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Title: Chuck Baldwin Defeats Alan Keyes for Constitution Party Nomination
Source: The LRC Blog
URL Source: http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/020719.html
Published: Apr 26, 2008
Author: Eric A. Garris
Post Date: 2008-04-26 14:33:38 by James Deffenbach
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Views: 1595
Comments: 201

Chuck Baldwin Defeats Alan Keyes for Constitution Party Nomination Posted by Eric A. Garris at April 26, 2008 10:11 AM

The Constitution Party just overwhelmingly defeated the warmongering neocon Alan Keyes by nominating Chuck Baldwin, 383 to 125.

Last night, CP founder Howard Phillips strongly denounced Keyes as a warmonger, neocon, and egomanic. Phillips was subsequently attacked by Jim Clymer, the CP national chairman.

In spite of Keyes bringing in a lot of delegates, the CP remained true to their anti-interventionist views and rejected Keyes.

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#119. To: FOH (#77)

I hearby move that 4um link to the Constitution Party and throw our support officially from Ron Paul and the GOP and to Chuck Baldwin and a REAL 3rd Party for Constitutional-Conservative-minded governance! Banners, the whole works! Can I get a 2nd? an Amen?!

yes, great idea!

christine  posted on  2008-04-26   19:14:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#120. To: Dakmar, FOH (#118)

Green on the outside, red on the inside.

buckeye  posted on  2008-04-26   19:14:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#121. To: buckeye (#116)

Spontaneous combustion might be observed in more than one "institute." But they'd have an answer for neutralizing the power of his presidency.

Screw them, it's too late, now I want a Unitarian president, I think.

And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot

Dakmar  posted on  2008-04-26   19:17:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#122. To: buckeye, FOH (#120)

Green on the outside, red on the inside.

Of course. I'd have known that had I not been drinking heavily all day.

And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot

Dakmar  posted on  2008-04-26   19:19:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#123. To: Dakmar (#122)

One reason I supported Ron Paul was that he was circumspect regarding his strong religious beliefs.

buckeye  posted on  2008-04-26   19:21:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#124. To: buckeye (#123)

If God chooses to spare the nation awhile longer, let Him I say...brb.

GOOD TO SEE YOU BUCKEYE !!


FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   19:23:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#125. To: buckeye (#123) (Edited)

One reason I respect Dr Paul is that he doesn't make an issue of his religious beliefs.

There's nothing creepier than watching someone like Newt Gingrich lead a prayer vigil.

And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot

Dakmar  posted on  2008-04-26   19:24:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#126. To: FOH (#124)

Good to see you, too. I'm also glad to see that you've got a cause to support. I'm looking forward to learning more about Baldwin from your posts.

buckeye  posted on  2008-04-26   19:26:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#127. To: christine (#119)

yes, great idea!

Let's see what Baldwin2008's site looks like and where they post it !! Should be soon...


FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   19:38:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#128. To: buckeye (#126)

#9 up above would be a good place to start!

More Chuck Baldwin


FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   19:40:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#129. To: Dakmar, buckeye (#122)

Green on the outside, red on the inside.

Of course. I'd have known that had I not been drinking heavily all day.

(watermelon)

Heheheh, sometimes they're just pink on the inside, but if they sit out in the sun too long they do get red/ripe...


FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   19:41:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#130. To: FOH (#77)

Can I get a 2nd? an Amen?!

Here.

Barry Obama -- In your heart, you know he's wrong.

Old Fud  posted on  2008-04-26   20:58:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#131. To: Old Fud (#130)

McCain Madness


by Chuck Baldwin
February 8, 2008




A few weeks before Super Tuesday, my friend Howard Phillips asked me who I thought the Republican Presidential nominee would be. I predicted John McCain. With the results of Super Tuesday now history, most political pundits are also predicting that the Arizona senator will gain the Republican nomination for President. And with Mitt Romney now out of the race, McCain is all but assured the nomination. One did not need to be a seer to figure this one out.

For one thing, President George W. Bush all but destroyed whatever conservative influence was left in the GOP. Peggy Noonan is right about that.
(See http://online.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB120120952618514493.html )

Furthermore, the capitulation and compromise of principle by the Religious Right has also significantly sealed the death warrant of conservatism within the GOP. For the sake of not offending George Bush or losing whatever seat at the table the various leaders of the Religious Right felt they had, their spirit of resistance waned to the point that the very name "Christian Conservative" has lost all meaning, not to mention power.

