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Title: GREAT VICTORY OVER IRS - Tom Cryer - The prosecution could not state any law making the average American liable for the income tax
Source: Liberty Post
URL Source: http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=193689
Published: Jul 12, 2007
Author: D Wornock
Post Date: 2007-07-12 00:17:47 by Uncle Bill
Keywords: Abolish, The, IRS
Views: 10130
Comments: 62

Today at about 5:30 PM Attorney Tom Cryer was found not guilty to all charges of willful failure to file by the jury in Federal District Court, Shreveport LA. I attended the 2-1/2 day trial. The judge assisted the prosecution in every way possible, and the prosecution lied claiming there is a law requiring most Americans to file. However, the jury saw through the lies and believed Tom Cryer.

The prosecution could not state any law making the average American liable for the income tax. All the prosecution could point out was rulings by two lower courts. However, as Tom Cryer stated The lower courts cannot overturn the Supreme Court and Tom Cryer stated numerous Supreme Court Ruling that conflicted with the IRS version of the law.

The Brilliant Tom Cryer:

Cryer’s strategy is to have the indictment dismissed on the merits of his constitutional and statutory arguments. He has filed an approximately 100-page motion that can be described in one word – “brilliant.”

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#1. To: Uncle Bill (#0)
Wow!
Ron Paul for President
robin posted on 2007-07-12 0:35:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2. To: Uncle Bill (#0)
you beat me to it, Bill!

christine posted on 2007-07-12 0:58:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#3. To: christine (#2)
Hi christine! Some may want a little background. I believe this is a HUGE deal!

I believe this was the judge:

Hon. S. Maurice Hicks Jr.

Firm: United States District Court, Western Louisiana
Address: 300 Fannin St., Suite 1167
Shreveport, LA 71101-3083

Phone: (318) 676-3055

Fax: (318) 676-3966
E-mail:
Web site: http://www.lawd.uscourts.gov

Attorney Challenges Income Tax Law Constitutional History in the Making
Longtime Shreveport , Louisiana , attorney, Tommy K. Cryer, is no stranger to conflict and controversy. The Hall of Fame attorney, an honor graduate of LSU Law School and member of the prestigious Order of the Coif, has a reputation for taking on issues no one else would and, on a number of occasions, he has made new inroads in the legal world. But now he has thrown down the gauntlet in front of the mother of all 800 pound gorillas, the Internal Revenue Service, and the mama gorilla has picked it up. The only thing certain now is that someone is going to be hurt.
The story began over a decade ago when a friend told Cryer that the income tax was a sham. Cryer did not believe a word of it and thought his friend had gone off the deep end. Learning that his friend had decided to stop filing tax returns, Cryer determined to research the matter, show his friend where he was wrong, and keep him from getting in trouble with the IRS. That is how a two- year research project began, but it did not turn out the way Cryer expected. Sporting a wry grin, Cryer said "That just goes to show you that no good deed goes unpunished."
His research not only included the tax laws themselves, but went past the first income tax in 1861 to the drafting of the Constitution and included reading hundreds of cases, Congressional archives and tax laws from 1913 to present. Cryer learned that although his friend had only a piece of the picture, he was right. "The Tax Code and its regulations are carefully and," he adds, "ingeniously crafted to deceive," said Cryer. He explains that the answer is not in what the laws say, but rather in what they do not say, and those provisions that are revealing are either hidden within tons of verbiage or behind double and triple negatives. And, more importantly, he says, he knows why.
So Cryer decided he would also stop filing returns and would challenge the IRS if and when it came to call. Cryer said "Once you've taken an oath to uphold the Constitution and the law, obeying the law is only half the job. You also have to be willing to fight for it. I've not only sworn to fight for the Constitution as an attorney, as a former officer in the Army I've sworn to die for it."
In 2001 they came, demanding information and returns. Cryer advised them that if they could show him any law making him liable or making his revenues taxable he would file any tax returns required by the law. They could not show him any law.
Instead, the IRS began to pelt Cryer with a series of summonses, gathering up all banking records. It even subpoenaed Cryer's secretary into the office for interrogation. But Cryer did not budge. Frustrated, the IRS called in their criminal investigations division, CID, and Cryer told them the same thing, "Show me the law that makes me liable or my revenue taxable and I will file." They could not show him any law.
CID began the summons pelting all over again, but Cryer filed a petition to quash the summonses, which even included summonsing his college and law school records from almost forty years ago. "I suppose they thought the records would show I was some kind of kook or an idiot, but all they would have found is that I graduated from college in only three years and that I graduated from law school in the top of my class." Cryer said.
So, CID called in the Justice Department (DOJ) and the sabers began to rattle. Cryer met with the Assistant U. S. Attorney and an official of the IRS and reminded them that all they need do is show him the law. They could not show him any law, either.
"The CID and DOJ both responded only with 'your position is frivolous.' I had never stated a position, so how could they know whether it was frivolous?" Cryer said, "Imagine my sending you a bill for $1,000 and when you call me and ask what the bill was for I simply said, 'that position is frivolous, just write the check and send it in.' What would you say? Would you write the check?"
"After that they circled for awhile, apparently not sure what to do with or to me," he continues, "but when I went public with a book I'm writing, LIBERTY LOST, A Treasure Map to Buried Freedom, about how the federal government has escaped its constitutional limits and how to put it back, that broke the impasse. Within two months they accused me of tax evasion. Do I look like Al Capone? Well, I am a bit overweight and he was kind of chubby, too."
The two count indictment accuses Cryer of concealing income in a trust in 2000 and 2001, keeping himself "below the radar." But in 2001 he was not only on the radar, he was in the cross-hairs. Cryer, whose wife, Carolyn, was severely disabled, was worried that if anything happened to him Carolyn's son would have her destitute before the grass grew over his grave. He set up the trust in 1993 and opened brokerage accounts in hopes of parlaying the seed money he could muster up into a fund to provide for her and safeguard the money. Carolyn died in 1999, but he continued to trade in the accounts.
"They subpoenaed every record on me you could imagine, they even got into my dry cleaner's account, but they did not subpoena the brokerage account records. They did not want the facts, just an indictment. If they had they would have known that the trust not only had no income for those two years, it lost money both years, but they did not want to know the truth because that would prevent them from accusing me." he said.
Cryer says that it has already been an eye-opening experience for him, "It's been revealing. I've had agents tell me the law did not apply to them, so I suppose they think they are above the law. Another, challenged with having failed to follow IRS procedures explained that the procedures are binding on us (the peasants?), but that the IRS does not have to follow its own procedures unless it wants to. After effecting a legal stay on the CID summonses, a CID investigator called the banks he had summonsed and when they pointed out that they were stayed and not allowed to release records until the court ruled, he demanded they send him the records anyway, law or no law. After I made full disclosure of all records, saying show me where any of this is taxed, they sent agents out to 'visit' with my clients, and you can imagine what effect that has had on my practice. But the ride is going to get a lot bumpier from here on. I'm threatening a lot of rice bowls. Someone may actually have to go get a job and work like the rest of us."
Well, now the worm has turned. Cryer filed a motion to dismiss both counts against him, showing that the law, as it is written, does not make him liable nor tax his revenue from his law practice. The motion takes another bold step, however, revealing that the income tax, as applied to wages, salaries and fees personally earned, is unconstitutional, citing four separate grounds for the unconstitutionality of the law as to almost every citizen's revenue personally earned.
According to Cryer, the law, which is carefully drawn to stay inside the Constitution, does not actually tax personal earnings, but the IRS publications, no more law than Time Magazine, say it does and by collecting taxes on personal earnings it has violated several fundamental constitutional restrictions. He says that nearly a trillion dollars is siphoned, illegally, away from families and households every year, although their wages and salaries, including bonuses, are exempt from taxation under the Constitution. "I wish there were some way I could have taken this case on a 1/3 contingency," he joked.
Due to the adverse publicity and clients' fear of being targeted if they get too close to a target, Cryer says his practice has suffered immensely, placing him in a severe financial strain. "Getting the government off everyone's back and out of their pockets is going to be expensive and, frankly, I don't have the means," Cryer said, "but somehow I am going to finish this. I am totally convinced that this is why I am here on this Earth, this is why I am a lawyer, and since it's meant to be, it will be."
This man has devoted his life and practice to helping people. He left the big firm road over thirty years ago and opened a storefront solo practice because he did not become a lawyer to run up billable hours and stack up money. He wanted to solve people's problems and make the system work as it was intended. He is not a fat cat lawyer and deals with the same problems we all do every day. Now, he's put his freedom and future on the line for all of us.
The government has destroyed Tom Cryer's practice in order to impede his ability to fight this battle and he needs your help. If you are tired of being afraid of your own government and can help, please send whatever you can to the Tom Cryer Defense Fund and then forward this message to everyone you know.
Make checks payable to "C. L. Mitchell" with "Cryer Defense" on the memo line and mail to:
C. L. Mitchell
Cryer Defense Fund
11190 General Bradley Ave.
Shreveport , LA 71106
(and for a free copy of the 104 page memorandum Mr. Cryer filed explaining the law and the reasons the Constitution makes your paycheck exempt, include your email)

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Uncle Bill posted on 2007-07-12 1:07:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#4. To: Uncle Bill (#0)
Now we can all stop paying our income taxes. Great! Spread the word!
God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]
RickyJ posted on 2007-07-12 1:17:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#5. To: RickyJ (#4)
Now we can all stop paying our income taxes. Great! Spread the word!

