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Title: Chuck Baldwin Defeats Alan Keyes for Constitution Party Nomination
Source: The LRC Blog
URL Source: http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/020719.html
Published: Apr 26, 2008
Author: Eric A. Garris
Post Date: 2008-04-26 14:33:38 by James Deffenbach
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Chuck Baldwin Defeats Alan Keyes for Constitution Party Nomination Posted by Eric A. Garris at April 26, 2008 10:11 AM
The Constitution Party just overwhelmingly defeated the warmongering neocon Alan Keyes by nominating Chuck Baldwin, 383 to 125.
Last night, CP founder Howard Phillips strongly denounced Keyes as a warmonger, neocon, and egomanic. Phillips was subsequently attacked by Jim Clymer, the CP national chairman.
In spite of Keyes bringing in a lot of delegates, the CP remained true to their anti-interventionist views and rejected Keyes.
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#158. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#157)
Keyes also favors slavery reparations in the form of a special tax cut for all blacks. Even Obama opposes slavery reparations, which puts Keyes in the same league of race panderers as Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.

I guess he is just another poverty pimp. A bit better educated and a little more well spoken but just another flaming racist at heart. Why should white people be forced to pay descendants of black people for things that happened four or five hundred years ago and over which none of us had any control? It is absurd. And that is completely overlooking that if they had been left in Africa their life spans would be much shorter and it is highly unlikely that they would have ever had the kind of life there--most of them anyway--that most of their descendants have had here. Not saying I condone slavery because I don't and I think that many of the ills we have faced and will continue to face are a punishment for it (nationally I mean). Still it doesn't make sense to blame descendants for what their ancestors several generations back did or didn't do.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2008-04-28 17:59:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#159. To: James Deffenbach (#158)
Liberia bump

FOH posted on 2008-04-28 18:44:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#160. To: Jethro Tull, FOH, James deffenbach, robin, all, christine (#19)
I will not promote this POS party. I still have the recent email from the constitution chairman Clymer stating that he pesonally invited Alan 'bring back the draft and jail Mike New' Keyes into their party with claims that Keyes is a 'good match' for this party. F all of them., sorry. voting is a joke anyway, nothing but theatre.
if i see a public apology and resignation from clymer i may reconsider. (probably not). Remember, Clymer also shilled for and fawned over the WND guy / former Israeli employee who wants to nuke Iran. whats his name... jerry corsi.
Patooey!!
MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist."
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
Artisan posted on 2008-04-30 2:30:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#161. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#155)
WHy did the chairman of the CP boast that he personally invited keyes to join? then he sends a letter later stating that keyes was not a good match according to delegates.
I was so shocked to see the likes of keyes and corsi fawned over by this party that I saved all those emails. throw the CP into the trash where it belongs. its a waste of time anyway, a delusion, there are no elections in the USSA.
MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist."
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
Artisan posted on 2008-04-30 2:33:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#162. To: buckeye (#100)
>>To enable Robert Welch, a 32nd degree Mason, to devote all of his time to the John Birch Society, Nelson Rockefeller purchased his family firm, the Welch Candy Company, from him at a handsome price. Welch chose the principal officers of the John Birch Society from his acquaintances at the Council On Foreign Relations. For years afterwards, American patriots were puzzled by the consistent inability of the John Birch Society to move forward on any of its well-advertised "anti-Communist" goals. The fact that the society had been set up at the behest of the backers of the world Communist revolution may have played some role in this development. Other patriots wondered why most American conservative writers, including the present writer, were steadily blacklisted by the John Birch Society for some thirty years. Despite thousands of requests from would be book buyers, the John Birch Society refused to review or list any of my books. After several decades of futility, the Society was totally discredited by its own record. In a desperate effort to restore its image, William Buckley, the CIA propagandist, launched a "fierce" attack against the John Birch Society in the pages of his magazine, the National Review. This free publicity campaign also did little to revive the moribund organization.

Mullins is systematically documenting the way in which the powers that be control factions in this country

Interesting, thanks for the info.
MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist."
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
Artisan posted on 2008-04-30 3:29:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#163. To: Artisan (#162) (Edited)
The fact that the society had been set up at the behest of the backers of the world Communist revolution may have played some role in this development. Other patriots wondered why most American conservative writers, including the present writer, were steadily blacklisted by the John Birch Society for some thirty years. Despite thousands of requests from would be book buyers, the John Birch Society refused to review or list any of my books. After several decades of futility, the Society was totally discredited by its own record. In a desperate effort to restore its image, William Buckley, the CIA propagandist, launched a "fierce" attack against the John Birch Society in the pages of his magazine, the National Review. This free publicity campaign also did little to revive the moribund organization.

