot

Dakmar  posted on  2008-04-26   15:50:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#44. To: IndieTX (#39)

This is wonderful news.

Do you know Malatesta? If you're in TX, you should get to know him...


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FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   15:50:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#45. To: Dakmar (#42)

That would be sweet, but I'm guessing there's some law in place that would disenfranchise Dr Paul from his run at his seat in Congress. I agree with his stance that losing that seat would open up the opportunity for the neocons to use it as a hectoring tool. "Voters reject soveriegnty", all that customary nonsense.

Ah, but he could be a cabinet member!

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-26   15:51:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#46. To: Peppa (#41)

From your lips...


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FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   15:52:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#47. To: Peppa (#45)

And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot

Dakmar  posted on  2008-04-26   15:53:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#48. To: Peppa (#45)

Ah, but he could be a cabinet member!

He would be better able serve the people and a Baldwin administration as a congressman rather than as a cabinet member.

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Critter  posted on  2008-04-26   15:55:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#49. To: Dakmar, *Chuck Baldwin President 2008* (#42)

That would be sweet, but I'm guessing there's some law in place that would disenfranchise Dr Paul from his run at his seat in Congress. I agree with his stance that losing that seat would open up the opportunity for the neocons to use it as a hectoring tool. "Voters reject soveriegnty", all that customary nonsense.

Ron Paul has already taken the Establishment's best shot in that District race.

It would be SWEET if the bass turds meet in Minnesota and continue to pile on Ron Paul and his delegates.

Then, Ron can walk away having won AND having stuck it to them, finally, at the Convention...IMO


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FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   15:55:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#50. To: All (#49)


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FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   15:58:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#51. To: FOH (#49) (Edited)

It would be SWEET if the bass turds meet in Minnesota and continue to pile on Ron Paul and his delegates.

Then, Ron can walk away having won AND having stuck it to them, finally, at the Convention...IMO

Won the battle but lost the war? Not good enough, I once mailed the mayor of my town a box of cockroaches, gross but fun, let's all do the same.

And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot

Dakmar  posted on  2008-04-26   15:59:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#52. To: Dakmar (#47)

whew... You know what I thought was coming..

Nerve center, nervous speaking.

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-26   16:00:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#53. To: Critter (#48)

He would be better able serve the people and a Baldwin administration as a congressman rather than as a cabinet member.

Good point. Move the Presidents agenda.

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-26   16:01:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#54. To: Dakmar (#51)

There's no war to win being the lone voice in the House of Representatives, imo...a Baldwin/Paul ticket might be a way of getting around Ron Paul not being able to run for POTUS as a pubbie in some 8 or so States.

A Baldwin/Paul ticket is probably out of the realm of possibility, most likely because Ron is not up for it, but it would certainly garner a heckuva lot of votes imo.

No real Ron Paul-American can support or vote for McHillObama...


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FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   16:02:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#55. To: FOH (#44)

Bryan Malatesta

I know of him but I've never met him.

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IndieTX  posted on  2008-04-26   16:03:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#56. To: Peppa (#53)

You have to WIN first!!

There should be plenty of little Paul-people that are running and hopefully at least one can win and take "Ron's spot" in Congress as the lone dissenter...


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FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   16:03:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#57. To: IndieTX (#55)

He's a good one to get to know for many great reasons...


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FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   16:04:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#58. To: Jethro Tull (#19)

I go back to one, Michael New, and Keyes saying he'd jail him for refusing to take orders from a UN military commander.

And when Alan Keyes made that stupid statement he relegated himself to the bottom of the barrel with the rest of the scum for me. Michael New is a hero and the country needs more men like him, not fewer.

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James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-04-26   16:07:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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