LOL! Little late for me.... I stopped 30 years ago!
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
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#6. To: RickyJ (#4)
Now we can all stop paying our income taxes. Great! Spread the word!

Most Americans govern their lives by fear, though they were not given the spirit of it.

Meet Tom Cryer: 8-)

FEDERAL INCOME TAX - Part 1

FEDERAL INCOME TAX - Part 2

FEDERAL INCOME TAX - Part 3

FEDERAL INCOME TAX - Part 4
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#7. To: richard9151 (#5)
The Lie-Free Zone

Click HERE to read this free copy of the 104 page memorandum Mr. Cryer filed explaining the law and the reasons the Constitution makes your paycheck exempt.
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#8. To: christine (#7)

"I am aware of Pete Hendrickson's situation and the fight now being mounted by Tommy Cryer, a lawyer in Shreveport, Louisiana, who spent two years researching the entire history of the income tax and it's illegal application against domestic Americans. He has been charged with a felony: Attempt to evade or defeat tax. Cryer, who I do not know, has decided that he must step forward and fight for the truth, for what is right, no matter the cost. He is no fool, he's an experienced attorney and he's in the fight for his freedom, his livelihood, his life. I want him to prevail because I don't want to see one more American jailed and bankrupted to feed a machine that needs victims to stay in business and to protect the big lie. Everything will depend on his jury. Why? Because it doesn't matter if the defendant is wealthy enough to pay for the best legal defense ($50,000 or more), it's uninformed juries who are brain washed by state and federal prosecutors right out of the chute with rhetoric like, "He doesn't want to pay his fair share of taxes! Mr. Cryer wants you to pay his portion, too!!!" Straight out of a Charles Dickens novel, Scrooge (federal prosecutor) jabbing his bony finger into the noses of the jury. And, if you've sat and watched these jurors, you can see what they're thinking before one shred of evidence is presented."
Yeah jury!!
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Why an Income Tax is Not Necessary to Fund the U.S. Government
President's Private Sector Survey On Cost Control A Report to The President (Reagan)
January 15, 1984. Available from the Congressional Research Service. The excerpt below can be found on page 12.

"Importantly, any meaningful increases in taxes from personal income would have to come from lower and middle income families, as 90% of all personal taxable income is generated below the taxable income level of $35,000.

Further, there isn't much more that can be extracted from high income brackets.

If the Government took 100% of all taxable income beyond the $75,000 tax bracket not already taxed, it would get only $17 billion, and this confiscation, which would destroy productive enterprise, would only be sufficient to run the Government for several days.

Resistance to additional income taxes would be even more widespread if people were aware that:

With two-thirds of everyone's personal income taxes wasted or not collected, 100% of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the Federal Government contributions to transfer payments.

In other words, all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services which taxpayers expect from their government."

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#10. To: All (#9)
COST OF GOVERNMENT DAY REPORT
"the cost of government consumes 52.6 percent of national income"
Note: Table of Contents

Source

Free At Last

The American Spectator
By By Doug Bandow
Published 7/11/2007 12:07:58 AM

Today the average American finally pays off the burden of government. It only took 192 days. According to a new report from Americans for Tax Reform (ATR), government effectively consumes 52.6 percent of national income.
Unfortunately, the Bush years have not been good ones for Americans tired of turning so much of their incomes over to government. Despite the Bush tax cuts, people are working several days longer for federal, state, and local governments now than in 2000, when George W. Bush was elected president. Cost of Government Day (COGD) rose two days from 2006 alone.
There have been tiny declines along the way, from 2003 to 2004 and 2005 to 2006. But, notes study author Elizabeth Karasmeighan, "the drop in the cost of government was short lived."
The problem is largely one of spending. Writes Karasmeighan: "The average American worker will have to work an additional 6 days out of the year over 2000 to pay for government spending on all levels. Federal spending continues to be the main driver of the Cost of Government index, adding 6 days on to the days Americans were forced to work for federal government spending in 2000." From 2006 to 2007 federal spending upped the financial burden on taxpayers by a half day.
Sadly, the years of Republican governance have erased much of the gain from nearly a decade of divided government between President Bill Clinton and the GOP Congress. Karasmeighan explains:

The elevated levels [of] federal spending over the past seven years have wiped out 37 percent of the unprecedented reduction in the burden of federal spending as a percentage of national income from 1993-2000. Federal spending (as a percentage of income) declined for eight straight years, which reduced government spending from one out of every four dollars of national income to one out of every five dollars. By 2000, average Americans worked 14.3 days less of the year to pay off their federal spending burden than in 1992. In just the past six years, however, 37 percent of that gain has been eliminated.
Outlandish outlays, not tax cuts, are responsible for today's deficits. Karasmeighan points out that 70 percent of the cumulative deficit since 2002 resulted because spending rose more quickly than national income. A simple "spend only what you can afford to pay policy" would have largely eliminated the deficit.
The future looks even uglier. The 78 million baby-boomers begin to retire next year, and will ultimately generate a financial tsunami through Social Security and Medicare. With Congress lacking the slightest political backbone, so necessary to tackle entitlement reform, the U.S. will have to find a way to cover tens of trillions of dollars of unfunded liabilities under even the most favorable economic circumstances.
State and local spending accounts for another 1.6 days of the COGD increase from 2000 to 2007. This year the average American will work nearly 46 days to fund state and local governments. Moreover, the future likely will be worse. Reports ATR: "Even with looming unfunded pension and health care liabilities, states are failing to reform their entitlement programs. On the contrary, many states used their 2007 sessions to discuss expanding health care programs and imposing health insurance mandates."
The regulatory burden also is growing, despite roughly six years of a supposedly free market Republican president and Congress acting in tandem. Reports ATR:

The cost of regulation as a percent of national income remains at 16.9 percent for the fourth year. It is important to note, however, that revised data on regulatory costs reveal that COGD reports prior to 2006 were underestimating the cost of regulations. New regulations imposed following the War on Terrorism and corporate scandals significantly increased the regulatory burden in 2001 and 2002 in particular. Concurrently, the cost of tax compliance continues to grow. In 2007, the average American will work 61.8 days to pay for the regulatory costs, nearly 1 full day more than was required in 2006.
It is important to note that these estimates include only compliance costs. Equally significant, but more difficult to estimate, are the economic disruptions result from regulation.
Writes Karasmeighan: "These hidden costs slow the economy, as they introduce inefficiencies and distortions, and reduce the economic reward left over for productive activity." Slower economic growth means lower production, smaller wages, and fewer jobs. By some estimates the efficiency losses of regulation run as much as $1.5 trillion, rivaling or exceeding compliance costs.
The regulatory burden, too, is likely to continue going up. Since regulatory costs are less visible, people tend to be less aware of the threat of increased regulation and less able to mobilize against new regulatory proposals. ATR warns that "with the combination of the Democrat Congress and lobbying by the new constituencies created by recent regulations, the upward trend of regulations will continue in future years.