Gate-keepers of the highest order. I lasted about two weeks as a Bircher. When I discovered that even talking about the disproportionate number of Jews being appointed (not elected) to the highest, most powerful and most sensitive positions throughout our entire system was frowned upon or banned altogether ... I quit.
Edit: The New American Magazine and other Bircher materials often offer good solid information they simply do not address the obvious and obnoxious presence of a cabal of Jews (that would more appropriately be deemed Babylonian satanists) driving us into war and bankruptcy.
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to the Secretary of the Treasury Albert Gallatin (1802)
noone222 posted on 2008-04-30 4:02:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#164. To: Artisan (#160)
Are you OK with Baldwin? Barr?
“President Bush has talked about our staying in Iraq for 50 years,” “Maybe a hundred ... ... that’d be fine with me,” McCain responds
Hillary: "I want the Iranians to know that if I'm the president, we will attack Iran in the next 10 years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them."
robin posted on 2008-04-30 9:57:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#165. To: Artisan (#160)
I will not promote this POS party.

Sorry your guy Don Grundmann didn't quite make the cut...Baldwin's the next best thing to Ron Paul.

FOH posted on 2008-04-30 10:06:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#166. To: noone222 (#163)
a cabal of Jews (that would more appropriately be deemed Babylonian satanists) driving us into war and bankruptcy.

Much more accurate...

FOH posted on 2008-04-30 10:07:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#167. To: FOH (#165)
You don't understand. I voted for peroutka/baldwin in 04, I have no problem with Baldwin, matter of fact I think he's a great candidate. But when the party's own chairman, Clymer, even after Baldwin wins, criticizes the party's founder for outing keyes for the scum he is, you're spittin in the wind. Why would you embrace a party that shills and fawns over JEROME CORSI and ALAN KEYES? Do you even know who these people are? Are you on the CP mailing list? I've been on it for 5 years. They acted like mesmerized schoolgirls sending crap not only to my email but my real mailbox about neocon jerome corsi & keyes.
Other than that, you seem to be real excited about the possibility of a CP presidency. That's sort of funny. You can't see thru bullshit when you see it or what?
MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist."
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
Artisan posted on 2008-04-30 11:16:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#168. To: Artisan (#167)
I have no problem with Baldwin, matter of fact I think he's a great candidate.

And he's the CP nominee.
You can go Watermelon Party, Liberaltarian Open Borders Party, Council on Foreign Relations National Globalist Party (R&D), Independent, etc.
I'm supporting the CP's nominee. And I'll also predict Clymer is short term.
BTW, Corsi is good people. You're too jaded to get past his past.
I wonder where you 'came from'...

FOH posted on 2008-04-30 11:26:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#169. To: robin (#164)
Barr, when did he repent of his drug warrior status? Baldwin is cool, but the notion that spending time and energy on the CP to 'solve the country's ills' is a pipedream and a waste of time. I know Ron Paul delegates who actually think the guy could and can still win. I supported Paul, but as you knew he never truly had any chance of winning. It was always about spreading a message.

elections are contrived theatre nonsense for TV. if someone wants to promote a 3rd party in order to spread the messsage to others , that's fine; but if the people doing it actually believe their guy can win, let's just say 'they're at a different stage in the game' than me.
I mean would you waste a dime on any candidate today? Better spent hoarding your one alloted bag of rice from sam's club, lol.
MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist."
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
Artisan posted on 2008-04-30 11:28:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#170. To: FOH (#168)
Corsi is an admitted israeli employee who constantly talks about nuking Iran. he's a neocon scum. Just because he jumped on the 'NAU' bandwagon years after the fact doesn't make him a good guy. Have you heard his views on the iraq war, the war on terror in general, the terror laws, etc? He doesn't share what are your stated views at all! He's an opportunist and probably a paid infiltrator.
MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist."
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
Artisan posted on 2008-04-30 11:32:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#171. To: Artisan (#170)
We're all on a journey...you included.

