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Title: Chuck Baldwin Defeats Alan Keyes for Constitution Party Nomination
Source: The LRC Blog
URL Source: http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/020719.html
Published: Apr 26, 2008
Author: Eric A. Garris
Post Date: 2008-04-26 14:33:38 by James Deffenbach
Keywords: None
Views: 1790
Comments: 201

Chuck Baldwin Defeats Alan Keyes for Constitution Party Nomination Posted by Eric A. Garris at April 26, 2008 10:11 AM

The Constitution Party just overwhelmingly defeated the warmongering neocon Alan Keyes by nominating Chuck Baldwin, 383 to 125.

Last night, CP founder Howard Phillips strongly denounced Keyes as a warmonger, neocon, and egomanic. Phillips was subsequently attacked by Jim Clymer, the CP national chairman.

In spite of Keyes bringing in a lot of delegates, the CP remained true to their anti-interventionist views and rejected Keyes.

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#135. To: who knows what evil, Dakmar (#29)

I also think Paul Craig Roberts would make a wonderful POTUS.

Ooooooo...Baldwin/Roberts? The mind boggles...

cool

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-04-26   22:49:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#136. To: FOH (#88)

Ohhhhhhhhhh Ahhhhhhhhh... pretty!!! :) !!!

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-26   23:08:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#137. To: James Deffenbach (#90)

One mentioned that unless McCain recieves enough delegates, the nomination process could wind up in court. Yeah, and wouldn't that just be a "tarble thang"? ahaha.

Sho' wud. LOL!

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-26   23:11:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#138. To: James Deffenbach (#0)

I have a huge problem with Chuck so I won't be voting for him. Might vote for Barr, still not sure yet.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-04-26   23:14:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#139. To: Peppa (#136)


FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   23:17:39 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#140. To: RickyJ (#138)

I don't know that you could go wrong with Barr...he sure made a turnaround.


FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   23:18:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#141. To: Old Fud (#134) (Edited)

Constitution Party National Platform


FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   23:20:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#142. To: FOH (#139)

A smiley face!

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-26   23:24:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#143. To: Peppa (#142)

Ain't that special!


FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   23:28:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#144. To: James Deffenbach (#0)

This just in, courtesy of the Missouri Constitution Party:

KANSAS CITY, MO–”At its national convention, Pastor Chuck Baldwin has accepted the Constitution Party’s nomination for President of the United States.

“Pastor Baldwin is a minister, author, radio talk show host, and syndicated columnist. He was also the Constitution Party’s 2004 Vice-Presidential candidate.

“To see Pastor Baldwin’s stands on the issues (including pro-life and pro-family), as well as more thorough biographical information, click here.

“The party’s vice-presidential candidate will be nominated at the convention later today.”

[STLtoday.com] At KC convention, Constitution Party picks pastor for president

04/26/2008 2:30 pm


FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   23:40:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#145. To: All (#144)

Chuck Baldwin Wins Constitution Party Nomination Posted on 04.26.08 by Austin Cassidy @ 5:28 pm

Pastor Chuck Baldwin, and former 2004 VP candidate, won the Constitution Party’s nomination for Presidential today. He defeated former Ambassador Alan Keyes by a margin of 384 to 126 delegates.

This is not much of a surprise, considering that Howard Phillips, the founder of the Constitution Party, gave a speech to the convention yesterday blasting Keyes as a political opportunist.

Keyes seems like the kind of guy who doesn’t take losing very well. It wouldn’t surprise me if we now see him try and form his own party, run as an independent, or go after another nomination - maybe from the nearly-defunct Reform Party.

No word yet on who the Constitution Party will nominate for Vice-President.

Keyes and his minions sliced up Ron Paul, now they're already on the warpath for the Constitution Party...what a bunch of loons.

This should be fun...


FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   23:44:17 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#146. To: All (#145)

Constitutionally Contentious

By W. James Antle III


Published 4/21/2008 12:08:30 AM

In the grand tradition of the Boston Tea Party, Tax Day is as good a time as any to begin a struggle for independence. Perhaps that's why perennial candidate Alan Keyes picked April 15 to announce his departure from the Republican Party, though a cheeky blogger for the Los Angeles Times had a slightly different take: "Alan Keyes officially leaves GOP and hardly anyone notices."

