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Title: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens
Source: prisonplanet
URL Source: http://www.prisonplanet.com/article ... 008/020408_shoot_americans.htm
Published: Feb 4, 2008
Author: Paul Joseph Watson
Post Date: 2008-02-06 17:42:37 by Itisa1mosttoolate
Keywords: None
Views: 1289
Comments: 25

U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens

Prison Planet

Published: February 4, 2008 Author: Paul Joseph Watson

U.S. troops are being trained to conduct round-ups, confiscate guns and shoot American citizens, including their own friends and family members, as part of a long-standing program to prepare for the declaration of martial law, according to a soldier who recently returned from Iraq.

We received an e mail from "Scott", a member of a pipefitters union that runs an apprenticeship program called Helmets To Hard Hats, which according to its website, "Is a national program that connects National Guard, Reserve and transitioning active-duty military members with quality career training and employment opportunities within the construction industry."

Scott writes that his company hired a soldier who had recently returned from Iraq, who told him that U.S. troops were being quizzed on whether or not they would be prepared to shoot their own friends and family members during a national state of emergency in America.

"I have become very close to this young man and have gained his respect and trust," writes Scott. "I want you to know that he informed me about one particular training exercise his superiors made them perform. It was concerning the rounding up of American citizens that disobey any type of martial law or in other words any type of infringement on our freedoms."

"He was asked if he could shoot his friends or family members if ordered to do so. At the time he said he could," writes Scott.

Scott says that the soldier later "had time to clear his head" and realize the truth, recanting his vow to kill his own countrymen if ordered to do so.

The issue of whether U.S. troops would be prepared to round-up, disarm and if necessary shoot Americans who disobeyed orders during a state of martial law is a question that military chiefs have been attempting to answer for at least 15 years.

Its known origins can be traced back to an October 1994 Marine questionnaire out of the Twentynine Palms Marine Base in California. Recruits were asked 46 questions, including whether they would kill U.S. citizens who refused to surrender their firearms.

Documentary film maker Alex Jones brought to light similar training programs that were taking place across the country in the late 90's which revolved around U.S. Marines being trained to arrest American citizens and take them to internment camps.

During one such program in Oakland California, dubbed "Operation Urban Warrior," Marines refused to answer if they would target American citizens for gun confiscation if ordered to do so.

During hurricane Katrina, National Guard units were ordered to confiscate guns belonging to New Orleans residents.

As we first exposed in May 2006, Clergy Response Teams are being trained by the federal government and FEMA to "quell dissent" and pacify citizens to obey the government in the event of a declaration of martial law.

Pastors and other religious representatives are being taught to become secret police enforcers who teach their congregations to "obey the government" in preparation for the implementation of martial law, property and firearm seizures, mass vaccination programs and forced relocation.

Many scoffed at our original story, which was based on the testimony of a whistleblower who was asked to participate in the program. Claims that the story was a conspiracy theory soon evaporated when a mainstream KSLA news report confirmed the existence of the program.

The experiences of U.S. troops in the worst areas of Iraq, where soldiers are ordered to go door to door and arrest all men of military age as well as confiscate their weapons, is a mere portend of what is being planned for America if these training programs ever come to fruition.

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#1. To: Itisa1mosttoolate, *Jack-Booted Thugs* (#0)

U.S. troops are being trained to conduct round-ups, confiscate guns and shoot American citizens, including their own friends and family members, as part of a long-standing program to prepare for the declaration of martial law, according to a soldier who recently returned from Iraq.

Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! The Revolution will not be televised!
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robin  posted on  2008-02-06   17:48:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Itisa1mosttoolate, robin (#0)

Don't tase me bro.

buckeye  posted on  2008-02-06   18:19:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: buckeye, robin (#2)

The question is WHY is the Gov't asking that?

"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2008-02-06   18:26:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: robin (#1)

U.S. troops are being trained to conduct round-ups, confiscate guns and shoot American citizens, including their own friends and family members, as part of a long-standing program to prepare for the declaration of martial law, according to a soldier who recently returned from Iraq.

What the government fails to realize is that there are a hell of a lot more combat trained veterans than there are active duty and/or reserve and guard troops. If troops start shooting American citizens, all hell WILL break loose.