FOH posted on 2008-04-30 11:36:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#172. To: FOH (#171)
True enough; i still wouldnt trust zionist jerry corsi though. I think his purpose is to serve as a sort of public 'pressure valve' similar to what the minutemen such as gilcrest served; allowing a segment of the population in the mainstream to 'oppose bush' and air their dissatisfaction with government, while still going along with the govt's overall agenda. (iraq war, war on terra, REAL ID, etc).
MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist."
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
Artisan posted on 2008-04-30 11:50:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#173. To: Artisan (#172)
True enough; i still wouldnt trust zionist jerry corsi though. I think his purpose is to serve as a sort of public 'pressure valve' similar to what the minutemen such as gilcrest served; allowing a segment of the population in the mainstream to 'oppose bush' and air their dissatisfaction with government, while still going along with the govt's overall agenda. (iraq war, war on terra, REAL ID, etc).

A fair observation and duly noted.
The dynamics surrounding Israel, the Bible and Christians are quite amazing really...did you read Baldwin's piece on "Ron Paul's Israel Problem"?

FOH posted on 2008-04-30 11:52:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#174. To: Artisan (#169)
I haven't sent a dime to anyone but Ron Paul. Nor have I any bumper sticker other than his; I recently removed them. However, the antiwar movement is worthwhile, and perhaps (or perhaps not) supporting whoever they are (which happens to be Obama - 'nuff said on that).
The guy from LA's 9/11 group said he's not interested in following politics, he's focusing on 9/11 and the "power centers". That sounds worthwhile too.
Until folks understand 9/11 they'll never see who's hiding in plain sight.
“President Bush has talked about our staying in Iraq for 50 years,” “Maybe a hundred ... ... that’d be fine with me,” McCain responds
Hillary: "I want the Iranians to know that if I'm the president, we will attack Iran in the next 10 years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them."
robin posted on 2008-04-30 11:57:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#175. To: FOH (#173)
did you read Baldwin's piece on "Ron Paul's Israel Problem"?

No, I'll check it out.
MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist."
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
Artisan posted on 2008-04-30 11:59:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#176. To: FOH (#173)
did you read Baldwin's piece on "Ron Paul's Israel Problem"?

I need to look at it in more detail.

TwentyTwelve posted on 2008-04-30 12:02:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#177. To: robin (#174)
Until folks understand 9/11 they'll never see who's hiding in plain sight.

Mike Malloy formerly of 'air america' recently wrote a very shocking piece on his blog recently titled 'just breathe' outlining that same point. Seems the guy has jumped into 911 truth full force. Although I once heard Malloy mock peoples concerns about world government as nonsensical.
MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist."
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
Artisan posted on 2008-04-30 12:04:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#178. To: TwentyTwelve, Artisan (#176)
Baldwin hits it pretty well out of the park, in political terms, imo...

FOH posted on 2008-04-30 12:07:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#179. To: Artisan (#177)
Mike Malloy formerly of 'air america'

I'll keep an eye out for him. It sounds like he has removed the filters now. It takes time to fully deprogram and absorb it all, and to discern the truly nonsensical from the awful reality; not that I've achieved any apex of understanding, it's a daily chore.
“President Bush has talked about our staying in Iraq for 50 years,” “Maybe a hundred ... ... that’d be fine with me,” McCain responds
Hillary: "I want the Iranians to know that if I'm the president, we will attack Iran in the next 10 years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them."
robin posted on 2008-04-30 12:09:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#180. To: robin, twentytwelve (#179)
here is the entry from Mike Malloy that I referred to, got it via email from a 911 truth group. I liked a lot of what he said when I used to listen to him occasionally. I even heard him refer to the Franklin coverup scandal and he inferred all sorts of true things about the bushes regarding it. That was quite surprising for a clearchannel owned station, which carried his air america show (KTLK L.A.) He always referred to the bushes as 'the bush crime family'.
www1.novamradio.com/live/...=blog_display&blog_ id=45&
MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist."
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
Artisan posted on 2008-04-30 12:34:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#181. To: Artisan (#170)
Corsi is an admitted israeli employee ....

Everyone at WND are zio-nazi sympathizers. Baldwin is one too.
This guy, Tom Kovach is on RBN at 7:00 A.M. ... he's run for office as a CP candidate and supports the CP generally. He too is a WND type of zio-christian apologist. Seems like the CP has locked in a certain faction of Bible thumpers that either can't read or would rather just ignore the facts so that they can look like Jew Saviors.
These people are a definite threat to freedom and peace.
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to the Secretary of the Treasury Albert Gallatin (1802)
noone222 posted on 2008-04-30 14:18:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#182. To: noone222 (#181)
zio-nazi sympathizers. Baldwin is one too.