Keyes certainly didn't have a noticeable impact on the 2008 Republican presidential primaries, where his highly unorthodox campaign made both his 43-point loss to Barack Obama in the 2004 Illinois Senate race and his 42-point defeat by Barbara Mikulski during a 1992 Maryland Senate run seem like successes by comparison. Keyes spent much of his time campaigning in Texas, where he won just 0.62 percent of the vote. His best showing was in the Kansas caucus, where he received 1.5 percent. Keyes's bizarre performance at the Des Moines Register debate before the Iowa caucuses was the first -- and last -- time he made news during his GOP run.

This week, Keyes is expected to make a bid for the Constitution Party's presidential nomination, which will be determined at the party's national convention in Kansas City, Missouri, on Friday and Saturday. "If Dr. Keyes's positions on the issues square up with the CP platform we'd be thrilled to have him represent us and offer Americans a choice that the other 'Big Box' parties don't," says Constitution Party communications director Mary Starrett. But there is no guarantee that Keyes will be finding electoral success in his new party either.

At first glance, Keyes ought to be a good fit for the Constitution Party. Both are unapologetically pro-life and animated by Christian conservative issues. Both favor the abolition of the income tax. Keyes has in the past addressed the party's gatherings, hobnobbed with its leaders, and championed many of their political causes. But the Constitution Party is predominantly paleoconservative and Keyes isn't exactly.

Many Constitution Party members are former Pat Buchanan Republicans. Veteran leader and three-time presidential candidate Howard Phillips thrice sought to have Buchanan run on the party's national ticket. The bad blood between the Buchanan brigades and the Keyesters dates back to the 1996 Republican primaries, when many of the former saw Keyes as a stalking horse out to siphon pro-life, socially conservative votes away from Buchanan. Keyes took 7 percent in the Iowa caucuses, for example, where Bob Dole only beat Buchanan by three points.

Other party members point to philosophical differences with Keyes. Trent Hill of the Louisiana Constitution Party told me in an e-mail that Keyes "is a good man" who will be "respected and welcomed by all within the party." But he expressed concerns about Keyes's "interventionist leanings" when it comes to foreign policy. "Also at issue, especially with some of the more philosophically astute delegates, is that Keyes is a friend of William Kristol's, a student of [Harvey] Mansfield's, and a follower of [Leo] Strauss,'" Hill wrote. "As I'm sure you're aware, this is a neoconservative crowd, and the neoconservatives are the diametric opposites of the paleoconservatives (at least within the conservative spectrum)."


THE BIGGEST issue separating Keyes from the Constitution Party is the Iraq war. Keyes has said that he would not have picked Iraq as the next target in the war on terror, but supported the president's policy in debates with Obama four years ago and would not withdraw U.S. troops today. His new party, however favors a noninterventionist foreign policy and opposes the war. This is not an insignificant difference of opinion.

Ricardo Davis, the state party chairman for Georgia, says any attempt to abandon the antiwar stance will go over about as well as the New Coke. "What if I was the new CEO of a midsized company and decided embark on a strategy to sell a 'me too' product that negates the company's unique sales proposition?" he asks. "What if that sales proposition is held dear by most of the sales and marketing management in the company? What do you think will happen to that company as I try to change the company's direction? A train wreck would look prettier!"

Some of the people Keyes might bring with him into the Constitution Party aren't budging in their support for the war, either. A poster on Keyes's web forum argues that "the CP expresses the same naive view as my long time congressional hero Ron Paul did" and questions why a Christian political party wouldn't "understand the nature of the enemy."

Is Keyes cooked? "What you run into are a lot of single-issue pro-lifers who view Alan Keyes as a positive name," says Red Phillips, a paleoconservative who opposes Keyes's nomination. Phillips also worries that other party members will want a well known presidential candidate. "There's talk about us crossing the million vote threshold if we nominate Keyes," he says. "I don't think that's very realistic, since not even Pat Buchanan got a million votes [as the Reform Party nominee] in 2000."

Chuck Baldwin, a pastor and columnist who was the Constitution Party's 2004 vice presidential nominee, has said he will accept the nomination if offered. Baldwin is unlikely to carry his party across the 200,000 vote threshold, much less one million. If neither Ron Paul nor "Ten Commandments" Judge Roy Moore are open to being drafted, Keyes would be the biggest name in the race -- the best political position he's been in since winning a 14-candidate Maryland GOP primary in 1992 -- and yet he's still no shoo-in.