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2008-02-06   18:36:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#3)

The optimist would say that it's a test of their training. Are they paying attention to the rule of law, and are they maintaining their mental fortitude to resist outlaw commands — in other words, are they still of sound mind and conscience? The pessimist would say that it's conditioning for FEMA command.

It may be a bit of both, if this article is true. I've read others online writing about this kind of thing, as well. I don't know if it's true or not.

The military has a problem because it conditions its members to kill on command. This can go wrong. It knows about this, maintains psychologists to monitor it, and continually updates its approach to training because of it. They may literally be concerned with the things that you are concerned about.

Commanders who understand the agendas that Alex Jones discusses and who may not be willing to countermand them, may be interested in the results of these studies for nefarious reasons.

buckeye  posted on  2008-02-06   18:37:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#0)

Paul Joseph Watson

I'm not going to worry about this until it has been verified by someone with more credibility.

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2008-02-06   18:39:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#0) (Edited)

Nervous politicians and commanders who are afraid of planting a suggestion by asking the REAL QUESTION; "Would you shoot your commanding officer or a civilian policy maker because of the horrible dirty tricks we've pulled on you, like sending you home one day early to avoid extending full benefits despite the fact that you fulfilled your obligation and served a terrible, arduous tour of duty?"

"'Schools is educationy' ; A message from our president."

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-02-06   18:57:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: ALL - Twenty-nine Palms Survey (#7)

COMBAT ARMS SURVEY

This test was given to young enlisted combat Marines stationed at Twenty Nine Palms, California. It was called "Combat Arms Survey"

Please read all of the questions, but pay attention to questions 35, 39, 40, 42, 44, 45 and 46.

A test for the Military:

In March of 1995 a "Thesis on Peacekeeping and U.N. Operational Control: A Study of Their Effect On Unit Cohesion" by Ernest G. Cunningham, Lieutenant Commander, United States Navy was distributed to the following members of Congress: Senators Nickles, Santorum, Phil Gramm, Helms, Mack, Hatch and Representatives Dornan, Armey, Combest, Cunningham, Canady, and Gingrich.

This thesis on unit cohesion, under United Nations operational control, asked forty-six (46) questions of young enlisted combat Marines stationed at Twenty Nine Palms, California. It was called "Combat Arms Survey"

Please remember; this thesis was distributed to Republican leaders and again you and I have heard nothing from them.

COMBAT ARMS SURVEY

This questionnaire is to gather data concerning the attitudes of combat trained personnel with regards to nontraditional missions. All of your responses are confidential. Write your answers directly on the questionnaire form. In Part II, place an "X" in the space provided for your response.

Part I. Demographics

1. What service are you in?

2. What is your pay grade? (e.g. E-7, O-7)

3. What is your MOS code and description?

4. What is your highest level of education in years?

5. How many months did you serve in Operation Desert Storm/Desert Shield?

6. How many months did you serve in Somalia?

7. What state or country did you primarily reside in during childhood?

Part II. Attitudes

Do you feel that U.S. Combat troops should be used within the United States for any of the following missions?

