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Title: Chuck Baldwin Defeats Alan Keyes for Constitution Party Nomination
Source: The LRC Blog
URL Source: http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/020719.html
Published: Apr 26, 2008
Author: Eric A. Garris
Post Date: 2008-04-26 14:33:38 by James Deffenbach
Keywords: None
Views: 1690
Comments: 201

Chuck Baldwin Defeats Alan Keyes for Constitution Party Nomination Posted by Eric A. Garris at April 26, 2008 10:11 AM

The Constitution Party just overwhelmingly defeated the warmongering neocon Alan Keyes by nominating Chuck Baldwin, 383 to 125.

Last night, CP founder Howard Phillips strongly denounced Keyes as a warmonger, neocon, and egomanic. Phillips was subsequently attacked by Jim Clymer, the CP national chairman.

In spite of Keyes bringing in a lot of delegates, the CP remained true to their anti-interventionist views and rejected Keyes.

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#144. To: James Deffenbach (#0)

This just in, courtesy of the Missouri Constitution Party:

KANSAS CITY, MO–”At its national convention, Pastor Chuck Baldwin has accepted the Constitution Party’s nomination for President of the United States.

“Pastor Baldwin is a minister, author, radio talk show host, and syndicated columnist. He was also the Constitution Party’s 2004 Vice-Presidential candidate.

“To see Pastor Baldwin’s stands on the issues (including pro-life and pro-family), as well as more thorough biographical information, click here.

“The party’s vice-presidential candidate will be nominated at the convention later today.”

[STLtoday.com] At KC convention, Constitution Party picks pastor for president

04/26/2008 2:30 pm

FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   23:40:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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Chuck Baldwin Wins Constitution Party Nomination Posted on 04.26.08 by Austin Cassidy @ 5:28 pm

Pastor Chuck Baldwin, and former 2004 VP candidate, won the Constitution Party’s nomination for Presidential today. He defeated former Ambassador Alan Keyes by a margin of 384 to 126 delegates.

This is not much of a surprise, considering that Howard Phillips, the founder of the Constitution Party, gave a speech to the convention yesterday blasting Keyes as a political opportunist.

Keyes seems like the kind of guy who doesn’t take losing very well. It wouldn’t surprise me if we now see him try and form his own party, run as an independent, or go after another nomination - maybe from the nearly-defunct Reform Party.

No word yet on who the Constitution Party will nominate for Vice-President.

Keyes and his minions sliced up Ron Paul, now they're already on the warpath for the Constitution Party...what a bunch of loons.

This should be fun...

FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   23:44:17 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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Constitutionally Contentious

By W. James Antle III


Published 4/21/2008 12:08:30 AM

In the grand tradition of the Boston Tea Party, Tax Day is as good a time as any to begin a struggle for independence. Perhaps that's why perennial candidate Alan Keyes picked April 15 to announce his departure from the Republican Party, though a cheeky blogger for the Los Angeles Times had a slightly different take: "Alan Keyes officially leaves GOP and hardly anyone notices."

Keyes certainly didn't have a noticeable impact on the 2008 Republican presidential primaries, where his highly unorthodox campaign made both his 43-point loss to Barack Obama in the 2004 Illinois Senate race and his 42-point defeat by Barbara Mikulski during a 1992 Maryland Senate run seem like successes by comparison. Keyes spent much of his time campaigning in Texas, where he won just 0.62 percent of the vote. His best showing was in the Kansas caucus, where he received 1.5 percent. Keyes's bizarre performance at the Des Moines Register debate before the Iowa caucuses was the first -- and last -- time he made news during his GOP run.

This week, Keyes is expected to make a bid for the Constitution Party's presidential nomination, which will be determined at the party's national convention in Kansas City, Missouri, on Friday and Saturday. "If Dr. Keyes's positions on the issues square up with the CP platform we'd be thrilled to have him represent us and offer Americans a choice that the other 'Big Box' parties don't," says Constitution Party communications director Mary Starrett. But there is no guarantee that Keyes will be finding electoral success in his new party either.

At first glance, Keyes ought to be a good fit for the Constitution Party. Both are unapologetically pro-life and animated by Christian conservative issues. Both favor the abolition of the income tax. Keyes has in the past addressed the party's gatherings, hobnobbed with its leaders, and championed many of their political causes. But the Constitution Party is predominantly paleoconservative and Keyes isn't exactly.

Many Constitution Party members are former Pat Buchanan Republicans. Veteran leader and three-time presidential candidate Howard Phillips thrice sought to have Buchanan run on the party's national ticket. The bad blood between the Buchanan brigades and the Keyesters dates back to the 1996 Republican primaries, when many of the former saw Keyes as a stalking horse out to siphon pro-life, socially conservative votes away from Buchanan. Keyes took 7 percent in the Iowa caucuses, for example, where Bob Dole only beat Buchanan by three points.