Last Thursday, Keyes took part in a conference call with state Constitution Party leaders. Instead of smoothing over their differences on the Iraq war and other issues, at least one participant remembers Keyes being more interested in talking than listening. "I appreciate that Alan speaks his mind," says Davis. "But he is seeking our nomination, not the other way around."

During Keyes's first presidential campaign, Rich Lowry observed, "His unmatched skill in impassioned oratory is accompanied by a deficit in more mundane political abilities, such as listening, glad-handing, and gauging his effect on those around him." That was the talented Dr. Keyes's downfall in the Republican Party. The problem may have followed him into the Constitution Party as well.


W. James Antle III is associate editor of The American Spectator.

American Spectator


FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   23:53:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#147. To: All (#146)

Freakerville Update: alanoids go into meltdown...more to come

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FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   23:58:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#148. To: All (#147)

Constitution Party stunner: Chuck Baldwin KOs firebrand Alan Keyes

EV=Zipperhead

To: Petronski

THAT is gonna leave a mark.

Not really.

It was because it was full of a bunch of Ron Paul, Lew Rockwell, "noninterventionist" nonsense, and Alan insisted on telling them the whole truth about the realities of the Constitution, our role in the world, and what must be done to keep our country from being destroyed.

Alan gave them a shot at taking advantage of the historic opportunity that is in front of us, and they weren't up to it.

The Constitution Party is worthless, and won't have any impact on this election whatsoever. Baldwin will be lucky to get as many votes as Peroutka did four years ago.

22 posted on Saturday, April 26, 2008 7:56:48 PM by EternalVigilance ("You cannot defend life if you give up the means of that defense." - Alan Keyes)

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FOH  posted on  2008-04-27   0:02:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#149. To: All (#148)

To: Reaganesque

Actually, I’m extremely happy it turned out the way it did. For many years, the illusion that the CP was a fallback position for Reagan conservatives has been part of a lot of our thinking. Now that mistaken notion is gone, gone, gone.

It was a rough month having to deal with them, but it was worth it. Dr. Keyes performed magnificently, and his people all across the country got a real education.


30 posted on Saturday, April 26, 2008 8:15:30 PM

by EternalVigilance ("You cannot defend life if you give up the means of that defense." - Alan Keyes)

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Lowlife, bottom-feeding pondscum.

I wonder which trough they will target next...?


FOH  posted on  2008-04-27   0:03:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#150. To: All (#149)

To: Petronski
Spin it.

Nope. Folks who actually followed the progress of the whole series of events of the last month - mostly by the means we provided, such as wall-to-wall live streaming - know I'm simply giving a factual account of the death wish and death throes of the CP.

The Constitution Party's "Ron Paul disease" has metastasized.


38 posted on Saturday, April 26, 2008 8:22:28 PM by EternalVigilance ("You cannot defend life if you give up the means of that defense." - Alan Keyes)

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A zero, zilch, zippo...


FOH  posted on  2008-04-27   0:06:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#151. To: All (#150)

To: Petronski
"Tom Hoefling of Lohrville, Iowa, Keyes' national political director."

ROTFLMAO! Ol' Tom must have a man crush on Alan because that's the only way anyone would take this gig.

How does he keep the names of all three supporters straight?


46 posted on Saturday, April 26, 2008 8:40:25 PM by stravinskyrules (Why is it that whenever I hear a piece of music I don't like, it's always by Villa-Lobos?)

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To: stravinskyrules

Who you voting for, newbie?

That’s me that was quoted, for the record.


51 posted on Saturday, April 26, 2008 9:00:01 PM

by EternalVigilance ("You cannot defend life if you give up the means of that defense." - Alan Keyes)

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For the record, Eternal Vigilance aka Tom Hoelfing is out of his mind...


FOH  posted on  2008-04-27   0:09:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#152. To: All (#151)

To: ovrtaxt

Because the CP is full of a bunch of racist, xenophobic, religious fanatics?

70 posted on Saturday, April 26, 2008 10:11:58 PM by Antonio C (God bless John McCain, George W. Bush, and our troops) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

Nothing's changed much over at Freakerville!!

LOLOL

What a pantload bunch of grifters and voyeurs...