8. Drug enforcement

( ) Strongly disagree ( ) Disagree ( ) Agree ( ) Strongly agree ( ) No opinion

9. Disaster relief (e.g. hurricanes, floods, fires, earthquakes)

( ) Strongly disagree ( ) Disagree ( ) Agree ( ) Strongly agree ( ) No opinion

10. Security at national events (e.g. Olympic Games, Super Bowl)

( ) Strongly disagree ( ) Disagree ( ) Agree ( ) Strongly agree ( ) No opinion

11. Environmental disaster clean-up

( ) Strongly disagree ( ) Disagree ( ) Agree ( ) Strongly agree ( ) No opinion

12. Substitute teachers in public schools

( ) Strongly disagree ( ) Disagree ( ) Agree ( ) Strongly agree ( ) No opinion

13. Community assistance programs (e.g. landscaping, environmental clean-up, road repair, animal control)

( ) Strongly disagree ( ) Disagree ( ) Agree ( ) Strongly agree ( ) No opinion

14. Federal and state prison guards

( ) Strongly disagree ( ) Disagree ( ) Agree ( ) Strongly agree ( ) No opinion

15. National emergency police force

( ) Strongly disagree ( ) Disagree ( ) Agree ( ) Strongly agree ( ) No opinion

16. Advisors to S.W.A.T. units, the FBI or the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (B.A.T.F.)

( ) Strongly disagree ( ) Disagree ( ) Agree ( ) Strongly agree ( ) No opinion

17. Border patrol (e.g. prevention of illegal aliens into U.S. territory)

( ) Strongly disagree ( ) Disagree ( ) Agree ( ) Strongly agree ( ) No opinion

Do you feel that U.S. combat troops under U.S. command should be used in other countries for and of the following United Nations missions?

18. Drug enforcement

( ) Strongly disagree ( ) Disagree ( ) Agree ( ) Strongly agree ( ) No opinion

19. Disaster relief (e.g. hurricanes, floods, fires, earthquakes)

( ) Strongly disagree ( ) Disagree ( ) Agree ( ) Strongly agree ( ) No opinion

20. Environmental disaster clean-up

( ) Strongly disagree ( ) Disagree ( ) Agree ( ) Strongly agree ( ) No opinion

21. Peace keeping

( ) Strongly disagree ( ) Disagree ( ) Agree ( ) Strongly agree ( ) No opinion

22. Nation building (Reconstruct civil government, develop public school system, develop or improve public transportation system, etc.)

( ) Strongly disagree ( ) Disagree ( ) Agree ( ) Strongly agree ( ) No opinion

23. Humanitarian relief (e.g. food and medical supplies, temporary housing, and clothing)

( ) Strongly disagree ( ) Disagree ( ) Agree ( ) Strongly agree ( ) No opinion

Do you feel that U.S. combat troops should be used in other countries, under command of non-U.S. officers appointed by the United Nations for any of the following missions?

24. Drug enforcement

( ) Strongly disagree ( ) Disagree ( ) Agree ( ) Strongly agree ( ) No opinion

25. Disaster relief (e.g. hurricanes, floods, fires, earthquakes)

( ) Strongly disagree ( ) Disagree ( ) Agree ( ) Strongly agree ( ) No opinion

26. Environmental disaster clean-up

( ) Strongly disagree ( ) Disagree ( ) Agree ( ) Strongly agree ( ) No opinion

27. Peace keeping

( ) Strongly disagree ( ) Disagree ( ) Agree ( ) Strongly agree ( ) No opinion

28. Nation building (Reconstruct civil government, develop public school system, develop or improve public transportation system, etc.)

( ) Strongly disagree ( ) Disagree ( ) Agree ( ) Strongly agree ( ) No opinion

29. Humanitarian relief (e.g. food and medical supplies, temporary housing, and clothing)

( ) Strongly disagree ( ) Disagree ( ) Agree ( ) Strongly agree ( ) No opinion

30. Police action (e.g. Korea, Vietnam, but serving under non-U.S. officers)

( ) Strongly disagree ( ) Disagree ( ) Agree ( ) Strongly agree ( ) No opinion

Consider the following statements:

31. The U.S. runs a field training exercise. U.N. combat troops should be allowed to serve in U.S. combat units during these exercises under U.S. command and control.

( ) Strongly disagree ( ) Disagree ( ) Agree ( ) Strongly agree ( ) No opinion

32. The United Nations runs a field training exercise. U.S. combat troops under U.S. command and control should serve in U.N. combat units during these exercises.

( ) Strongly disagree ( ) Disagree ( ) Agree ( ) Strongly agree ( ) No opinion

33. The United Nations runs a field training exercise. U.S. combat troops should serve under U.N. command and control in U.N. during these exercises.

( ) Strongly disagree ( ) Disagree ( ) Agree ( ) Strongly agree ( ) No opinion

34. U.S. combat troops should participate in U.N. missions as long as the U.S. has full command and control.

( ) Strongly disagree ( ) Disagree ( ) Agree ( ) Strongly agree ( ) No opinion

35. U.S. combat troops should participate in U.N. missions under United Nations command and control.

( ) Strongly disagree ( ) Disagree ( ) Agree ( ) Strongly agree ( ) No opinion

36. U.S. combat troops should be commanded by U.N. officers and non- commissioned (NCOs) at battalion and company levels while performing U.N. missions.