Take care.

FOH posted on 2008-04-30 14:48:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#183. To: Artisan (#180)
He always referred to the bushes as 'the bush crime family'.

very good, thanks for the link to his radio show.
“President Bush has talked about our staying in Iraq for 50 years,” “Maybe a hundred ... ... that’d be fine with me,” McCain responds
Hillary: "I want the Iranians to know that if I'm the president, we will attack Iran in the next 10 years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them."
robin posted on 2008-04-30 20:56:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#184. To: FOH (#182)
ConservativeHQ.com Active Polls

TwentyTwelve posted on 2008-04-30 21:16:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#185. To: TwentyTwelve (#184)
4th poll down?

FOH posted on 2008-04-30 21:41:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#186. To: FOH (#185)
4th poll down?

Now that John McCain has enough delegates to secure the GOP nomination, should Ron Paul stay in the race anyway?
Dr. Paul should stay in, all the way to the convention, to give all GOP voters an alternative to McCain. 47%

TwentyTwelve posted on 2008-04-30 21:43:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#187. To: TwentyTwelve (#186)
Dr. Paul should stay in, all the way to the convention, to give all GOP voters an alternative to McCain. 47%

No other choice at this point...

FOH posted on 2008-04-30 21:56:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#188. To: FOH (#187)
ConservativeHQ.com Active Polls
Here's a list of possible running mates for John McCain. Some are included simply to provide the widest possible choice. Whom should McCain pick?
Ron Paul 21%

TwentyTwelve posted on 2008-04-30 22:02:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#189. To: TwentyTwelve (#188)
If McTraitor actually lost what's left of his mind and against ALL odds chose Ron Paul as his Veep candidate, would you vote for the snake?

FOH posted on 2008-04-30 22:07:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#190. To: FOH (#189)
If McTraitor actually lost what's left of his mind and against ALL odds chose Ron Paul as his Veep candidate, would you vote for the snake?

If depends on McKook's health.
hmmmmmmm.......

TwentyTwelve posted on 2008-04-30 22:11:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#191. To: TwentyTwelve (#190)
heheheh

FOH posted on 2008-04-30 22:13:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#192. To: FOH (#189)
ConservativeHQ.com Active Polls
If John McCain chooses a principled conservative as his running mate, will it affect your vote?
• If he chooses a principled conservative, I will probably work hard for his election. 18%
• If he chooses a principled conservative, I will probably vote for him, but will not work hard for his election. 26%
• Regardless of his running mate, I WON’T vote for McCain. I'll probably vote for someone else. 31%
• Regardless of his running mate, I WON’T vote for McCain. I probably won't vote for anyone for president. 9%
I WILL vote for McCain, no matter whom he picks as his running mate. 16%

TwentyTwelve posted on 2008-04-30 22:14:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#193. To: noone222 (#181)
did you see this one by Baldwin?
freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=79413

Furthermore, Christians need to understand that Jewish interests are not always harmonious with the interests of Christianity or the interests of the United States. Israel certainly did not act in a friendly fashion when it attacked the Navy intelligence ship, the USS Liberty, in 1967. That attack was the second deadliest against a U.S. vessel since the end of World War II. The attack also marked the single greatest loss of life by the U.S. intelligence community. 34 U.S. servicemen were killed and 173 were wounded in that attack. In addition, Israel is often found to be engaged in espionage within the United States. Should America turn a blind eye to such activities? Of course not. Beyond that, Hebrew Christians are still pretty much regarded as second-class citizens in Israel. There is no freedom of religion for Christians in Israel. .....

MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist."
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
Artisan posted on 2008-05-01 0:12:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#194. To: Artisan (#193)
did you see this one by Baldwin?