FOH  posted on  2008-04-27   0:12:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#153. To: All (#152)

Media coverage of the Constitution Party convention

I appreciate Trent Hill, Mike Ferguson and Stephen Gordon’s eyewitness coverage of the Constitution Party convention. I thought folks might be interested in other media’s reporting. The Muskegon Chronicle ran a story today on Mad Max Riekse who is seeking the vice-presidential nomination. The St. Joseph News-Press ran a story on Thursday on the convention that mistakenly treated the nomination of Alan Keyes as a foregone conclusion. Former Constitution Party candidate for US Senate, Mark Dankof had an editorial published today in Al Bawaba that applauds the Constitution Party for their selection of Chuck Baldwin over Alan Keyes:

This weekend in Kansas City, the Constitution Party delegates offered a choice, not a Zionist-inspired echo. God bless them. God bless the Old American Republic. And God bless a Godly-man named Chuck Baldwin. Go get, ‘em, Chuck.

A Two-Party Death Grip


by Chuck Baldwin
February 15, 2008



It is time to say it: the two major parties hold a death grip on the American people. Instead of representing the people, both the Republican and Democrat parties are bought and paid for by special interest groups and multinational corporations. Neither party pays any attention to the U.S. Constitution but both are largely marching in lockstep toward bigger and bigger government. Both Republicans and Democrats eagerly sacrifice what's good for the country for what's good for the party. As they now exist, neither major party deserves the support of patriotic Americans.

Furthermore, blind allegiance to the two major parties has created a "lesser of two evils" mindset that has warped the thinking and perverted the values of otherwise good people. What people would never accept in any other venue of society, they gladly and willingly accept from their chosen party's candidates.

People expect honesty and integrity from clergymen, bankers, doctors, businessmen, realtors, journalists, and even used car salesmen. Those same people, however, quickly tolerate and even excuse dishonesty and chicanery from their chosen political party.

Ever since George W. Bush became President of these United States, I have watched in disbelief as my fellow Christian conservatives have not only looked the other way as Bush repeatedly betrayed conservative/constitutional principles, but have willingly and enthusiastically supported his apostasy. Many of them are continuing to do the same thing by supporting the Big-Government, pro-amnesty, pro-gun control, pro-100-year war, grubby candidacy of John McCain. Good grief! Pat Robertson even endorsed the soiled candidacy of the liberal cross-dresser, Rudy Giuliani.

It is clear, therefore, that conservatives are more than willing to support and defend someone they know to be unfaithful to both their oath of office and to bedrock conservative principles. In other words, it does not matter a whit to them whether their candidate tells the truth, obeys the Constitution, or even demonstrates fidelity to the fundamental principles of liberty. If he has an "R" behind his name, conservatives will support him.

However, the same people who will justify dishonesty in the lives of their favored party's politicians would never accept such conduct from anyone else. Furthermore, many of these conservatives actually call themselves Christians; many are preachers. They preach and teach the virtues of honesty and integrity from the pulpit. They teach boys and girls to be honest and virtuous: to put the principles of right above personal wealth or benefit. Then, they turn around and support these lying politicians, many of whom are fornicating, greedy, arrogant reprobates. What is even more amazing is that they find no inconsistency with what they are doing.

In his Farewell Address, our first and greatest President, George Washington, eloquently lobbied the American people to guard against over-infatuation with political parties. Anyone reading his warnings today will be impressed with his insight and wisdom. Virtually everything he predicted has come to pass. Blind loyalty to political parties has corrupted our public institutions, blinded the hearts and minds of the American people, and opened wide the door to undue foreign influence.

If everyone who believes and teaches honesty and accountability would put it into practice when they walk into the voting booth, we could put a stop to this pathetic practice of electing dishonest and despicable people to high public office. Instead of hiding their own character and integrity under the bushel basket of party partisanship, voters could be proud of the fact that they are actually helping to set the ship of state aright by electing men and women of honesty and character.

Although I do not share this opinion, many people believe Abraham Lincoln to be one of America's greatest presidents (I think he was one of the worst). Personal opinion aside, it is a fact that Lincoln's election and subsequent influence upon this country was huge. Therefore, it is more than significant to realize that Lincoln was first elected from a four-person race with only 39% of the popular vote. Even more significant is the fact that at that time the Republican Party was a minor party, having been formed only a few years earlier. So much for the argument that a minor party cannot win a major election.

In practically every Presidential election, there are candidates from a variety of independent or "third" parties on the ballot. To ignore them merely because they are not Republicans or Democrats is absurd. Furthermore, it is more than obvious that the GOP will not tolerate principled candidates running for President. The recent Presidential candidacies of Duncan Hunter, Tom Tancredo, Alan Keyes, and Ron Paul make this abundantly clear.