As a result, Republicans have come to accept Big Government, runaway federal spending, the Welfare State, the Warfare State, the Nanny State, empire-building, gargantuan trade and budget deficits, warrantless eavesdropping, the loss of 4th Amendment rights, ad infinitum, ad nauseam.

Therefore, how could anyone expect the vast majority of Republican voters to suddenly rediscover a huge commitment of conviction to conservative principles? Add to that question the fact that there is only one true conservative/constitutionalist who made it to the Republican primaries: Congressman Ron Paul. And virtually the entire media and political establishment pummeled Congressman Paul to the point that his limited success in the race can be categorized as nothing short of miraculous.

Make no mistake about it: the establishment wants one of its own to succeed George Bush. In order for that to happen, they must manipulate the primaries to ensure that, no matter who wins in November, one of their fellow elitists will still wield power in Washington, D.C. On the Democratic side, both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama fit the bill. And on the Republican side, John McCain is the ultimate insider.

A long-standing member of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), John McCain will pursue the goals and ambitions of the globalists with a vengeance. As Pat Buchanan said recently, "John McCain will make Dick Cheney look like Gandhi." Buchanan is right on with that prediction.

Despite a liberal, Big Government track record, many Republican "conservatives" who have always been critical of John McCain are already beginning to warm up to him, feeling that his nomination is inevitable. Include in this list such notables as Grover Norquist, Tony Perkins, and fellow CFR member Richard Land.

Fortunately, not all of the conservative "talking heads" have jumped on the McCain bandwagon. Include in this list: Ann Coulter, who said she would campaign for Hillary Clinton if McCain is the Republican nominee; James Dobson, who said he would never vote for John McCain--no matter what; and Mr. Republican Cheerleader himself, Rush Limbaugh.

Then there is Mike Huckabee: the candidate to whom the evangelical George Bush robots have gravitated. Huckabee is every bit the Big Government liberal that is John McCain. In fact, Huckabee and McCain have developed a very close friendship, according to numerous sources. Many are even predicting that Huckabee will be McCain's running mate, in order to dupe evangelicals into accepting the McCain candidacy. (I have been saying this myself for months.) Even Rob Schenck said this about Huckabee: "After careful and prayerful consideration, I have concluded that an evangelical vote for Mike Huckabee is a vote for John McCain, and a vote for John McCain will be a disaster for this country."

But just who is this man, John McCain?

John McCain's father and grandfather were both admirals in the U.S. Navy. John was schooled in one of the most elite boarding schools in America. He graduated from the Naval Academy where he ranked 894th out of 899 students.

According to Joel Skousen's World Affairs Brief, February 1, 2008, "[John McCain] used nepotism to get ahead: When he was rejected by the National War College, he used his father's contacts with the Secretary of the Navy to make them reconsider." Skousen also notes that "McCain cheated on his first wife after she had a severe accident. He then divorced her and married his multi-millionaire mistress, whose daddy bought McCain a spot in the Congress."

It has also never been explained why the son and grandson of Navy admirals would not rise to the rank of Admiral himself. (He exited the Navy as a Captain.) Was it his numerous adulterous affairs or his violent temper? Or both?

John McCain's biographer Robert Timberg chronicles McCain's numerous sexual affairs with subordinates both when he was an Executive Officer and later Squadron Commander. Obviously, such fraternization is a violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

Skousen and many others have chronicled McCain's violent temper. Even as a young man, McCain was "a strikingly violent man." Timberg quotes McCain describing his propensity for violence, even as a youngster, saying, "At the smallest provocation I would go off into a mad frenzy, and then suddenly crash to the floor unconscious."

McCain says his vicious temper was transformed after being held as a Prisoner of War by the North Vietnamese. There is no doubt that John McCain was tortured by his Vietnamese captors, but it also seems clear, by both the written and oral records of many, that McCain spent the bulk of his captivity collaborating with his captors.

It is more than interesting that former POW John McCain would use the power of his senate seat to stop the investigation and pursuit of American MIAs in Vietnam. What would possess a former naval officer to do such a thing? In fact, a group of Vietnam veterans has uploaded a web page dedicated to exposing the truth regarding John McCain's record on this matter. See it at http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/

That John McCain still has a vicious temper is well known. We can all remember him singing "Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran," to the tune of the Beach Boys hit song "Barbara Ann." He also said North Korea should be threatened with "extinction." He often boasts of America's 100-year war with Iraq and talks of pursuing enemies "to the gates of hell." There is no doubt, John McCain is one mad man.