IN FACT, THE COMPETITIVE ENTERPRISE INSTITUTE has issued its own comprehensive report on federal regulation, authored by Clyde Wayne Crews, Jr. The scope and sweep of government, and especially federal, controls are enormous.
According to economist Mark Crain, regulatory compliance costs ran $1.142 trillion last year. By way of comparison, Crews points out that this number exceeds total income tax collections and accounts for about nine percent of GDP. But that's not the end: "The Weidenbaum Center and the Mercatus Center jointly estimate that agencies spent $41 billion to administer and police the regulatory state in 2006," writes Crews.
There are a number of ways to measure the regulatory state. For instance, the Federal Register contained 74,937 pages last year, a 1.4 percent increase (though still below the number in 2004). Although the number of pages was up, the number of final rules fell six percent, to 3,718. Notes Crews: "Well over 48,000 final rules were issued from 1995 to 2006 -- that is, during Republican control of Congress."
More than 4,000 rules are currently in the federal pipeline, 139 of which are considered to be "economically significant," that is, likely to have an economic impact of at least $100 million. That number is up slightly from 2005.
Five agencies account for almost half of all regulations: Treasury Department, Environmental Protection Agency, Agriculture Department, Interior Department, and Commerce Department. The issues run the gamut: substances prohibited for use in animal feed and food; country-of-origin labels for food; nondiscrimination in public facilities; occupational exposure to diseases and substances; automobile fuel economy standards; energy efficiency rules; emission standards; satellite broadcasting signal carriage requirements; home safety rules; furniture flammability standards; and many, many more.
The problem is not that all regulations are unnecessary or badly designed or unduly costly. The problem is that we have trouble assessing the relative merits of various regulations, and, more important, policymakers usually have no interest in such assessments even if they exist. Observes Crews:

We simply do not know whether regulatory benefits exceed costs. But agencies are not the real culprits. Congress regularly shirks its constitutional duty tomake the tough calls. It delegates considerable law- making power to agencies, and then it fails to ensure that they deliver benefits that are greater than costs. Thus, agencies can hardly be faulted for not guaranteeing optimal regulation or for not ensuring that only "good" rules get through.
Since legislators are no more likely tomorrow than today to find the courage necessary to fulfill their constitutional duty to constrain agency rule-making, regulatory costs seem destined to continue rising. Crews calls for "making Congress as accountable for regulation as for legislation." It's a great idea. But Congress is as likely to accept regulatory responsibility as Congress is likely to eliminate the Departments of Agriculture, Commerce, Education, Energy, Housing, and Transportation, the sources of so many unnecessary and expensive boondoggles. Or to eliminate the income tax, while cutting expenditures accordingly.
If there is any good news, it is that some states are better than others. In Alabama and Oklahoma taxpayers finished paying for government on June 22. Residents of Alaska and Mississippi quit paying on June 23. Seven more states finished in June
Unfortunately, people in sixteen states, along with the District of Columbia, will continue paying for days, or weeks, later. Connecticut sets the record: August 2. New York trails at July 28. New Jersey follows on July 22. Of Connecticut, Karasmeighan explains, the burden "is so onerous both because it has very high relative incomes, getting a big hit from the federal income tax, and because it has high state and local taxes."
The mantra from the left continues to be that Americans are undertaxed; the public sector is starved of funds; there is no problem that a new government program cannot solve. But the numbers prove otherwise. Today government spending and regulation take more than half of our national income. That's a far heavier burden than a free people should ever accept.

Doug Bandow is Vice President for Policy of Citizen Outreach. A former Special Assistant to President Ronald Reagan, he is the author of several books, including Foreign Follies: America's New Global Empire (Xulon Press).
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THE AGONY, THE ECSTASY, THE AGONY - Part 1

THE AGONY, THE ECSTASY, THE AGONY - Part 2
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#13. To: RickyJ (#4)
This is why people pay. Fear. That's all the federal goons have. Fear. The people fear the IRS. They fear corrupt judges(practically all). They fear ignorant and gullible jurors(most). The federal goons don't care about the law.

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Tom Cryer Trial

Written by djahn
Wednesday, 04 July 2007

Tom Cryer’s trial is scheduled to take place on Monday, July 9, 2007, at 9:30 a.m., at the U. S. District Court, 300 Fannin St., Shreveport, Louisiana. They will be doing the preliminaries before the trial starts, so if you were there at 1:30 p.m., you would still be on time. They need your presence at this trial, they want to fill up the courtroom, please go early if you are able to go. Again, the preliminaries begin at 9:30 a.m., they are predicting the actual trial should get started somewhere around 1:30 p.m. Use your own judgment. In the event the courtroom is filled when you get there, please assemble outside the courtroom in a non-adversarial manner. We need to show respect, be courteous, quite, and attentive. We will endeavor to check with his office this Friday to confirm the trial is still scheduled to go forward.

Tom Cryer Trial - Day One

Written by djahn
Monday, 09 July 2007

Trial started today with the announcement that the DOJ wanted to abandon the two evasion charges, felonies, and prosecute instead on two counts of failure to file.
A jury was selected this afternoon. You never know whether you've done well or poorly until you get the outcome.
Tomorrow starts with evidence and the gov't should wrap up early in the day and then it's Mr Cryer's turn. He is ready to go. The only question remaining is how successful they will be in stopping him from telling the truth.
We'll convey more as it comes available.

Tom Cryer Trial - Day Two

Written by djahn
Wednesday, 11 July 2007

Here is an update we received from those in attendance. ###

Day Two started with the government presenting its case in the morning session and Tom taking the stand and offering his direct testimony until the close of yesterday's proceedings...
The government first brought an IRS supervisor to the stand... her testimony established the paperwork flow and indicated that Tommy filed "employer" documentation for his "employee" but did not file his individual returns.
Next was Tommy's secretary... she did not show up as a hostile witness towards the prosecution... but in the same breath, she did not give the government any help when she testified that she fills out all of her own IRS forms required of the employer, and even writes and signs most of the checks!
The DOJ tried to get in a point in that area... and she said that Tommy gave her the option to file or not-- then he abruptly stopped her... then on another question... she added that it was her choice to file even after she found out that there was no law making her liable-- where of course, he cut her off again.
The CPA took the stand and testified to profit and loss statements related to Tommy's practice of law... he simply established the numbers but never stated with authority to the lawful and legal definition of income... Larry was able to establish that the CPA had only a very insignificant understanding of the IRC.
The government's final witness was an IRS "special agent" in the Criminal Investigation Division who testified to the 'audits' of Tom's business and on Larry's cross-exam made it clear that the 'Code" is enormous and he only knew small bits and pieces of some of it... The IRS used Section 61 of the IRC to prop up its claim of liability to file and pay income taxes... but failed to clarify the first three words of Section 61... which state, "Unless otherwise provided..."
After lunch Tom took the stand...
There were some fireworks during Tom's testimony and the judge was clearly aggravated with the rule of law being presented in 'his' courtroom... and several times stopped Tom's testimony. One of those times the judge brought up the "Cheek" ruling where Larry and the judge went around and around on Tom's right to present his beliefs to the jury.
The judge overruled an objection of the prosecutor on another occasion but also warned Larry about the "very narrow" path he's taking the case and will not allow Tom to argue that the IRS is unconstitutional... which of course Tom never intended to do and has not done in the least.
Day Two ended with the judge calling counsel into the judge's chamber and unloading... venting his frustration mainly aimed at Larry and Tom taking over the courtroom and plowing ahead with getting the Internal Revenue Code... the Code of Federal Regs, the Constitution and a plethora of Supreme Court cases in front of the jury.
At the close of yesterday's hearing... the judge ordered Larry to turn over Tom's notes and research to the DOJ as the court believed that Tom's notebook filled with law and supporting Supreme Court cases was "discovery" and therefore the DOJ was entitled to it...
Larry quickly agreed to that and even told the court that it would be a very good thing for the prosecutor to read and urged the prosecutor to read it carefully and essentially looked forward to seeing more of it in the record and presented to the jury during cross-examination of Tom's beliefs.
Day three promises to be very interesting! The parties will meet prior to the start to discuss jury instructions before the jury is brought in and seated. The DOJ opens day three with cross-examination and Larry's re-direct may well occur before noon and closing arguments will surely take place before the close of today's proceedings...
Please let everyone know that http://www.truthattack.org will be providing you with exclusive MP3 audio interviews with Larry, Tommy (if possible) and attendees of the court proceedings and anyone else that I can get my microphone in front of today!

From: Bob Schulz
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 11:00 PM
To: Bob Hurt
Subject: [We The People] NOT GUILTY! Tom Cryer and Becraft Best the DOJ

NOT GUILTY!