Other party members point to philosophical differences with Keyes. Trent Hill of the Louisiana Constitution Party told me in an e-mail that Keyes "is a good man" who will be "respected and welcomed by all within the party." But he expressed concerns about Keyes's "interventionist leanings" when it comes to foreign policy. "Also at issue, especially with some of the more philosophically astute delegates, is that Keyes is a friend of William Kristol's, a student of [Harvey] Mansfield's, and a follower of [Leo] Strauss,'" Hill wrote. "As I'm sure you're aware, this is a neoconservative crowd, and the neoconservatives are the diametric opposites of the paleoconservatives (at least within the conservative spectrum)."


THE BIGGEST issue separating Keyes from the Constitution Party is the Iraq war. Keyes has said that he would not have picked Iraq as the next target in the war on terror, but supported the president's policy in debates with Obama four years ago and would not withdraw U.S. troops today. His new party, however favors a noninterventionist foreign policy and opposes the war. This is not an insignificant difference of opinion.

Ricardo Davis, the state party chairman for Georgia, says any attempt to abandon the antiwar stance will go over about as well as the New Coke. "What if I was the new CEO of a midsized company and decided embark on a strategy to sell a 'me too' product that negates the company's unique sales proposition?" he asks. "What if that sales proposition is held dear by most of the sales and marketing management in the company? What do you think will happen to that company as I try to change the company's direction? A train wreck would look prettier!"

Some of the people Keyes might bring with him into the Constitution Party aren't budging in their support for the war, either. A poster on Keyes's web forum argues that "the CP expresses the same naive view as my long time congressional hero Ron Paul did" and questions why a Christian political party wouldn't "understand the nature of the enemy."

Is Keyes cooked? "What you run into are a lot of single-issue pro-lifers who view Alan Keyes as a positive name," says Red Phillips, a paleoconservative who opposes Keyes's nomination. Phillips also worries that other party members will want a well known presidential candidate. "There's talk about us crossing the million vote threshold if we nominate Keyes," he says. "I don't think that's very realistic, since not even Pat Buchanan got a million votes [as the Reform Party nominee] in 2000."

Chuck Baldwin, a pastor and columnist who was the Constitution Party's 2004 vice presidential nominee, has said he will accept the nomination if offered. Baldwin is unlikely to carry his party across the 200,000 vote threshold, much less one million. If neither Ron Paul nor "Ten Commandments" Judge Roy Moore are open to being drafted, Keyes would be the biggest name in the race -- the best political position he's been in since winning a 14-candidate Maryland GOP primary in 1992 -- and yet he's still no shoo-in.

Last Thursday, Keyes took part in a conference call with state Constitution Party leaders. Instead of smoothing over their differences on the Iraq war and other issues, at least one participant remembers Keyes being more interested in talking than listening. "I appreciate that Alan speaks his mind," says Davis. "But he is seeking our nomination, not the other way around."

During Keyes's first presidential campaign, Rich Lowry observed, "His unmatched skill in impassioned oratory is accompanied by a deficit in more mundane political abilities, such as listening, glad-handing, and gauging his effect on those around him." That was the talented Dr. Keyes's downfall in the Republican Party. The problem may have followed him into the Constitution Party as well.


W. James Antle III is associate editor of The American Spectator.

American Spectator

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Constitution Party stunner: Chuck Baldwin KOs firebrand Alan Keyes

EV=Zipperhead

To: Petronski

THAT is gonna leave a mark.

Not really.

It was because it was full of a bunch of Ron Paul, Lew Rockwell, "noninterventionist" nonsense, and Alan insisted on telling them the whole truth about the realities of the Constitution, our role in the world, and what must be done to keep our country from being destroyed.

Alan gave them a shot at taking advantage of the historic opportunity that is in front of us, and they weren't up to it.

The Constitution Party is worthless, and won't have any impact on this election whatsoever. Baldwin will be lucky to get as many votes as Peroutka did four years ago.

22 posted on Saturday, April 26, 2008 7:56:48 PM by EternalVigilance ("You cannot defend life if you give up the means of that defense." - Alan Keyes)

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To: Reaganesque

Actually, I’m extremely happy it turned out the way it did. For many years, the illusion that the CP was a fallback position for Reagan conservatives has been part of a lot of our thinking. Now that mistaken notion is gone, gone, gone.

It was a rough month having to deal with them, but it was worth it. Dr. Keyes performed magnificently, and his people all across the country got a real education.


30 posted on Saturday, April 26, 2008 8:15:30 PM

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Lowlife, bottom-feeding pondscum.

I wonder which trough they will target next...?

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