Furthermore, McCain's position on a host of issues is extremely problematic for the future of America. On immigration, John McCain joined with Ted Kennedy to sponsor an amnesty bill for illegal aliens. He voted to give social security dollars to illegal aliens. His Hispanic Outreach Director, Juan Hernandez, is a dual American-Mexican citizen widely known for his "Mexico First" declarations.

He repeatedly voted against the Bush tax cuts. He co-authored the McCain/Feingold campaign finance bill that was ruled to be an unconstitutional infringement of the First Amendment. Regarding the Second Amendment, the president of the NRA called John McCain the "worst 2nd Amendment candidate," and Gun Owners of America gives McCain a grade of F-.

John McCain co-sponsored the energy tax bill (along with his senate buddy Joe Lieberman), which would dramatically increase the cost of gasoline. He supports radical global warming legislation. He joined with Democrats (Gang of 14) to block the attempt to confirm conservative, strict constructionist judges. In 2000, he called Christian leaders "agents of intolerance." He has received the endorsement of the pro-abortion Republicans for Choice Political Action Committee. And let's not forget that John McCain was ringleader of the infamous Keating Five ethical scandal, which cost taxpayers more than $160 billion.

Consider, too, the top donors to John McCain's campaign. One will find many of the same multinational corporations that support Democrats Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton also supporting John McCain. Include in this list Goldman Sachs, Citigroup, Lehman Brothers, and JP Morgan Chase & Co. (By comparison, the top contributors to Ron Paul's campaign are [in order]: 1. Members of the U.S. Army, 2. Members of the U.S. Navy, 3. Members of the U.S. Air Force.) Source: http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.asp?id=N00005906&cycle=2008

(And, in case one is interested, the same big Arkansas conglomerates that supported Bill Clinton also support Mike Huckabee.) Source: http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.asp?id=N00007539&cycle=2008

Even New York Post D.C. Bureau Chief Charles Hurt wrote, "[I]f history is any guide, the McCain we've seen of late on the campaign trail is the most conservative McCain we'll ever see."

To vote for John McCain is madness!

Therefore, both social and fiscal conservatives--along with evangelical Christians--will have no one from either the Republican or Democrat parties for whom to vote this November. What, then, will they do? To vote for the "lesser of two evils" is no longer a legitimate option. There is no lesser in a McCain versus Clinton/Obama race. In fact, Ann Coulter might be right that in such a race, Hillary is the lesser of two evils.

What, then, are we to do?

First, Ron Paul should abandon his bid for the Republican nomination and declare himself a candidate for the Constitution Party nomination. If he did, he would doubtless receive the nomination and his campaign would continue to build excitement, donations, and momentum right up to November. (Ron Paul's supporters should do everything they can to influence Dr. Paul to shake off the dust of the GOP and lead his fellow constitutionalists on a mighty crusade for a Third Party victory!)

Should Ron Paul decide to remain in the McCain-led GOP, conservatives and constitutionalists should rally around the most viable option available to them. And that option is to support the Constitution Party nominee, whoever he is. (They will select their nominee in April in Kansas City, Missouri.) As the nation's third largest political party, the CP has the potential to be on all 50 state ballots and it is absolutely certain that the CP will nominate a constitutionalist candidate in the similitude of Ron Paul.

One thing is certain: with John McCain as the GOP standard-bearer, Christian conservatives and constitutionalists cannot vote for either the Republican or Democrat candidate this year. Staying home and not voting is an admission of defeat and should be dismissed out-of-hand.

2008 just might be the year to break the two-party stranglehold on American politics and vote for an independent conservative constitutionalist. And the platform and vehicle for this revolution already exists in the Constitution Party. ( http://www.constitutionparty.com/ )

*If you enjoyed this column and want to help me distribute these editorial opinions to an ever-growing audience, please send your check or Money Order to:

Chuck Baldwin Live
P.O. Box 37070

Pensacola, Florida 32526

© Chuck Baldwin


FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   21:04:34 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#132. To: James Deffenbach (#0)

Chuck has my support. He was the only public Christian voice to make the case for RP. If others had followed their consciences, RP might be the front runner. Instead, they are sheepishly lining up behind McAnus, and their flocks follow as though McAnus will do their bidding. Pitiful.

Barry Obama -- In your heart, you know he's wrong.

Old Fud  posted on  2008-04-26   21:06:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#133. To: Old Fud (#132)

I'm a stone atheist and even I would rather see a truly faithful man like Baldwin elected to high office than these evil poseurs we're inevitably stuck with. On the other hand, Hillary lecturing me about the sin of smoking a doob while she's laying waste to Iran is sure to make many more people sit up and take notice.