July 11, 2007

Tom Cryer and Becraft Best the DOJ
According to our court-watcher we can tell you the following:
At the start of the trial the DOJ withdrew the felony charges, leaving two counts of willful failure to file.
The Constitution and the law were allowed into the courtroom. Although Cryer was able to tell the jury what he read, he was not allowed to show the jury what he read. Cryer was also able to tell the jury what he did not read in the law because he could not find it in the law - the law that made him liable to file and pay the federal income tax.
Tom did a good job of explaining to the jury what he read in the Brushhaber, Stanton and Eisner Supreme Court cases about the legal meaning of the word "income" and what he read in the Internal Revenue Code - everything but the law that required him to file. Tom had asked the IRS to show him the law that made him liable but the IRS did not respond.
Larry Becraft's closing arguments were "flawless."
Compared to the judges in the Simkanin and Schiff cases, Cryer's judge was "Cinderella."
Congratulations Tom and Larry. We are looking forward to your full report.
More details to follow on our website.
http://www.givemeliberty.org

Tom Cryer and Becraft Best the DOJ

Written by djahn
Wednesday, 11 July 2007

This update was reportedly distributed by We the People. I'm on a conference call right now. I'm fairly confident this report is accurate.
David Jahn

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WHY THE IRS AND INTERNATIONAL BANKERS ABSOLUTELY HATE THE INTERNET
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Uncle Bill posted on 2007-07-12 3:45:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#15. To: Uncle Bill, christine, Zipporah, Jethro Tull, Lodwick (#11)
Some Patriot Photos

I've met Godfrey Lehman, Irwin Schiff and Red Beckman in person, and I've spoken with attorney Larry Becraft on the phone.
Lehman (who is from San Francisco) once told a story to a group of us about his experience on jury duty. It was his position that one should not have to forfeit one right (privacy) in order to exercise another (serving on a jury) so, when an attorney asked him a question he replied with "I object, that question is a violation of my right to privacy".
The judge said "YOU GET OUT OF MY COURTROOM!"
Lehman was shocked by the judge's reaction. And, he makes a most convincing argument that voir dire is unconstitutional, and that lawyers are controlling juries to an extent never intended by the founders.
For instance, why does knowing a defendant render one unsuitable for jury duty? When the first Europeans landed in Plymouth and Jamestown, could they not hold trials because everyone knew everyone else?
No, the reason why lawyers don't want us to know a defendant is so they can paint a false picture of their clients, and if you know the defendants' character it would be much harder to fool you.
Irwin Schiff called me twice collect from prison at my request and expense years ago, too. I didn't have any tax problems, I just wanted to chat and tell him how much he helped me!
And, Red Beckman told me how he and Bill Benson researched the 16th amendment and proved it was never ratified. He said that when he provided the evidence to the 9th circuit, the judge said "This is a political matter on which we cannot rule!" and he ordered the steno not to make a transcript of the hearing!
The govt knows that it's a swindle, folks, believe me.

HOUNDDAWG posted on 2007-07-12 4:09:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#16. To: HOUNDDAWG, christine (#15)
"The govt knows that it's a swindle, folks, believe me."

Yep.
Read the yellow highlights
WE THE PEOPLE - Store

THE GREAT IRS HOAX
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Uncle Bill posted on 2007-07-12 5:00:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#17. To: HOUNDDAWG, christine (#15)
Just tell the IRS your income is a capital gain. I'm sure they'll understand.

http://www.ombwatch.org / article/articleview/3898/
Wall Street Tax Break Comes under Scrutiny

After decades of flying below the radar screen, a tax policy allowing private equity fund managers to claim their fee-based income as capital gains rather than ordinary income has suddenly become the subject of media scrutiny, congressional hearings and legislation. In June, the Blackstone Group, a large private equity firm, went public with an initial public offering, which resulted in billion-dollar profits for the principals. This triggered House Ways & Means Committee and Senate Finance Committee chairs Rep. Charles Rangel (D-NY) and Sen. Max Baucus (D-MT) to question the tax breaks that helped enable the billion-dollar profits. They announced their intention to examine tax policy regarding so-called "carried interest," a type of performance fee that is a major source of compensation for fund managers. Rep. Sander Levin (D- MI) has introduced a bill to eliminate the carried interest tax loophole altogether. In response, high-powered lobbyists have gathered to fight back. A classic confrontation between industry and taxpayer interests may be looming.
The policy question concerns part of the fee that fund managers usually collect for their services. They typically negotiate a percentage of any profits on their fund's investments, called "carried interest" because, oftentimes, funds do not produce profits for several years. Because the income comes, when it does, following the sale of the fund's security assets, the argument is made that this income is like dividends or capital gains and so should be taxed at a maximum rate of 15 percent.
However, some tax experts have argued that carried interest is no different from ordinary income, which is taxed at rates of up to 35 percent. The risk element in fund managers' compensation for services is quite different from investors' risk. The latter may lose every penny they have invested in the funds; they may also reap capital gains if fund assets are sold at a profit. Fund managers may not be personally invested in the funds they manage at all — in this case, they have no "downside" risk of financial loss; they may simply fail to be due compensation if the fund does not perform well enough. It is a form of contingency fee.
Advocates of current policy, such as Lisa McGreevy, executive vice president of the Managed Funds Association, say that ''the whole issue is fundamental to entrepreneurship in the United States and the ability to use sweat equity to build long-term investments.'' Victor Fleischer, a University of Illinois tax professor, believes that perhaps private equity funds, hedge funds and others benefiting from the tax treatment have total assets under management of up to $1 trillion. It is unclear whether taxes on fund managers relate at all to investor activity.
Advocates of closing the carried interest tax loophole question the equity of current policy, which, Fleischer estimates, reduces fund managers' taxes by $4- 6 billion a year. Rep. Peter Welch (D-VT) says that ''there is absolutely no reason some of the richest partnerships in the world should be able to rip off American taxpayers because of a tax loophole.'' On the other side, the lobbyists are trying to convince Congress that such legislation would hurt the average citizen. Rep. Eric Cantor (R-VA) was quoted in the July 10 Washington Post as saying, "This is a tax increase not only on those working on Wall Street, but also on all blue-jean-wearing Americans because of its effect on their retirement funds."

A key moment in the debate came on June 12, when former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, speaking to a tax reform conference run by Brookings' Hamilton Project said,
It seems to me what is happening is people are performing a service, managing people's money in a private equity form and fees for that service would ordinarily be thought of as ordinary income. A week and a half later, Levin introduced his bill to end the tax treatment of these fees as capital gains. A dozen other House members have now co-sponsored the bill, including Rangel and House Financial Services Committee Chair Barney Frank (D-MA). Rangel subsequently announced that he would hold a hearing on the legislation in July. Baucus has scheduled the first of two hearings by the Senate Finance Committee, to be held July 11.
The prospects for the Levin legislation in the House seem favorable, given the heft of those who have endorsed it. However, the Cantor-led forces include some of the most powerful lobbyists in town. In the Senate, Baucus and Finance Committee ranking member Charles Grassley (R-IA) have not taken a position on the issue. But in his most direct statement on it to date, Grassley, who has strongly supported tax breaks for business in the past, implied that the carried interest tax preference is
failing to maintain the integrity of the 15% capital-gains rate… What I'm doing is an effort to ward off the demagogues on Capitol Hill that can say this is just a way for the rich to get richer, and the middle class to be stung... I would ask my Republican colleagues to look at it from that standpoint, that we want to make sure we aren't feeding the demagoguery of class warfare that the other party is always getting blue ribbons for doing. Whatever Congress decides, it is possible that President Bush will declare that ending this tax loophole is a tax increase and veto it on those grounds.

Say what?
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Uncle Bill posted on 2007-07-12 5:44:47 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#18. To: Uncle Bill (#17)
... it is possible that President Bush will declare that ending this tax loophole is a tax increase and veto it on those grounds.

Quite possible, since Bush wants to free all investment capital and corporate profits from taxation and make it a wage withholding tax only!
Do you believe this guy?
This move would do the exact opposite of what was promised during debates about the tax.
And, this is also why corporations are all too happy to withhold from their employees' wages. The company pays little or no taxes and they compensate with money from their workers.