While it may still be appropriate to support state and local Republican candidates, at the Presidential level, it is waste of time--and a wasted vote--to support the establishment Republican candidates. They are all Big-Government liberals. Yes, that includes Mike Huckabee.

I recommend that people seriously consider voting for a Third Party candidate this November. Start by taking a close look at the Constitution Party.

http://www.constitutionparty.com/

The Constitution Party (the third largest political party in America) has a proven track record of fidelity to pro-life, conservative principles and to constitutional government. I further believe it is time for principled columnists and journalists such as Charley Reese to start encouraging voters to support principled, independent candidates. The same goes for leaders of the Religious Right such as Tony Perkins, James Dobson, and Phyllis Schlafly. For them to continue to ignore good, independent candidates only serves to strengthen and augment the two-party death grip.

It is more than interesting that more people are currently registered as Independents than either Republican or Democrat. But it is not enough to register as an Independent, we must start voting Independent. Remember, the object is to elect honest and honorable leaders for our country, not to promote and protect the private agendas of the fat cats who control the two major parties.

It increasingly appears that the two major parties will force the American people to choose between the fascistic John McCain or the Marxist Barack Obama. Is that really the kind of choice we are willing to accept? Are we really content to continue to vote the "party line," no matter what damage results?

Let's face it, folks: the two major parties are strangling the life out of this country. It is indeed a death grip. Something drastic must be done, and it must be done NOW! Since it does not appear that either major party is salvageable (at the national level), it is up to "We the people" to take matters into our own hands. This means bypassing the mainstream press and relying more on the Internet for our news and information. And it means bypassing the two major parties and voting for Independent candidates for President.

If Michael Bloomberg throws his hat in the Presidential ring, it will already be a three-man race. A strong independent conservative contender would make it a viable four-man race (just like 1860). At that point, anything could happen. But first, we must awaken to the reality of the two-party death grip, and then decide to do something about it. I am ready. How about you?

*If you enjoyed this column and want to help me distribute these editorial opinions to an ever-growing audience, donations may now be made by credit card, check, or Money Order. Use this link:

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© Chuck Baldwin

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FOH  posted on  2008-04-27   1:08:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#154. To: RickyJ (#138)

I have a huge problem with Chuck so I won't be voting for him. Might vote for Barr, still not sure yet.

I don't understand. I have read much of what Chuck has written over the years and haven't found anything in any of his public writings or statements to object to. What was it you found objectionable if you don't mind saying?

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-04-27   10:07:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#155. To: James Deffenbach (#0)

Good news (for a change)! I'm sure that Alan Keyes was a GOP plant sent into the CP to neuter it. CP supporters had the good sense to say "no" to neoconservatism.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-04-28   13:35:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#156. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#155)

Good news (for a change)! I'm sure that Alan Keyes was a GOP plant sent into the CP to neuter it. CP supporters had the good sense to say "no" to neoconservatism.

I never thought for one minute about voting for Alan Keyes for anything after that dumb@$$ statement he made about Michael New--twice the man (at least) that Keyes could hope to be.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-04-28   16:57:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#157. To: James Deffenbach (#156)

Keyes also favors slavery reparations in the form of a special tax cut for all blacks. Even Obama opposes slavery reparations, which puts Keyes in the same league of race panderers as Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-04-28   17:52:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#158. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#157)

Keyes also favors slavery reparations in the form of a special tax cut for all blacks. Even Obama opposes slavery reparations, which puts Keyes in the same league of race panderers as Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.

I guess he is just another poverty pimp. A bit better educated and a little more well spoken but just another flaming racist at heart. Why should white people be forced to pay descendants of black people for things that happened four or five hundred years ago and over which none of us had any control? It is absurd. And that is completely overlooking that if they had been left in Africa their life spans would be much shorter and it is highly unlikely that they would have ever had the kind of life there--most of them anyway--that most of their descendants have had here. Not saying I condone slavery because I don't and I think that many of the ills we have faced and will continue to face are a punishment for it (nationally I mean). Still it doesn't make sense to blame descendants for what their ancestors several generations back did or didn't do.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-04-28   17:59:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#159. To: James Deffenbach (#158)

Liberia bump


FOH  posted on  2008-04-28   18:44:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#160. To: Jethro Tull, FOH, James deffenbach, robin, all, christine (#19)

I will not promote this POS party. I still have the recent email from the constitution chairman Clymer stating that he pesonally invited Alan 'bring back the draft and jail Mike New' Keyes into their party with claims that Keyes is a 'good match' for this party. F all of them., sorry. voting is a joke anyway, nothing but theatre.

if i see a public apology and resignation from clymer i may reconsider. (probably not). Remember, Clymer also shilled for and fawned over the WND guy / former Israeli employee who wants to nuke Iran. whats his name... jerry corsi.