And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot

Dakmar  posted on  2008-04-26   21:19:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#134. To: Dakmar (#133)

On the other hand, Hillary lecturing me about the sin of smoking a doob while she's laying waste to Iran is sure to make many more people sit up and take notice.

I would hope that would be the case, but on both 'sides' the masses are freaking dug-in-brain-dead.

IMHO, Baldwin *is not* on a theocracy rampage. He has simply shined the light on the stone cold truth, which is not inconsistent with his own Christian beliefs. He's a limited gub man, because that's the only way freedoms are preserved, religious and otherwise. Whether or not he may pray to Jesus publicly, such will not be be the straw that breaks the country's back.

Barry Obama -- In your heart, you know he's wrong.

Old Fud  posted on  2008-04-26   22:25:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#135. To: who knows what evil, Dakmar (#29)

I also think Paul Craig Roberts would make a wonderful POTUS.

Ooooooo...Baldwin/Roberts? The mind boggles...

cool

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-04-26   22:49:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#136. To: FOH (#88)

Ohhhhhhhhhh Ahhhhhhhhh... pretty!!! :) !!!

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-26   23:08:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#137. To: James Deffenbach (#90)

One mentioned that unless McCain recieves enough delegates, the nomination process could wind up in court. Yeah, and wouldn't that just be a "tarble thang"? ahaha.

Sho' wud. LOL!

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-26   23:11:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#138. To: James Deffenbach (#0)

I have a huge problem with Chuck so I won't be voting for him. Might vote for Barr, still not sure yet.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-04-26   23:14:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#139. To: Peppa (#136)


FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   23:17:39 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#140. To: RickyJ (#138)

I don't know that you could go wrong with Barr...he sure made a turnaround.


FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   23:18:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#141. To: Old Fud (#134) (Edited)

Constitution Party National Platform


FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   23:20:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#142. To: FOH (#139)

A smiley face!

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-26   23:24:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#143. To: Peppa (#142)

Ain't that special!


FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   23:28:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#144. To: James Deffenbach (#0)

This just in, courtesy of the Missouri Constitution Party:

KANSAS CITY, MO–”At its national convention, Pastor Chuck Baldwin has accepted the Constitution Party’s nomination for President of the United States.

“Pastor Baldwin is a minister, author, radio talk show host, and syndicated columnist. He was also the Constitution Party’s 2004 Vice-Presidential candidate.

“To see Pastor Baldwin’s stands on the issues (including pro-life and pro-family), as well as more thorough biographical information, click here.

“The party’s vice-presidential candidate will be nominated at the convention later today.”

[STLtoday.com] At KC convention, Constitution Party picks pastor for president

04/26/2008 2:30 pm


FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   23:40:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#145. To: All (#144)

Chuck Baldwin Wins Constitution Party Nomination Posted on 04.26.08 by Austin Cassidy @ 5:28 pm

Pastor Chuck Baldwin, and former 2004 VP candidate, won the Constitution Party’s nomination for Presidential today. He defeated former Ambassador Alan Keyes by a margin of 384 to 126 delegates.

This is not much of a surprise, considering that Howard Phillips, the founder of the Constitution Party, gave a speech to the convention yesterday blasting Keyes as a political opportunist.

Keyes seems like the kind of guy who doesn’t take losing very well. It wouldn’t surprise me if we now see him try and form his own party, run as an independent, or go after another nomination - maybe from the nearly-defunct Reform Party.

No word yet on who the Constitution Party will nominate for Vice-President.

Keyes and his minions sliced up Ron Paul, now they're already on the warpath for the Constitution Party...what a bunch of loons.

This should be fun...


FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   23:44:17 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#146. To: All (#145)

Constitutionally Contentious

By W. James Antle III


Published 4/21/2008 12:08:30 AM

In the grand tradition of the Boston Tea Party, Tax Day is as good a time as any to begin a struggle for independence. Perhaps that's why perennial candidate Alan Keyes picked April 15 to announce his departure from the Republican Party, though a cheeky blogger for the Los Angeles Times had a slightly different take: "Alan Keyes officially leaves GOP and hardly anyone notices."