HOUNDDAWG posted on 2007-07-12 5:53:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#19. To: HOUNDDAWG (#18)
Source
Memorandum
To: Participants in Conference on Tax Rebellion Movement
From: Regional Commissioner Western Region
Subject: Tax Rebellion in California
I am sending you the minutes of our meeting of February 9, 1973, on the Tax Rebellion Movement. These minutes enumerate action items for the Los Angeles and San Francisco District Directors and for Regional Office officials.
I appreciate your past attention to this serious matter and feel confident that all of us working together can successfully overcome this challenge to our tax system.
/s/ Homer O. Croasmun
Regional Commissioner
Attachment
Croasmun Memorandum: Page 1 of 6
Minutes of February 9, 1973 Conference on Tax Rebellion Movement in California
Participants
Mr. Croasmun, Regional Director Mr. Schwartz, Regional Counsel Mr. Rowe, Regional Inspector Mr. Kingman, District Director, San Francisco Mr. Schmidt, District Director, Los Angeles Mr. McCart, Acting Assistant Regional Commissioner, Intelligence Mr. Hansen, Chief, Los Angeles Mr. Howard, Chief, San Francisco Mr. Monzon, Chief, Enforcement, Regional Office, BATF Mr. Vargofcak, Assistant Special Agent-in-Charge, San Francisco Mr. Dvorak, Assistant Regional Inspector Mr. Pollock, Regional Protective Programs Manager Mr. Busalacchi, Regional Public Affairs Officer Mr. Krause, Regional Coordinator, Tax Rebellion Movement
Mr. Croasmun opened the conference with a review of the history of the Tax Rebellion Movement. He stated we should set up our metes and bounds to achieve our goals; that we do not have unlimited manpower so we must focus on the total program and concentrate on the leaders of the movement attacking IRS.
Mr. Croasmun pointed out that seven months ago we changed our direction on Tax Rebellion cases from a defensive posture and have now seized the initiative by infiltration of their organization so we now know in advance of their plans before they execute them. This is vital and we must continue to stay aggressive if we are to enforce the revenue laws and to protect the Service from attack by tax rebel militants.
Mr. Croasmun stated that we are not limiting ourselves to the sanctions in the Revenue Code, but are using all the available law enforcement machinery whether it be federal, state or local laws: for example, if a tax rebel leader is violating a state law by carrying a concealed weapon, we should use state enforcement to prosecute him; and, if there is a firearms violation, ATF agents should be alerted.
Mr. Howard advised that he had been advised by the Detroit District that since ( ) spoke on the radio in Cleveland, there had been a flood of General Motors employees submitting false forms W-4. Mr. Busalacchi stated he had a report that ( ) had been active in Albuquerque.
Mr. Hansen advised that a ( ) of Ventura County had attempted to file false forms [sic] W-4; that he is now leading the Mariposa camp of militants organized by ( ) the ( ).
Mr. Vargofcak said the sheriff of Mariposa County had been checking on the activities of ( ) since May 1972, when the ( ) bought the Mariposa property from ( ); that ( ) is a close personal friend of ( ) that ( ) has a state criminal record; that he has three or four firearms; and that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms has a case on ( ).
Croasmun Memorandum: Page 2 of 6
Mr. Schmidt pointed out that there are varying degrees of militancy in the various tax rebellion groups; that in the Los Angeles District, Taxpayers Anonymous in Orange County, led by ( ) and ( ) is the most militant; and that we should keep this in mind in deciding our targets.
Mr. Monzon gave a summary of laws enforced by the bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms which could be used on tax rebel cases. He pointed out it is not a federal violation to carry a gun unless the person has a felony record; that an automatic pistol is not an "automatic" gun under the definitions of BATF unless one pull of the trigger will discharge multiple shots; that explosives are a federal violation; and, likewise, "silencers" are a violation. He said he wanted more information about a report that tax rebels are able to buy silencers in Phoenix, as this would be a clear violation.
Mr. Howard advised he has been conferring with state tax officials who are anxious to cooperate with IRS in the attack on tax rebels who also do not pay state taxes; often the state can move quickly to close up a tax rebel's business or revoke his license; that we should see that the state uses its enforcement machinery on those cases which are not our targets.
Mr. Croasmun reported on his discussions with Assistant U. S. Attorney Couris and Judge Crocker, Fresno, and of their interest in enforcement of the law in tax rebel cases. Mr. Hansen commented on the problem of federal judges appearing to be anti-IRS based on a belief that IRS is "highhanded." Mr. Howard reported on a change of attitude in federal judges in San Francisco after he met with a number of them and discussed the gravity of the Tax Rebellion Movement and the importance of giving prison sentences as deterrents.
There was a general discussion of the importance of meeting with U.S. Attorneys and federal judges to acquaint them with the full picture of the tax rebellion movement. Mr. Croasmun pointed out that after his meeting with Mr. Couris and Judge Crocker, they requested background information on the Movement which was furnished them.
Mr. Kingman suggested the possibility of requesting religious leaders to warn their following against participation in the movement, pointing to the beneficial effects of Mormon Church President Lee's message.
Mr. Howard advised that after his discussion with the federal judges they said they had not full background information on some of the defendants to whom they had given light sentences.
Mr. Schwartz suggested that the Porth-type cases not prosecuted should at least be considered for fraud penalties or other civil penalties.
Croasmun Memorandum: Page 3 of 6
Mr. Schwartz also advised the district directors that they should instruct employers who receive false forms W-4 or W-4E which they know to be false through admission of employee or knowledge of previous employment that the employer should disregard the false exemption certificate and withhold on the basis of zero exemptions or on the basis of a former correct form W-4.
There was a general discussion on the problem of detecting false W-4 or W-4E cases where the taxpayer does not so advise the government or the employer does not do so; and, particularly so where the taxpayer completes his action by not filing any form of 1040 at year end, but becomes an "IRS dropout." With the present limited matching at the Service Centers of the filing index with prior years' returns, or employers' copies of W-2's with filing indexes, such cases will probably never be detected. Suggestions were made that we use all available means to reach employers to advise them of their responsibility to advise IRS when they receive a suspected false form W-4 or W-4E. Also, we should use our liaison contacts with the Tax Executive Institute to get the message to them of their responsibility in such cases and of advising employer-clients. Also, we should use trade journals to reach employers with this message. Also, we should use Circular E for this purpose.
Mr. Krause pointed out the importance of close planning on common targets by the tax rebellion project supervisors of the Los Angeles and San Francisco districts with planning meetings as needed.
Action Items for District Directors:
1. Maintain the initiative in the attack on the tax rebels.
2. Know their plans before they arrive at our door to execute them.
3. Identify the leaders of the Movement and concentrate on them.
4. Have a plan of action in coordination with the Region rather than hit and miss defensive reactions.
5. Continue and step up the infiltration in-depth of the Movement.
6. Use all available federal, state and local laws.
7. Use civil penalties on Porth-type cases.
8. Wage a campaign to educate U.S. Attorneys and federal judges with the importance of prison sentences on cases.
9. District Directors to continue to follow up cases of admitted or known false W-4's or W-4E's to advise employers of responsibilities in such cases and follow up to see that proper 1040's are filed at the filing season.
10. Use State taxing agencies willing to cooperate on enforcement of laws on tax rebels.
11. Los Angeles and San Francisco project supervisors to hold periodic planning meetings on common targets.
Croasmun Memorandum: Page 4 of 6
Action Items for Region:
1. Use Tax Executive Institute liaison to inform tax consultants and their client-employers of their duties on suspected false exemption cases.
2. Consider requesting legislation or an IRS published ruling to require employers to file with service centers a copy of amended W-4 or W-4E forms.
3. Use Circular E, The employer's Tax Guide on Withholding, to inform employers of responsibilities on suspected false exemption cases.
4. Use trade journals to reach employers for same purpose.
Croasmun Memorandum: Page 5 of 6
Supplement 1 (Rev. 3)
RC-W Memorandum 12-24
Regional Objective RC-W4
PUBLIC AWARENESS OF THE ROLE OF THE INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE
The Service should be acutely aware of its responsibility to enhance the belief of the American public that Internal Revenue Service is an effective tax administration body, maintaining the highest principles of integrity.
Heads of Office should take positive steps to insure that appropriate managers are aware of and responsive to concerns and contacts with professional groups, the communication media and the taxpaying public. The Service must maintain the capacity to respond timely and intelligently to concerns or issues raised by the public.
Areas of Consideration
* Evaluate, appraise and react to the tax mood of the nation and of local areas. Heads of Office should impress on all employees the value of effective, professional tax administration as a counterpoint to attacks on the self- assessment system.
* Maintain an effective Public Affairs program designed to produce pertinent and effective public information concerning both tax and economic stabilization matters.
* Recognize the sensitive problems connected with the organized tax resistance movement. Be aware of the need for diligent enforcement action against organized tax protestors who flagrantly violate the tax laws.
* Heads of Office should be aware of their roles as public spokesmen in explaining to the general public and to responsible business and professional groups the Service's role in the administration of both our tax system and the economic stabilization program.
Official Use Only
Croasmun Memorandum: Page 6 of 6
# # #

Tax his land,
Tax his bed,
Tax the table
At which he's fed.

Tax his tractor,
Tax his mule,
Teach him taxes
Are the rule.

Tax his cow,
Tax his goat,
Tax his pants,
Tax his coat.

Tax his ties,
Tax his shirt,
Tax his work,
Tax his dirt.

Tax his tobacco,
Tax his drink,
Tax him if he
Tries to think.

Tax his cigars,
Tax his beers,
If he cries, then
Tax his tears.

Tax his car,
Tax his gas,
Find other ways
To tax his ass

Tax all he has
Then let him know
That you won't be done
Till he has no dough.

When he screams and hollers,
Then tax him some more,
Tax him till
He's good and sore.

Then tax his coffin,
Tax his grave,
Tax the sod in
Which he's laid.

Put these words
up on his tomb,
"Taxes drove me
to my doom..."

When he's gone,
Do not relax,
Its time to apply
The inheritance tax.

Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
CDL license Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Dog License Tax
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax,
Fuel permit tax
Gasoline Tax (42 cents per gallon)
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax
Interest expense
Inventory tax
IRS Interest Charges IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Service charge taxes
Social Security Tax
Road usage taxes
Sales Tax
Recreational Vehicle Tax
School Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone federal excise tax
Telephone federal universal service fee tax
Telephone federal, state and local surcharge taxes
Telephone minimum usage surcharge tax
Telephone recurring and non-recurring charges tax
Telephone state and local tax
Telephone usage charge tax
Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax

COMMENTS: Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago,
and our nation was the most prosperous in the world.
We had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle
class in the world, and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.

What happened?
And I still have to "press 1" for English
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Uncle Bill posted on 2007-07-12 7:17:31 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#20. To: all (#3)
Good for Cryer, but I never understood why this government has never backfilled the flaw in their collection scheme. It seems easy enough; if there isn't a law, create one. Sorry for the pessimism on the dawn of such a powerful victory, but I have a good sense about the dogs we're dealing with.

Jethro Tull posted on 2007-07-12 7:43:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#21. To: Uncle Bill (#0)
In the words of the jury lady from Freedom to Fascism, "You mean we don't haaaaave to pay income taxes?"
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wakeup posted on 2007-07-12 7:48:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#22. To: wakeup (#21)
Things that make you go hmmmmmmm
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Uncle Bill posted on 2007-07-12 7:58:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#23. To: Uncle Bill, christine (#22)
Ooooookay...so what happened to the jury in the Ed and Elaine Brown case? Come on, media...how come THIS guy is found innocent, and the Browns have to hide in their home, fearing for their lives? Something is WAY F***** up here...
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who knows what evil posted on 2007-07-12 8:10:42 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#24. To: who knows what evil (#23)
We the people, are a nightmare as jurors on this issue. They just have to focus on the law, which doesn't exist, and FORCE judges to PRODUCE THE LAW, which they can't. The judges 99.9% of the time are a nightmare in these cases and are nothing but agents of the government protecting the IRS, which is nothing but a revenue collection agency for the international banking cabal, which is nothing but a multi-trillion dollar play toy for Satan to produce evil everywhere, enslave people, kill people, and destroy their soul.

QUESTION FOR RON PAUL: "Is there a law that requires people to complete a 1040?"
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Uncle Bill posted on 2007-07-12 8:26:27 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#25. To: All (#24)
AUDIO: WTPRN - Guest: Gary Thomason discusses today's court victories of Tommy Cryer with his IRS case
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Uncle Bill posted on 2007-07-12 8:38:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#26. To: who knows what evil, HOUNDDAWG, Critter, wake up (#23)
very good question! but i would think this bodes well for the Browns.

christine posted on 2007-07-12 8:58:42 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#27. To: Uncle Bill (#25)
Tommy Cryer will be on John Stadtmiller's show today on RBN 4-6 p.m. CT.

christine posted on 2007-07-12 9:00:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#28. To: christine, critter (#26)
very good question! but i would think this bodes well for the Browns.

Someone needs to get this info to them ASAP...we need equal application of the law here...the Browns shouldn't pay with their lives because the jury in New Hampshire didn't know their asses from a hole in the ground.
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil posted on 2007-07-12 9:01:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#29. To: christine (#27)
Tommy Cryer will be on John Stadtmiller's show today on RBN 4-6 p.m. CT.

Tommy Cryer needs to hit the MAINSTREAM media, as well.
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil posted on 2007-07-12 9:02:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#30. To: Uncle Bill (#25) (Edited)
Ed Brown was just interviewed on the Alex Jones show a few minutes ago, and he is already aware of the Cryer decision. He asked "Why was Mr. Cryer found innocent based on the same argument of 'show me the law' that we were convicted under?" Why, indeed.
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who knows what evil posted on 2007-07-12 13:31:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#31. To: who knows what evil (#30)
"Ed Brown was just interviewed on the Alex Jones show a few minutes ago.."

Thanks. I'll go listen.
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Uncle Bill posted on 2007-07-12 16:57:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#32. To: Uncle Bill (#31)
Beginning of the second hour on the internet stream...Elaine, Randy Weaver, and Ed .
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who knows what evil posted on 2007-07-12 17:01:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#33. To: who knows what evil (#32)
Great, thanks.
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Uncle Bill posted on 2007-07-12 17:07:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#34. To: Uncle Bill (#9)
In other words, all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services which taxpayers expect from their government."

That is not the purpose of the income tax; it was established with the intent that it be used to pay the interest on the national debt, and it was never intended to do anything else. This is what has always been so confusing to people, esp. those who do not understand the disappearing money/credit of the federal reserve system!
Which also brings up another point; since the United States government does not print any 'money,' we are entirely at the mercy of the federal reserve for an operating medium of exchange. If the income tax goes away, everyone had better have a plan B in place as to how to live without any money in circulation.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
richard9151 posted on 2007-07-12 17:10:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#35. To: who knows what evil (#28)
we need equal application of the law here...

You know better than that! The Cryer case will NEVER be published and therefor the decision can not be used in other cares. Standard operating procedure for the Just-us system.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
richard9151 posted on 2007-07-12 17:12:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#36. To: Jethro Tull (#20)
but I have a good sense about the dogs we're dealing with.

You are correct, because the Cryer case will never be published.
if there isn't a law, create one. They can not. It is illegal, as long as they wish to keep the illusion of the Constitution around. This has been ruled on by the so-called Supreme Court, including rulings that say that the so-called income tax amendment changed nothing in the Constitution.
As I have posted before, and which the courts refuse to admit, is that the income tax is collected through and enforced by a contract. However, it is coming close to a time when the courts may be forced into a corner and have to admit the basis of the income tax.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
richard9151 posted on 2007-07-12 17:18:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#37. To: Uncle Bill (#19)
What happened?

You know what happened; Americans started believing it when someone from the government showed up and said, 'I am here to help you,' and the Americans started signing up for all of the 'free' stuff, like, for instance, Social Security.
From then on, it was katy bar the door!
In that respect, it is interesting to note that most of the people of Mèxico pay no to very few taxes; and, the people of Mèxico understand why not! Most of them have no direct connection to the federal government in Mèxico, i.e., no contracts.
More than 30 years ago, I read this;
"Two aspects of the Federal Income Tax system - voluntary compliance with the law and self-assessment of tax - make it important for you to understand your rights and responsibilities as a taxpayer. 'Voluntary compliance' places on the taxpayer the responsibility for filing an income tax return. You must decide whether the law requires you to file a return. If it does, you must file your return by the date it is due. IRS Publication 21."
After some further study, I choose to be out of the banking system, burned all of the tax records I had saved, and never went to work for someone else, except as a contract worker. I simply refused from that time on to put my 'label' on the income tax return. Oh, and I insulated myself from judgements. Been a pretty nice time since then.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
richard9151 posted on 2007-07-12 17:34:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#38. To: HOUNDDAWG (#15)
And, Red Beckman told me how he and Bill Benson researched the 16th amendment and proved it was never ratified. He said that when he provided the evidence to the 9th circuit, the judge said "This is a political matter on which we cannot rule!" and he ordered the steno not to make a transcript of the hearing!

The judge is correct, as it is a political matter, and the judge was hearing a contract case in the enforcement of the tax.
I have also met Red and Bill, read the book(s), and suggest that you research ALL of the amendments from the (now) 13th on, and you will find that NONE of them were lawfully ratified, as they apply only to the United States, and not to the several states of the union. In other words, they are applicable only to United States citizens.
The govt knows that it's a swindle, folks, believe me.
The difference is that the agents of the government understand the basis behind the tax, and we do not. It is not a swindle, it is simply dishonest not to make full disclosure so that people can make informed decisions. Which, of course, is why the truth is never discussed, because too many people would simply refuse to participate.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
richard9151 posted on 2007-07-12 17:42:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#39. To: Uncle Bill (#7)
Click HERE to read this free copy

I would love to read that, but the link is dead!
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
richard9151 posted on 2007-07-12 17:49:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#40. To: richard9151 (#39)
Tom Cryer's site is down due to unbelievable traffic volume, or the one world government banking cabal has shut it down. It will be back up though. His site, and that link were working fine last night.

"An act of the Congress of the United States ... which assumes powers ... not delegated by the Constitution, is not law, but is altogether void and of no force."
Thomas Jefferson: Draft Kentucky Resolutions, 1798. ME 17:383.