( ) Strongly disagree ( ) Disagree ( ) Agree ( ) Strongly agree ( ) No opinion

37. It would make no difference to me to have U.N. soldiers as members of my team. (e.g. fire team, squad, platoon)

( ) Strongly disagree ( ) Disagree ( ) Agree ( ) Strongly agree ( ) No opinion

38. It would make no difference to me to take orders from a U.N. company commander.

( ) Strongly disagree ( ) Disagree ( ) Agree ( ) Strongly agree ( ) No opinion

39. I feel the President of the United States has the authority to pass his responsibilities as Commander-in-Chief to the U.N. Secretary General.

( ) Strongly disagree ( ) Disagree ( ) Agree ( ) Strongly agree ( ) No opinion

40. I feel there is no conflict between my oath of office and serving as a U.N. soldier.

( ) Strongly disagree ( ) Disagree ( ) Agree ( ) Strongly agree ( ) No opinion

41. I feel my unit's combat effectiveness would not be affected by performing humanitarian missions for the United Nations.

( ) Strongly disagree ( ) Disagree ( ) Agree ( ) Strongly agree ( ) No opinion

42. I feel a designated unit of U.S. combat soldiers should be permanently assigned to the command and control of the United Nations.

( ) Strongly disagree ( ) Disagree ( ) Agree ( ) Strongly agree ( ) No opinion

43. I would be willing to volunteer for assignment to a U.S. combat unit under a U.N. commander.

( ) Strongly disagree ( ) Disagree ( ) Agree ( ) Strongly agree ( ) No opinion

44. I would like U.N. member countries, including the U.S., to the U.N. all the soldiers necessary to maintain world peace.

( ) Strongly disagree ( ) Disagree ( ) Agree ( ) Strongly agree ( ) No opinion

45. I would swear to the following code: "I am a United Nations fighting person. I serve in the forces which maintain world peace and every nation's way of life. I am prepared to give my life in their defense."

( ) Strongly disagree ( ) Disagree ( ) Agree ( ) Strongly agree ( ) No opinion

46. The U.S. government declares a ban on the possession, sale, transportation, and transfer of all non-sporting firearms. A thirty (30) day amnesty period is permitted for these firearms to be turned over the local authorities. At the end of this period, a number of citizen groups refuse to turn over their firearms. Consider the following statement:

I would fire upon U.S. citizens who refuse or resist confiscation of firearms banned by the U.S. government.

( ) Strongly disagree ( ) Disagree ( ) Agree ( ) Strongly agree ( ) No opinion

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-06   19:17:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Jethro Tull (#8)

Too funny. I was just about to mention the 29 Palms survey when I saw the headline.

The U.S. Constitution is no impediment to our form of government.--PJ O'Rourke

DeaconBenjamin  posted on  2008-02-06   20:31:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Itisa1mosttoolate, REDPANTHER, *LEAP* (#0)

PING

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx

"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx

IndieTX  posted on  2008-02-06   23:00:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Itisa1mosttoolate, *libertarians*, *DEEK JACKSON* (#0)

ping

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freepatriot32  posted on  2008-02-06   23:05:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#0)

Thank you for posting this.


“The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.” ~ J. Edgar Hoover

wudidiz  posted on  2008-02-07   3:49:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#0)

The issue of whether U.S. troops would be prepared to round-up, disarm and if necessary shoot Americans who disobeyed orders during a state of martial law is a question that military chiefs have been attempting to answer for at least 15 years.

I spoke with a returning G.I., an Army Sargeant, on this topic. He told me that we're living in a different world today, global government is inevitable.

"Give us liberty and give them death" ... noone222 1-10-08

noone222  posted on  2008-02-07   4:10:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: robin, christine (#1)

yeah.

couldnt get it done in:

vietnam somalia afganistan iraq, 2x etc.

one wonders what it would take to get the mil. to protect the constitution. i guess being asked if they would go ahead and kill the citizens whose constitution they've sworn to protect isnt good enough.

Many believe in either intelligent design or evolution...but I am opting for unintelligent design, where god is a retarded kid who likes setting army men on fire and leaving his toys out in the rain.