Keyes certainly didn't have a noticeable impact on the 2008 Republican presidential primaries, where his highly unorthodox campaign made both his 43-point loss to Barack Obama in the 2004 Illinois Senate race and his 42-point defeat by Barbara Mikulski during a 1992 Maryland Senate run seem like successes by comparison. Keyes spent much of his time campaigning in Texas, where he won just 0.62 percent of the vote. His best showing was in the Kansas caucus, where he received 1.5 percent. Keyes's bizarre performance at the Des Moines Register debate before the Iowa caucuses was the first -- and last -- time he made news during his GOP run.

This week, Keyes is expected to make a bid for the Constitution Party's presidential nomination, which will be determined at the party's national convention in Kansas City, Missouri, on Friday and Saturday. "If Dr. Keyes's positions on the issues square up with the CP platform we'd be thrilled to have him represent us and offer Americans a choice that the other 'Big Box' parties don't," says Constitution Party communications director Mary Starrett. But there is no guarantee that Keyes will be finding electoral success in his new party either.

At first glance, Keyes ought to be a good fit for the Constitution Party. Both are unapologetically pro-life and animated by Christian conservative issues. Both favor the abolition of the income tax. Keyes has in the past addressed the party's gatherings, hobnobbed with its leaders, and championed many of their political causes. But the Constitution Party is predominantly paleoconservative and Keyes isn't exactly.

Many Constitution Party members are former Pat Buchanan Republicans. Veteran leader and three-time presidential candidate Howard Phillips thrice sought to have Buchanan run on the party's national ticket. The bad blood between the Buchanan brigades and the Keyesters dates back to the 1996 Republican primaries, when many of the former saw Keyes as a stalking horse out to siphon pro-life, socially conservative votes away from Buchanan. Keyes took 7 percent in the Iowa caucuses, for example, where Bob Dole only beat Buchanan by three points.

Other party members point to philosophical differences with Keyes. Trent Hill of the Louisiana Constitution Party told me in an e-mail that Keyes "is a good man" who will be "respected and welcomed by all within the party." But he expressed concerns about Keyes's "interventionist leanings" when it comes to foreign policy. "Also at issue, especially with some of the more philosophically astute delegates, is that Keyes is a friend of William Kristol's, a student of [Harvey] Mansfield's, and a follower of [Leo] Strauss,'" Hill wrote. "As I'm sure you're aware, this is a neoconservative crowd, and the neoconservatives are the diametric opposites of the paleoconservatives (at least within the conservative spectrum)."


THE BIGGEST issue separating Keyes from the Constitution Party is the Iraq war. Keyes has said that he would not have picked Iraq as the next target in the war on terror, but supported the president's policy in debates with Obama four years ago and would not withdraw U.S. troops today. His new party, however favors a noninterventionist foreign policy and opposes the war. This is not an insignificant difference of opinion.

Ricardo Davis, the state party chairman for Georgia, says any attempt to abandon the antiwar stance will go over about as well as the New Coke. "What if I was the new CEO of a midsized company and decided embark on a strategy to sell a 'me too' product that negates the company's unique sales proposition?" he asks. "What if that sales proposition is held dear by most of the sales and marketing management in the company? What do you think will happen to that company as I try to change the company's direction? A train wreck would look prettier!"

Some of the people Keyes might bring with him into the Constitution Party aren't budging in their support for the war, either. A poster on Keyes's web forum argues that "the CP expresses the same naive view as my long time congressional hero Ron Paul did" and questions why a Christian political party wouldn't "understand the nature of the enemy."

Is Keyes cooked? "What you run into are a lot of single-issue pro-lifers who view Alan Keyes as a positive name," says Red Phillips, a paleoconservative who opposes Keyes's nomination. Phillips also worries that other party members will want a well known presidential candidate. "There's talk about us crossing the million vote threshold if we nominate Keyes," he says. "I don't think that's very realistic, since not even Pat Buchanan got a million votes [as the Reform Party nominee] in 2000."

Chuck Baldwin, a pastor and columnist who was the Constitution Party's 2004 vice presidential nominee, has said he will accept the nomination if offered. Baldwin is unlikely to carry his party across the 200,000 vote threshold, much less one million. If neither Ron Paul nor "Ten Commandments" Judge Roy Moore are open to being drafted, Keyes would be the biggest name in the race -- the best political position he's been in since winning a 14-candidate Maryland GOP primary in 1992 -- and yet he's still no shoo-in.

Last Thursday, Keyes took part in a conference call with state Constitution Party leaders. Instead of smoothing over their differences on the Iraq war and other issues, at least one participant remembers Keyes being more interested in talking than listening. "I appreciate that Alan speaks his mind," says Davis. "But he is seeking our nomination, not the other way around."