"Moreover, states must be prepared to cede some sovereignty to world bodies if the international system is to function. ..challenging one of sovereignty’s fundamental principles: the ability to control what crosses borders in either direction. Globalisation thus implies that sovereignty is not only becoming weaker in reality, but that it needs to become weaker. States would be wise to weaken sovereignty in order to protect themselves, because they cannot insulate themselves from what goes on elsewhere. Sovereignty is no longer a sanctuary."
Richard N. Haass, President, Council on Foreign Relations(CFR), Sovereignty and globalisation

"The burden of debt is as destructive to freedom as subjugation by conquest."
Benjamin Franklin
SECRETS OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE
On September 30, 1941, before the same Committee, Governor Eccles was asked by Representative Patman:
"How did you get the money to buy those two billion dollars worth of Government securities in 1933?
ECCLES: We created it.
MR. PATMAN: Out of what?
ECCLES: Out of the right to issue credit money.
MR. PATMAN: And there is nothing behind it, is there, except our Government’s credit?
ECCLES: That is what our money system is. If there were no debts in our money system, there wouldn’t be any money."
On June 17, 1942, Governor Eccles was interrogated by Mr. Dewey.
ECCLES: "I mean the Federal Reserve, when it carries out an open market operation, that is, if it purchases Government securities in the 167 open market, it puts new money into the hands of the banks which creates idle deposits.
DEWEY: There are no excess reserves to use for this purpose?
ECCLES: Whenever the Federal Reserve System buys Government securities in the open market, or buys them direct from the Treasury, either one, that is what it does.
DEWEY: What are you going to use to buy them with? You are going to create credit?
ECCLES: That is all we have ever done. That is the way the Federal Reserve System operates.
The Federal Reserve System creates money. It is a bank of issue."
At the House Hearing of 1947, Mr. Kolburn asked Mr. Eccles:
"What do you mean by monetization of the public debt?
ECCLES: I mean the bank creating money by the purchase of Government securities. All is created by debt--either private or public debt.
FLETCHER: Chairman Eccles, when do you think there is a possibility of returning to a free and open market, instead of this pegged and artificially controlled financial market we now have?
ECCLES: Never. Not in your lifetime or mine."
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#41. To: Government Shills (#40)
kisses and hugs.

"As of late we seem to be auditing only poor people," said IRS agent Jennifer Long. "The current IRS management does not believe anyone in this country can possibly live on less than $20,000 a year, insisting that anyone below that level must be cheating by understating their true income.

"Currently, in a typical case assigned for audit, there are no assets, no signs of wealth, no evidence that would support a suspicion of higher unreported income. So when the IRS does initiate an audit on these people, these individuals were already only one short step away from being on the street," Long continued.

"I can personally attest to the use of egregious tactics used by IRS revenue agents which are encouraged by members of the IRS management," Long said. "These tactics, which appear nowhere in the IRS manual, are used to extract unfairly assessed taxes from taxpayers, literally ruining families lives and businesses, all unnecessarily and sometimes illegally."
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#42. To: christine (#41)
Disregard subpoenas, Justice Dept. says
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#43. To: christine (#42)
BTTT
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Uncle Bill posted on 2007-07-12 19:34:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#44. To: Uncle Bill (#41)
In 1968, Tax Protestor Gordon Kahl stopped filing IRS 1040 Income Tax Returns. For 9 years thereafter, the IRS ignored him, but in 1977 after Gordon Kahl spoke on an evening radio talk show regarding the illicitness of the income tax, some 250 phone calls would come into the radio station over the next two days; either supporting Kahl in some aspect, or pledging never to file another tax return.
And with that, the IRS came down on Kahl like a ton of bricks. They quickly assembled a case against him and two weeks later threw a criminal prosecution against him for violating Title 26, Section 7203 ["Willful Failure to File"]. Gordon Kahl was a low-income farmer not even meeting minimal statutory standards for threshold income levels achieved before being required to file 1040s, but that was not about to stop the IRS, who is good at changing the facts by creating facts.

murdering b*st*rds

christine posted on 2007-07-12 19:39:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#45. To: christine (#44)
Yep
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Uncle Bill posted on 2007-07-12 19:53:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#46. To: christine (#44)
http://www.usdoj.gov/u sa o/law/news/wdl20061026.pdf

Hehehehehehehehehe
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Uncle Bill posted on 2007-07-12 20:03:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#47. To: christine (#44)
Tom Cryer NOT GUILTY! IRS fails again

8-)
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#48. To: christine (#47)
Jury Poster
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#49. To: All (#48)
These news organizations aren't exactly fast. 8-)

Source

Jury acquits lawyer of evading taxes
A Shreveport lawyer accused of not paying federal income taxes has been acquitted by a federal trial jury.
The jury in U.S. District Court voted, 12-0, to find Tommy Cryer not guilty of failure to file income tax.
Prosecutors indicted him on tax evasion charges last October, saying he didn't pay $73,000 to the IRS in 2000 and 2001.
The issue involved a trust in which Cryer was the trustee and received dividends, interest and stock income. Prosecutors said Cryer concealed those sources of income by not filing a tax return on behalf of that trust.
Cryer maintained he reported all applicable income, and the jury agreed.
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Uncle Bill posted on 2007-07-12 22:54:03 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#50. To: Uncle Bill (#48)
unfortunately, most jurors are rocks.

christine posted on 2007-07-12 22:56:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#51. To: christine (#50)
That is the biggest fear for most that know the truth.
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#52. To: christine (#50)
Here's a nice, neat package. Tax Policy and the U.S. Constitution

"Those numbers are pie in the sky. The books are cooked routinely year after year,"
Franklin C. Spinney - Department of Defense Analyst. Discussing accounting gimmicks at the Pentagon. Source

Pentagon Missing 2.3 Trillion
Video – Interview with Karen Kwiatkowski
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#53. To: christine (#50)
AIPAC on Trial - The lobby argues that good Americans spy for Israel
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#54. To: christine (#52)
I wish this was on your site, so everyone would see it everyday.

"Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake, since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government. ..Real Patriots, who may resist the intrigues of the favorite (nation), are liable to become suspected and odious; while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people, to surrender their interests...The Great rule of conduct for us, in regard to foreign Nations is in extending our commercial relations to have with them as little political connection as possible...So likewise, a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter without adequate inducement or justification. It leads also to concessions to the favorite nation of privileges denied to others which is apt doubly to injure the nation making the concessions; by unnecessarily parting with what ought to have been retained, and by exciting jealousy, ill-will, and a disposition to retaliate, in the parties from whom equal privileges are withheld. And it gives to ambitious, corrupted, or deluded citizens (who devote themselves to the favorite nation), facility to betray or sacrifice the interests of their own country, without odium, sometimes even with popularity; gilding, with the appearances of a virtuous sense of obligation, a commendable deference for public opinion, or a laudable zeal for public good, the base or foolish compliances of ambition, corruption, or infatuation. As avenues to foreign influence in innumerable ways, such attachments are particularly alarming to the truly enlightened and independent patriot."
George Washington - Washington's Farewell Address.

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Uncle Bill posted on 2007-07-13 2:13:39 ET (3 images) Reply Trace Private Reply
#55. To: christine (#54)
WHAT IS TAXED
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#56. To: christine, All (#55)
"Live" With Tom Cryer, Larry Becraft, Ed and Elaine On RBN

31 Questions and Answers about the Internal Revenue Service,/font>

1040 Checkmate

What is “income”?

BRUSHABER v. UNION PACIFIC R. CO., 240 U.S. 1 (1916)

Former IRS agent goes to court to defend the tax law as written, not as imagined

What is "income"? Answer: decidedly NOT everything that "comes in" (aka "gross receipts")