Patooey!!

MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist."
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2008-04-30   2:30:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#161. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#155)

WHy did the chairman of the CP boast that he personally invited keyes to join? then he sends a letter later stating that keyes was not a good match according to delegates.

I was so shocked to see the likes of keyes and corsi fawned over by this party that I saved all those emails. throw the CP into the trash where it belongs. its a waste of time anyway, a delusion, there are no elections in the USSA.

MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist."
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2008-04-30   2:33:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#162. To: buckeye (#100)

>>To enable Robert Welch, a 32nd degree Mason, to devote all of his time to the John Birch Society, Nelson Rockefeller purchased his family firm, the Welch Candy Company, from him at a handsome price. Welch chose the principal officers of the John Birch Society from his acquaintances at the Council On Foreign Relations. For years afterwards, American patriots were puzzled by the consistent inability of the John Birch Society to move forward on any of its well-advertised "anti-Communist" goals. The fact that the society had been set up at the behest of the backers of the world Communist revolution may have played some role in this development. Other patriots wondered why most American conservative writers, including the present writer, were steadily blacklisted by the John Birch Society for some thirty years. Despite thousands of requests from would be book buyers, the John Birch Society refused to review or list any of my books. After several decades of futility, the Society was totally discredited by its own record. In a desperate effort to restore its image, William Buckley, the CIA propagandist, launched a "fierce" attack against the John Birch Society in the pages of his magazine, the National Review. This free publicity campaign also did little to revive the moribund organization.

Mullins is systematically documenting the way in which the powers that be control factions in this country

Interesting, thanks for the info.

MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist."
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2008-04-30   3:29:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#163. To: Artisan (#162) (Edited)

The fact that the society had been set up at the behest of the backers of the world Communist revolution may have played some role in this development. Other patriots wondered why most American conservative writers, including the present writer, were steadily blacklisted by the John Birch Society for some thirty years. Despite thousands of requests from would be book buyers, the John Birch Society refused to review or list any of my books. After several decades of futility, the Society was totally discredited by its own record. In a desperate effort to restore its image, William Buckley, the CIA propagandist, launched a "fierce" attack against the John Birch Society in the pages of his magazine, the National Review. This free publicity campaign also did little to revive the moribund organization.

Gate-keepers of the highest order. I lasted about two weeks as a Bircher. When I discovered that even talking about the disproportionate number of Jews being appointed (not elected) to the highest, most powerful and most sensitive positions throughout our entire system was frowned upon or banned altogether ... I quit.

Edit: The New American Magazine and other Bircher materials often offer good solid information they simply do not address the obvious and obnoxious presence of a cabal of Jews (that would more appropriately be deemed Babylonian satanists) driving us into war and bankruptcy.

I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.

Thomas Jefferson, Letter to the Secretary of the Treasury Albert Gallatin (1802)

noone222  posted on  2008-04-30   4:02:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#164. To: Artisan (#160)

Are you OK with Baldwin? Barr?

“President Bush has talked about our staying in Iraq for 50 years,” “Maybe a hundred ... ... that’d be fine with me,” McCain responds
Hillary: "I want the Iranians to know that if I'm the president, we will attack Iran in the next 10 years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them."

robin  posted on  2008-04-30   9:57:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#165. To: Artisan (#160)

I will not promote this POS party.

Sorry your guy Don Grundmann didn't quite make the cut...Baldwin's the next best thing to Ron Paul.


FOH  posted on  2008-04-30   10:06:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#166. To: noone222 (#163)

a cabal of Jews (that would more appropriately be deemed Babylonian satanists) driving us into war and bankruptcy.

Much more accurate...