During Keyes's first presidential campaign, Rich Lowry observed, "His unmatched skill in impassioned oratory is accompanied by a deficit in more mundane political abilities, such as listening, glad-handing, and gauging his effect on those around him." That was the talented Dr. Keyes's downfall in the Republican Party. The problem may have followed him into the Constitution Party as well.


W. James Antle III is associate editor of The American Spectator.

American Spectator


FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   23:53:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#147. To: All (#146)

Freakerville Update: alanoids go into meltdown...more to come

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    Former Republican presidential candidate Alan Keyes has chosen April 15 to make a major announcement of his intentions, following indications he has broken with the GOP. A life-long Republican who has increasingly cited the party's failure to match conservative rhetoric with actual performance in the political arena, Keyes said he will reveal his reasons for departing the GOP at a press conference scheduled for 8:30 pm ET, at the Best Western Genetti Inn in Hazleton, PA. The event will be video-streamed live at Keyes' website, www.AlanKeyes.com. Keyes added that he is looking to the Constitution Party as a possible home...


FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   23:58:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#148. To: All (#147)

Constitution Party stunner: Chuck Baldwin KOs firebrand Alan Keyes

EV=Zipperhead

To: Petronski

THAT is gonna leave a mark.

Not really.

It was because it was full of a bunch of Ron Paul, Lew Rockwell, "noninterventionist" nonsense, and Alan insisted on telling them the whole truth about the realities of the Constitution, our role in the world, and what must be done to keep our country from being destroyed.

Alan gave them a shot at taking advantage of the historic opportunity that is in front of us, and they weren't up to it.

The Constitution Party is worthless, and won't have any impact on this election whatsoever. Baldwin will be lucky to get as many votes as Peroutka did four years ago.

22 posted on Saturday, April 26, 2008 7:56:48 PM by EternalVigilance ("You cannot defend life if you give up the means of that defense." - Alan Keyes)

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FOH  posted on  2008-04-27   0:02:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#149. To: All (#148)

To: Reaganesque

Actually, I’m extremely happy it turned out the way it did. For many years, the illusion that the CP was a fallback position for Reagan conservatives has been part of a lot of our thinking. Now that mistaken notion is gone, gone, gone.

It was a rough month having to deal with them, but it was worth it. Dr. Keyes performed magnificently, and his people all across the country got a real education.


30 posted on Saturday, April 26, 2008 8:15:30 PM

by EternalVigilance ("You cannot defend life if you give up the means of that defense." - Alan Keyes)

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Lowlife, bottom-feeding pondscum.

I wonder which trough they will target next...?


FOH  posted on  2008-04-27   0:03:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#150. To: All (#149)

To: Petronski
Spin it.

Nope. Folks who actually followed the progress of the whole series of events of the last month - mostly by the means we provided, such as wall-to-wall live streaming - know I'm simply giving a factual account of the death wish and death throes of the CP.

The Constitution Party's "Ron Paul disease" has metastasized.


38 posted on Saturday, April 26, 2008 8:22:28 PM by EternalVigilance ("You cannot defend life if you give up the means of that defense." - Alan Keyes)

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A zero, zilch, zippo...


FOH  posted on  2008-04-27   0:06:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#151. To: All (#150)

To: Petronski
"Tom Hoefling of Lohrville, Iowa, Keyes' national political director."

ROTFLMAO! Ol' Tom must have a man crush on Alan because that's the only way anyone would take this gig.

How does he keep the names of all three supporters straight?


46 posted on Saturday, April 26, 2008 8:40:25 PM by stravinskyrules (Why is it that whenever I hear a piece of music I don't like, it's always by Villa-Lobos?)

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To: stravinskyrules

Who you voting for, newbie?

That’s me that was quoted, for the record.


51 posted on Saturday, April 26, 2008 9:00:01 PM

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For the record, Eternal Vigilance aka Tom Hoelfing is out of his mind...


FOH  posted on  2008-04-27   0:09:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#152. To: All (#151)

To: ovrtaxt

Because the CP is full of a bunch of racist, xenophobic, religious fanatics?

70 posted on Saturday, April 26, 2008 10:11:58 PM by Antonio C (God bless John McCain, George W. Bush, and our troops) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

Nothing's changed much over at Freakerville!!

LOLOL

What a pantload bunch of grifters and voyeurs...