Tennessee man found not guilty of tax charges

Larry Becraft, lead counsel

In an amazing court case involving the "income tax," a Chattanooga jury agreed with the argument by the defendant that the "income tax" is actually an excise tax and only applies to certain classes of people.
Nationally prominent attorney Lowell Becraft of Huntsville, Alabama, assisted by attorney Russell J. Leonard of Sewanee, Tennessee, who defended Lloyd R. Long of Decherd, Tennessee, who was charged by the Internal Revenue Service with "willful failure to file income tax returns" for the years 1989 and 1990.
In presenting the case for the IRS, assistant U.S. Attorney Curtis Collier, assisted by Special Agent Michael Geasley of the IRS, declared that Mr. Long had gross income in excess of $49,000 for each of the years 1989 and 1990, and that he had "willfully" failed to file income tax returns for those years as "required by law."
The defense admitted that Mr. Long did in fact have income in excess of $49,000 for each of the years in question and that he did not file a return. He then proceeded to prove to the jury beyond a reasonable doubt that he was not "liable" for an income tax, nor was he "required by law" to file.
Defense testimony presented a case titled Brushaber v. Union Pacific Railroad, 240 U.S. 1, wherein it was the unanimous decision of the U.S. Supreme Court that the Sixteenth Amendment did not give Congress any new power to tax any new subjects. It merely tried to simplify the way in which the tax was imposed. It also showed that the income tax was in fact an excise tax on corporate privileges and privileged occupations.
The defense then brought out a case entitled Flint v. Stone Tracy, 220 U.S. 107, wherein an excise tax was defined as a tax being laid upon the manufacture, sale and consumption of commodities within the country upon licenses to pursue certain occupations and upon corporate privileges.
Mr. Long's attorneys also brought out a case entitled Simms v. Arehns, cite omitted, wherein the court ruled that the income tax was neither a property tax nor a tax upon occupations of common right, but was an excise tax.
The defense then brought out a case entitled Redfield v. Fisher, cite omitted, wherein the court ruled that the individual, unlike the corporation, cannot be taxed for the mere privilege of existing but that the individual's right to live and own property was a natural right upon which an excise tax cannot be imposed. Defense also pointed to a couple of studies done by the Congressional Research Service that shows the income tax is an excise tax.
Next, defense pointed out that in the Tennessee Supreme Court Case Jack Cole v. Commissioner, cite omitted, the court ruled that citizens are entitled by right to income or earnings and that could not be taxed as a privilege. And, in another Tennessee Supreme Court Case, Corn v. Fort, cite omitted, the court ruled that individuals have a right to combine their activities as partnerships and that this is a natural right, independent and antecedent of government.
The prosecution did not challenge or attempt to refute any of the cases cited or the conclusions of the courts.
Defense brought out in testimony the fact that nowhere in the Internal Revenue Code was anyone actually made liable for the income tax. They showed that in the IRS' own privacy act notice only three sections were cited and that none of these sections made anyone liable for the tax. They also proved that this was not an oversight by showing that the alcohol tax was worded so clearly that no one could misinterpret who was made liable for the alcohol tax.
Prosecution did not challenge or attempt to refute this point, nor were they able to show a statute that made anyone liable for the income tax.
Defense then presented the mission statement of the IRS stating that the income tax relied upon "voluntary compliance" and a statement from the head of alcohol and tobacco tax division of the IRS which in essence showed that the income tax is 100% voluntary, as opposed to the alcohol tax which is 100% enforced.
Mr. Long stated that in 1988 he knew that the income tax was in fact an excise tax and that he was not enjoying any corporate privileges nor engaged in any privileged occupation, that income or earnings from the exercise of common right could not be taxed as an excise or otherwise, that nowhere in the IR Code was he made liable for the tax and that the income tax was voluntary. But, Mr. Long was still so intimidated by the IRS that he filed and paid his voluntary assessment.
He then began a series of letters to the IRS explaining that he had no licenses or privileges issued to him by the federal government. He asked for direct answers to simple questions such as "Am I required to file federal income tax returns?" and "Am I liable for federal income taxes?" The IRS never gave a direct answer to any of his questions. Instead, they inferred and insinuated and extrapolated and beat around the bush and generally avoided answering. As a result, Mr. Long testified that he decided to stop "volunteering."
The IRS brought two "expert" witnesses. Both were actually IRS employees who had received training as professional witnesses. Upon cross-examination by Mr. Becraft, one witness stated that a secret code known only to the IRS and encoded on Mr. Long's permanent record [Note: This is the IMF, Individual Master File], showed that the IRS knew he was not required to mail or file a return. The witness made every effort to avoid this admission, to the point that she was beginning to frustrate the jury. The other witness, upon cross- examination by Mr. Becraft, gave testimony that conflicted with the privacy act notice.
The government also attempted to insinuate "guilt by association" in that they claimed Mr. Long had known and replied upon persons of questionable character. The argued that the writers of some of the books he read and people he knew had been convicted of tax-related charges in the past and were, in fact, criminals.
Mr. Long responded that just because a person had been convicted of a crime by a court, this did not invalidate everything he said. To illustrate, he pointed out that the Apostle Paul was a murderer but that by the Grace of God, he became the greatest of the Apostles. He added that he, Mr. Long, did not rely on anything that he did not personally check out thoroughly.
In summation, Mr. Becraft reminded the jury that Galileo was imprisoned for holding a belief that conflicted with what everyone else knew as a "fact" and that Columbus, acting on a belief which conflicted with what everyone else knew was a "fact," discovered something no one else thought existed.
The jury agreed with the defense. By finding Mr. Long "NOT GUILTY" on all counts, they have ventured into hitherto uncharted territory in their monumental decision.
A Chattanooga TV station quoted a government spokesman as saying that this case will change the way the IRS will handle such cases in the future. They indicated that they (the government) will be less likely to prosecute if a jury wasn't going to decide in their favor.
Mr. Long's spirit was best expressed when he was asked for a final statement by a reporter as he was leaving the courtroom. His words, "Glory be to God."
CR-1-93-1, United States of America v. Lloyd Long, filed in the U.S. District Court, Eastern District of Tennessee, decided on October 15, 1993.
The U.S. v. Long transcript plus exhibits of about 600 pages is available from Lloyd Long, 5048 Roarks Cove Rd, Decherd TN 37324; phone (615) 967-1402. The price is $250 plus shipping.
Permission is granted to republish this information.

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Uncle Bill posted on 2007-07-13 3:26:32 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#57. To: christine (#56)
CRAC KI NG THE CODE

A recent GAO inquiry reveals that about 113,800 contractors working for a variety of federal agencies, including the Pentagon and the General Services Administration, have built up $7.7 billion in unpaid taxes
450, 00 0 Federal Workers Are Tax Cheats
Bu sh Proposes $333 Billion Tax Increase

GAO REPORT: 61% of US Corporations Paid No Taxes - 71% of Foreign-Controlled Corporations Paid No Taxes From 1996 to 2000
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Uncle Bill posted on 2007-07-13 3:40:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#58. To: Uncle Bill (#9)
Great Information BTTT

christine posted on 2007-07-13 9:18:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#59. To: christine (#58)
WTPRN interview of court witness to Cryer trial ...
http://mp3.wtprn.com/Peymon07.html
Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say 'what should be the reward of such sacrifices?' Bid us and our posterity bow the knee, supplicate the friendship, plough, sow, and reap, to glut the avarice of the men who have let loose on us the dogs of war to riot in our blood and hunt us from the face of the earth?
If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!”
noone222 posted on 2007-07-13 9:40:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#60. To: Uncle Bill (#40)
"An act of the Congress of the United States ... which assumes powers ... not delegated by the Constitution, is not law, but is altogether void and of no force."

Gee, I wonder what happened....
"The Israelis control the policy in the congress and the senate." -- Senator Fullbright, Chair of Senate Foreign Relations Committee: 10/07/1973 on CBS' "Face the Nation".
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
richard9151 posted on 2007-07-13 13:16:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#61. To: Uncle Bill (#56)
It also showed that the income tax was in fact an excise tax on corporate privileges and privileged occupations.

That is pretty much how the income tax is collected in Mèxico, on corporations and people with special lic., and who work for the government, such as teachers. It is also interesting to note that the Hacienda (Mèxico's IRS) agents are trained by the IRS.
I have no doubt that what was found before, about how all tax codes are pretty much identical world wide, is true. And, that they were probably written by the Jesuits.
It is also interesting to note that the Long case was decided in 1993, but how many Americans have gone to prison over this issue since then? Why? Because the Long case can not be used as a presedent in their system. i.e., it is non- published. So unless the people hear about it, it simply does not exist.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
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#62. To: Uncle Bill (#13)
Day Two ended with the judge calling counsel into the judge's chamber and unloading... venting his frustration mainly aimed at Larry and Tom taking over the courtroom and plowing ahead with getting the Internal Revenue Code... the Code of Federal Regs, the Constitution and a plethora of Supreme Court cases in front of the jury.

I found this to be extremely interesting, as the judge does not sit in a court of law, and HE KNOWS IT! I suspect you know, as I do, that he sits in a tribunal. I posted this the other day;
The Judiciary Act of 1789 September 24, 1789. SECTION 1. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That the supreme court of the United States shall consist…
Now, we need to look at the Constitution; Article 3, Section 1:
“The judicial Power of the United States shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The Judges, both of the supreme and inferior Courts, …”
Since Congress was ordered to establish and clearly did establish the supreme court of the United States, as an inferior court, BECAUSE THE CONGRESS IS NOT COMMANDED TO ESTABLISH ANY OTHER COURT, the Supreme Court is an inferior court to the one supreme Court established by the Constitution. That court, the one supreme Court, has never sat. ...
... Clearly, the Senate and the Congress established the so-called Supreme Court of the United States, and what they create, they control. It should also be noted that the process of this court issues in the name of the President of the United States, rather than under it’s own authority, and this is because this court has no authority on it’s own; it is not the court detailed in Article 3 of the Constitution. It is an administrative court created by Congress.
Since that judge's so-called court answers to the so-called Supreme Court; it is the same type of court! The judge has a LOT of problems when law comes into the court! Made me laugh, it did!
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
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