Yes. Chuck Baldwin has in recent times been more critical of Israel. My opinion is that fraud is often committed by omission. Baldwin claims to be a preacher and should know that those claiming the Biblical promise that ultimately supports the notion of an Israeli State are illegitimate claimants. His position seems to be that we should support Israel even though they should be corrected for infractions after the fact. Baldwin's inability to out Israel as a complete fraud upon the world causes me concern about his integrity. Some several years ago I unsubscribed from his newsletters because of his support for Israel. Israel as we know it is nothing less than a satanic terrorist state and should be disbanded, or at least Baldwin, a pastor should quit supporting it
To me this is fraud.
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to the Secretary of the Treasury Albert Gallatin (1802)
noone222 posted on 2008-05-01 4:19:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#195. To: noone222 (#194)
OK, thanks for the POV. Growing up in a blue collar Catholic family I never understood people's obsession with jews and israel, once I encountered it. i never even knew any jews until in my 20s. I am aware of zionist kooks, and I agree they are dangerous.
MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist."
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
Artisan posted on 2008-05-02 1:17:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#196. To: Artisan (#195)
Growing up in a blue collar Catholic family I never understood people's obsession with jews and israel, once I encountered it. i never even knew any jews until in my 20s.

How funny ! Me too. I was raised Catholic and didn't know a Jew until I was in basic training in 1969. (The guys name was Feingold and he was a super putz). I wasn't born with nor did I have any real understanding of the Zio-nazi thing until much later in life.
"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs."
"I sincerely believe that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies, and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale."
Thomas Jefferson
noone222 posted on 2008-05-02 2:06:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#197. To: noone222, richard9151 (#194)
Chuck Baldwin has in recent times been more critical of Israel. My opinion is that fraud is often committed by omission. Baldwin claims to be a preacher and should know that those claiming the Biblical promise that ultimately supports the notion of an Israeli State are illegitimate claimants. His position seems to be that we should support Israel even though they should be corrected for infractions after the fact. Baldwin's inability to out Israel as a complete fraud upon the world causes me concern about his integrity. Some several years ago I unsubscribed from his newsletters because of his support for Israel. Israel as we know it is nothing less than a satanic terrorist state and should be disbanded, or at least Baldwin, a pastor should quit supporting it
To me this is fraud.

I am just getting around to reading about the Chuck Baldwin nomination [got a lot of things on my plate right now], and thank you for that analysis.
While I HOPE Baldwin is on the up-and-up, we have to be so discerning right now. Richard posted an article that I mostly agreed with; that getting back to the Constitution is not the answer....the Constitution was anti-God's plan from the beginning. I have been saying the same thing for a long time now. In fact, much of an article at a link was very reminiscent of a rant I had made in the past. Richard said he couldn't vouch for everything at the site, because he didn't know the people behind it. I had visited the site before, and knew they had turned from the truth at some points, but couldn't remember where. The article I linked to brought it all back. After explaining that Israel was spiritual, and not based on race, the article quietly [deceptively?] veered off into what I know to be British-Israelism, which is not only racist, but Jewish in nature, and totally antichrist. British-Israelism is what Psalm 2 is all about. Judeo-British-Israelism is Zionism by its true name. If Chuck Baldwin does not forcefully denounce and expose this beast, he could be likened to a sheep in wolves clothing....imo, anyway.
richard's article:
4um Larken Rose Verdict www.postliberty.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=79066
[I AM falling behind....when did freedom4um become postliberty??? ....on second check...we're still freedom4um....google listed all 4um articles as supplementary....here's one with a trace on.... freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/re...Num=79066&Disp=1&Trace=on ....who is postliberty I wonder.....looks identical to 4um.]
The pertinent article, part truth/part heresy: "The ONLY way to defeat the NWO": http://jahtruth.net/plan.htm [this is the one that veers off into Judeo-British-Israelism.]
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt posted on 2008-05-07 9:43:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#198. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#197)
Richard posted an article that I mostly agreed with; that getting back to the Constitution is not the answer....the Constitution was anti-God's plan from the beginning. I have been saying the same thing for a long time now. In fact, much of an article at a link was very reminiscent of a rant I had made in the past

Let me first say I know that you and Richard are well intentioned and of the highest integrity. I could also say that I am for the most part in agreement with commentary offered by both of you. That being said, I'm of the opinion that the CONstitution could act as a reasonable buffer in our society that isn't a theocracy.
Properly adhered to the CONstitution affords everyone the liberty to be diverse and at the same time enjoy the ability to determine for themselves matters of a more spiritual nature without imposing on others.
To think God will be mocked or ignored is folly in my opinion, however, there are others with as much right to think otherwise, and in fact do. A dogmatic and theocratic approach to social harmony is impossible here in America, and if such were to be enforced there would never be peace.
"The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation".
Vladimir Lenin
noone222 posted on 2008-05-07 10:29:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

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