FOH  posted on  2008-04-27   0:12:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#153. To: All (#152)

Media coverage of the Constitution Party convention

I appreciate Trent Hill, Mike Ferguson and Stephen Gordon’s eyewitness coverage of the Constitution Party convention. I thought folks might be interested in other media’s reporting. The Muskegon Chronicle ran a story today on Mad Max Riekse who is seeking the vice-presidential nomination. The St. Joseph News-Press ran a story on Thursday on the convention that mistakenly treated the nomination of Alan Keyes as a foregone conclusion. Former Constitution Party candidate for US Senate, Mark Dankof had an editorial published today in Al Bawaba that applauds the Constitution Party for their selection of Chuck Baldwin over Alan Keyes:

This weekend in Kansas City, the Constitution Party delegates offered a choice, not a Zionist-inspired echo. God bless them. God bless the Old American Republic. And God bless a Godly-man named Chuck Baldwin. Go get, ‘em, Chuck.

A Two-Party Death Grip


by Chuck Baldwin
February 15, 2008



It is time to say it: the two major parties hold a death grip on the American people. Instead of representing the people, both the Republican and Democrat parties are bought and paid for by special interest groups and multinational corporations. Neither party pays any attention to the U.S. Constitution but both are largely marching in lockstep toward bigger and bigger government. Both Republicans and Democrats eagerly sacrifice what's good for the country for what's good for the party. As they now exist, neither major party deserves the support of patriotic Americans.

Furthermore, blind allegiance to the two major parties has created a "lesser of two evils" mindset that has warped the thinking and perverted the values of otherwise good people. What people would never accept in any other venue of society, they gladly and willingly accept from their chosen party's candidates.

People expect honesty and integrity from clergymen, bankers, doctors, businessmen, realtors, journalists, and even used car salesmen. Those same people, however, quickly tolerate and even excuse dishonesty and chicanery from their chosen political party.

Ever since George W. Bush became President of these United States, I have watched in disbelief as my fellow Christian conservatives have not only looked the other way as Bush repeatedly betrayed conservative/constitutional principles, but have willingly and enthusiastically supported his apostasy. Many of them are continuing to do the same thing by supporting the Big-Government, pro-amnesty, pro-gun control, pro-100-year war, grubby candidacy of John McCain. Good grief! Pat Robertson even endorsed the soiled candidacy of the liberal cross-dresser, Rudy Giuliani.

It is clear, therefore, that conservatives are more than willing to support and defend someone they know to be unfaithful to both their oath of office and to bedrock conservative principles. In other words, it does not matter a whit to them whether their candidate tells the truth, obeys the Constitution, or even demonstrates fidelity to the fundamental principles of liberty. If he has an "R" behind his name, conservatives will support him.

However, the same people who will justify dishonesty in the lives of their favored party's politicians would never accept such conduct from anyone else. Furthermore, many of these conservatives actually call themselves Christians; many are preachers. They preach and teach the virtues of honesty and integrity from the pulpit. They teach boys and girls to be honest and virtuous: to put the principles of right above personal wealth or benefit. Then, they turn around and support these lying politicians, many of whom are fornicating, greedy, arrogant reprobates. What is even more amazing is that they find no inconsistency with what they are doing.

In his Farewell Address, our first and greatest President, George Washington, eloquently lobbied the American people to guard against over-infatuation with political parties. Anyone reading his warnings today will be impressed with his insight and wisdom. Virtually everything he predicted has come to pass. Blind loyalty to political parties has corrupted our public institutions, blinded the hearts and minds of the American people, and opened wide the door to undue foreign influence.

If everyone who believes and teaches honesty and accountability would put it into practice when they walk into the voting booth, we could put a stop to this pathetic practice of electing dishonest and despicable people to high public office. Instead of hiding their own character and integrity under the bushel basket of party partisanship, voters could be proud of the fact that they are actually helping to set the ship of state aright by electing men and women of honesty and character.

Although I do not share this opinion, many people believe Abraham Lincoln to be one of America's greatest presidents (I think he was one of the worst). Personal opinion aside, it is a fact that Lincoln's election and subsequent influence upon this country was huge. Therefore, it is more than significant to realize that Lincoln was first elected from a four-person race with only 39% of the popular vote. Even more significant is the fact that at that time the Republican Party was a minor party, having been formed only a few years earlier. So much for the argument that a minor party cannot win a major election.