Gengis Gandhi, Troubled Genius

gengis gandhi  posted on  2008-02-07   8:43:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Hayek Fan (#4)

".....are a hell of a lot more combat trained veterans than there are active duty and/or reserve and guard troops."

Yes, but quite a few of them have happily joined the likes of Wackenhut and Blackwater, and

will gladly shoot you down if paid enough of your tax dollars.

castletrash  posted on  2008-02-07   9:08:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Jethro Tull (#8)

i didn't look to see if there were results of the survey at the site, did the majority of troops answer strongly disagree to those questions?

The only solution to this mess is to dig a hole big enough to nudge them all in and cover quickly

christine  posted on  2008-02-07   10:09:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: gengis gandhi (#14)

Many believe in either intelligent design or evolution...but I am opting for unintelligent design, where god is a retarded kid who likes setting army men on fire and leaving his toys out in the rain.

Gengis Gandhi, Troubled Genius

i'm amused.

The only solution to this mess is to dig a hole big enough to nudge them all in and cover quickly

christine  posted on  2008-02-07   10:10:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: christine (#16)

did the majority of troops answer strongly disagree to those questions?

There is no "correct" or "proper" answer to any of those questions. Nor were any ever intended.

They are simply mind games by shrinks that are over the edge. My personal experience was similar, if driving a truck full of soldiers and a child ran in front of me would I run over the child or wreck the truck. Meaningless.

After the mind games I went in front of a shrink and he asked if I could drive a tractor, my reply was no and I passed. You can see the value of such.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-07   10:16:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Cynicom (#18)

After the mind games I went in front of a shrink and he asked if I could drive a tractor, my reply was no and I passed.

if you could drive a tractor????

The only solution to this mess is to dig a hole big enough to nudge them all in and cover quickly

christine  posted on  2008-02-07   10:26:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: christine (#19) (Edited)

if you could drive a tractor????

Yes.

That is why such questions posed are totally meaningless. There are no answers and most people such as myself had a lark in picking a choice. It does not matter how you answer, even if you play mind games with the shrinks.

If you passed the physical, you passed the shrink, end of game. He took his money for the day and went home and we went into the service.

Proof in the pudding? When you exit the military you receive a physical but no mind games with queer shrinks.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-07   10:32:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Cynicom (#20)

At the end of WWII they played friendly mind games. My mom said she and the other military wives attended a class where they were told what sort of PTSD symptoms to look for. They didn't call it that, but that's what they meant. Their husbands learned about the class and all began acting slightly weird, intentionally, for a couple weeks, just to laugh at them.

Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! The Revolution will not be televised!
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robin  posted on  2008-02-07   11:23:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: christine (#16)

i didn't look to see if there were results of the survey at the site, did the majority of troops answer strongly disagree to those questions?

IIRC, at the time of that survey - 1995 - 20 some-odd percent would agree to fire on US citizens. I'd guess that number is far higher now :)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-07   13:26:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: castletrash (#15) (Edited)

Yes, but quite a few of them have happily joined the likes of Wackenhut and Blackwater, and

will gladly shoot you down if paid enough of your tax dollars.

I disagree. According to the VA, in 2000 there were about 26 million veterans in the United States. http://www1.va.gov/vetdata/page.cfm?pg=1

If even 1 pecent of this number rose up in defiance of active duty troops murdering their fellow citizens, the military would be defeated. There just aren't that many soldiers who would willingly fire upon their fellow citizens. There would be mass AWOLs/desertions.

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2008-02-07   19:26:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#0)

I can imagine the DT's that American hunters and shooters would cause returning ME vets right now. We don't need no stinking IED's....

"There is a Providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America." - Otto von Bismarck

X-15  posted on  2008-02-07   19:45:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Hayek Fan (#23)

"..There just aren't that many soldiers who would willingly fire upon their fellow citizens..."

Have you listened to the rhetoric during the campaign, and in forums, and blogs? The right would

gladly annihilate "those baby killin' right to choice libs" and the left would sure shoot" the greedy corp

lovin' I got mine" Repubs. Throw in a good disagreement about war, any war, and Yeah I think were

well primed to kill each other.

castletrash  posted on  2008-02-08   10:03:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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