FOH  posted on  2008-04-30   10:07:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#167. To: FOH (#165)

You don't understand. I voted for peroutka/baldwin in 04, I have no problem with Baldwin, matter of fact I think he's a great candidate. But when the party's own chairman, Clymer, even after Baldwin wins, criticizes the party's founder for outing keyes for the scum he is, you're spittin in the wind. Why would you embrace a party that shills and fawns over JEROME CORSI and ALAN KEYES? Do you even know who these people are? Are you on the CP mailing list? I've been on it for 5 years. They acted like mesmerized schoolgirls sending crap not only to my email but my real mailbox about neocon jerome corsi & keyes.

Other than that, you seem to be real excited about the possibility of a CP presidency. That's sort of funny. You can't see thru bullshit when you see it or what?

MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist."
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2008-04-30   11:16:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#168. To: Artisan (#167)

I have no problem with Baldwin, matter of fact I think he's a great candidate.

And he's the CP nominee.

You can go Watermelon Party, Liberaltarian Open Borders Party, Council on Foreign Relations National Globalist Party (R&D), Independent, etc.

I'm supporting the CP's nominee. And I'll also predict Clymer is short term.

BTW, Corsi is good people. You're too jaded to get past his past.

I wonder where you 'came from'...


FOH  posted on  2008-04-30   11:26:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#169. To: robin (#164)

Barr, when did he repent of his drug warrior status? Baldwin is cool, but the notion that spending time and energy on the CP to 'solve the country's ills' is a pipedream and a waste of time. I know Ron Paul delegates who actually think the guy could and can still win. I supported Paul, but as you knew he never truly had any chance of winning. It was always about spreading a message.

elections are contrived theatre nonsense for TV. if someone wants to promote a 3rd party in order to spread the messsage to others , that's fine; but if the people doing it actually believe their guy can win, let's just say 'they're at a different stage in the game' than me.

I mean would you waste a dime on any candidate today? Better spent hoarding your one alloted bag of rice from sam's club, lol.

MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist."
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2008-04-30   11:28:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#170. To: FOH (#168)

Corsi is an admitted israeli employee who constantly talks about nuking Iran. he's a neocon scum. Just because he jumped on the 'NAU' bandwagon years after the fact doesn't make him a good guy. Have you heard his views on the iraq war, the war on terror in general, the terror laws, etc? He doesn't share what are your stated views at all! He's an opportunist and probably a paid infiltrator.

MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist."
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2008-04-30   11:32:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#171. To: Artisan (#170)

We're all on a journey...you included.


FOH  posted on  2008-04-30   11:36:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#172. To: FOH (#171)

True enough; i still wouldnt trust zionist jerry corsi though. I think his purpose is to serve as a sort of public 'pressure valve' similar to what the minutemen such as gilcrest served; allowing a segment of the population in the mainstream to 'oppose bush' and air their dissatisfaction with government, while still going along with the govt's overall agenda. (iraq war, war on terra, REAL ID, etc).

MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist."
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2008-04-30   11:50:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#173. To: Artisan (#172)

True enough; i still wouldnt trust zionist jerry corsi though. I think his purpose is to serve as a sort of public 'pressure valve' similar to what the minutemen such as gilcrest served; allowing a segment of the population in the mainstream to 'oppose bush' and air their dissatisfaction with government, while still going along with the govt's overall agenda. (iraq war, war on terra, REAL ID, etc).

A fair observation and duly noted.

The dynamics surrounding Israel, the Bible and Christians are quite amazing really...did you read Baldwin's piece on "Ron Paul's Israel Problem"?


FOH  posted on  2008-04-30   11:52:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#174. To: Artisan (#169)

I haven't sent a dime to anyone but Ron Paul. Nor have I any bumper sticker other than his; I recently removed them. However, the antiwar movement is worthwhile, and perhaps (or perhaps not) supporting whoever they are (which happens to be Obama - 'nuff said on that).

The guy from LA's 9/11 group said he's not interested in following politics, he's focusing on 9/11 and the "power centers". That sounds worthwhile too.

Until folks understand 9/11 they'll never see who's hiding in plain sight.

“President Bush has talked about our staying in Iraq for 50 years,” “Maybe a hundred ... ... that’d be fine with me,” McCain responds
Hillary: "I want the Iranians to know that if I'm the president, we will attack Iran in the next 10 years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them."

robin  posted on  2008-04-30   11:57:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#175. To: FOH (#173)

did you read Baldwin's piece on "Ron Paul's Israel Problem"?

No, I'll check it out.

MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist."
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2008-04-30   11:59:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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