In practically every Presidential election, there are candidates from a variety of independent or "third" parties on the ballot. To ignore them merely because they are not Republicans or Democrats is absurd. Furthermore, it is more than obvious that the GOP will not tolerate principled candidates running for President. The recent Presidential candidacies of Duncan Hunter, Tom Tancredo, Alan Keyes, and Ron Paul make this abundantly clear.

While it may still be appropriate to support state and local Republican candidates, at the Presidential level, it is waste of time--and a wasted vote--to support the establishment Republican candidates. They are all Big-Government liberals. Yes, that includes Mike Huckabee.

I recommend that people seriously consider voting for a Third Party candidate this November. Start by taking a close look at the Constitution Party.

http://www.constitutionparty.com/

The Constitution Party (the third largest political party in America) has a proven track record of fidelity to pro-life, conservative principles and to constitutional government. I further believe it is time for principled columnists and journalists such as Charley Reese to start encouraging voters to support principled, independent candidates. The same goes for leaders of the Religious Right such as Tony Perkins, James Dobson, and Phyllis Schlafly. For them to continue to ignore good, independent candidates only serves to strengthen and augment the two-party death grip.

It is more than interesting that more people are currently registered as Independents than either Republican or Democrat. But it is not enough to register as an Independent, we must start voting Independent. Remember, the object is to elect honest and honorable leaders for our country, not to promote and protect the private agendas of the fat cats who control the two major parties.

It increasingly appears that the two major parties will force the American people to choose between the fascistic John McCain or the Marxist Barack Obama. Is that really the kind of choice we are willing to accept? Are we really content to continue to vote the "party line," no matter what damage results?

Let's face it, folks: the two major parties are strangling the life out of this country. It is indeed a death grip. Something drastic must be done, and it must be done NOW! Since it does not appear that either major party is salvageable (at the national level), it is up to "We the people" to take matters into our own hands. This means bypassing the mainstream press and relying more on the Internet for our news and information. And it means bypassing the two major parties and voting for Independent candidates for President.

If Michael Bloomberg throws his hat in the Presidential ring, it will already be a three-man race. A strong independent conservative contender would make it a viable four-man race (just like 1860). At that point, anything could happen. But first, we must awaken to the reality of the two-party death grip, and then decide to do something about it. I am ready. How about you?

*If you enjoyed this column and want to help me distribute these editorial opinions to an ever-growing audience, donations may now be made by credit card, check, or Money Order. Use this link:

http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/donate.php

© Chuck Baldwin

This column is archived as http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/c2008/cbarchive_20080215.html


FOH  posted on  2008-04-27   1:08:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#154. To: RickyJ (#138)

I have a huge problem with Chuck so I won't be voting for him. Might vote for Barr, still not sure yet.

I don't understand. I have read much of what Chuck has written over the years and haven't found anything in any of his public writings or statements to object to. What was it you found objectionable if you don't mind saying?

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-04-27   10:07:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#155. To: James Deffenbach (#0)

Good news (for a change)! I'm sure that Alan Keyes was a GOP plant sent into the CP to neuter it. CP supporters had the good sense to say "no" to neoconservatism.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-04-28   13:35:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#156. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#155)

Good news (for a change)! I'm sure that Alan Keyes was a GOP plant sent into the CP to neuter it. CP supporters had the good sense to say "no" to neoconservatism.

I never thought for one minute about voting for Alan Keyes for anything after that dumb@$$ statement he made about Michael New--twice the man (at least) that Keyes could hope to be.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-04-28   16:57:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#157. To: James Deffenbach (#156)

Keyes also favors slavery reparations in the form of a special tax cut for all blacks. Even Obama opposes slavery reparations, which puts Keyes in the same league of race panderers as Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-04-28   17:52:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#158. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#157)

Keyes also favors slavery reparations in the form of a special tax cut for all blacks. Even Obama opposes slavery reparations, which puts Keyes in the same league of race panderers as Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.

I guess he is just another poverty pimp. A bit better educated and a little more well spoken but just another flaming racist at heart. Why should white people be forced to pay descendants of black people for things that happened four or five hundred years ago and over which none of us had any control? It is absurd. And that is completely overlooking that if they had been left in Africa their life spans would be much shorter and it is highly unlikely that they would have ever had the kind of life there--most of them anyway--that most of their descendants have had here. Not saying I condone slavery because I don't and I think that many of the ills we have faced and will continue to face are a punishment for it (nationally I mean). Still it doesn't make sense to blame descendants for what their ancestors several generations back did or didn't do.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-04-28   17:59:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#159. To: James Deffenbach (#158)

Liberia bump


FOH  posted on  2008-04-28   18:44:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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