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Title: The best 911 explanation available
Source: AFPN
URL Source: http://disc.server.com/discussion.c ... 9495;article=107154;title=APFN
Published: Dec 19, 2006
Author: John Ray
Post Date: 2006-12-19 14:09:17 by richard9151
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Views: 5521
Comments: 52

I found this to be interesting, to say the least!

John Ray

The best 911 explanation available

Sun Dec 17, 2006 22:41

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The best 911 explanation available

...But that's not the most amazinf insight that Shayler has. Even more than this is how 911 was a failed operation. Failed? But it was perfect! The buildings came down!

Yes... but we didn't see the entire game. It's been staring us in the face all this time but it took a brilliant mind with inside information (access to the most classified of intelligence documents) to piece it together. Shayler really is that intelligent. Spend 5 minutes with him and you will see what I mean.

Well, the end game was this: Flight 93 was to land on the Whitehouse. You see, under US law at the time, if that happened, it would be martial law in the US and under those conditions, the entire 911 plot could have been completely tidied up, all the evidence buried. We would not be able to have the 911 truth movement today. Anyone claiming that it was an inside job would be so far out on the extremes of conspiracy theory that they would never be taken seriously and certainly must less of the material available today would have been available to the truth movement.

Now we KNOW that this was planned (martial law) because on the 10th Nov 2001 it had been put in the MSM! There were articles published to the American people about how martial law could be enacted in the event of the US government (Washington DC) being attacked directly. So the US population was actually PRIMED for that.

Not only that, but the antrax attacks DID attack the US government, only it was too late then to declare martial law so Plan B didn't bail them out either. And worse, the antrax was traced by the FBI to US laboratories where on a few select personnel had access to it so it was undeniably and inside job. Which is why the headlines claiming that the anthrax was Iraqi played enough to imprint the mantra in the population's minds, then the entire anthrax hoax was made to quietly and quickly disappear.

So what went wrong?

The shooting down of 93 was a renegade action by a true American hero officer and the pilot that did the deed. The order to shoot down WAS NOT GIVEN. I.e. The inaction was there to guarantee the Whitehouse would be hit. Instead of the lies in the movie "United 93", the real hero of 911 was indeed associated with flight 93 coming down but it was not some fictious all American man in the street blued eyed boys. The real hero remains unknown. Anonymous. Denied. The real hero was the officer that saw the no-shoot as a NORAD botch and did his job and had that aircraft shot down.

The entire planet owes that man its thanks. I wonder if he even lived through the day? They may well have shot him on sight.

Now, I haven't researched this but I am willing to bet good money that if you go back in the news archives, you will find that NONE of the important people were in the Whitehouse on 911. You may even find Bush opponents WERE in the Whitehouse that day!

Not only that, but as Shayler points out, Jeb Bush jumped the gun. He declared martial law too soon in Florida. There was no reason for that declaration and it's one of those key facts that the 911 truth movement has missed. It's key fact for prosecuting as conspiracy to the murders, Jeb Bush as well as the usual suspects in the Administration. It's the smoking gun against Jeb Bush being an insider.

But the "failure" in NORAD and the other points of control, i.e. the things that were meant to allow 93 to hit the Whitehouse were undone by a quick-thinking officer who ordered the plane to be taken down. 93 was, to use Shayler's term, a key failure in the plot. A cockup that, to quote Shayler "they simply didn't expect or plan for this".

When you realise this truth, suddenly many of the loose ends click into place. Suddenly, so much makes sense. So many of the Bush "incompetancies" are shown to be not incompetance, but quickstepping out a contingency. The inept Zionist neoCon scrambling and bumbling of the invasion is suddenly very clearly a group of well-rehearsed, well-disciplined, well-planned people wrongfooted by the most unexpected of cockups.

Flight 93 is where 911 went wrong for them. And one of the reasons that the propaganda around that plane was in overdrive. United 93 the film, the stories of the heros, the only "black box that survived"... all these were disctractions. Very clever distractions. You see, by keeping the "was it shot down" debate going as an initial catch point for the sheep, backed up by the "how come the mobile phones worked?" as the catch-point for those not fooled by the first catch-point, no-one got thinking about the actual flight itself and the key role it played. No-one has been thinking about the possibility that it was a monumental cockup that the plotters simply hadn't accounted for. No-one has been thinking "what if it had reached its target, what would have happened?". And that's clever human manipulation for you. That's really clever brains thinking at high speed to bail out of a catastrophe.

But 93 went badly wrong for the plotters. Because it gave that little window of opportunity for the truth movement to see the faults in the story, see the holes in the evidence and start to question the official line. Martial law was meant to ensure that no questions could be asked, no evidence could survive and no-one would have the time to ask because of what was meant to immediately follow. The sequence of events would have been so swift that we would be focussed now on the fallout of the WMD use that was almost certainly in the plan. 911 would be a minor footnote that no-one would be interested in by now.

Had 93 reached "mission complete". Had martial law been declared, complete control over the media, release of information and the cleanup (getting rid of the evidence) would have happened and bingo! The entire 911 plot would have played out and the world right now would have been a completely different place. Iran, Syria, Iraq, North Korea, Afghanistan probably would have had nuclear weapons used against them to simply "solve the problem". With the US government "wiped out", no-one would have either held the Bush crowd accoutable nor have the ability to even if they tried.

Which explains another anomally about the plot: How the Zionist neoCons so totally screwed up the invasions without an exit strategy. The visible evidence being the mess that Iraq is in with the US having its butt kicked.

See, they never needed an exit strategy because they were never going to invade the way that they were forced to. That was NOT the plan. The plan was to use the overwhelming force of American super weapons in quick, lethal blows that the world would have had to stand by and accept because the US government itself would have been directly attacked, possibly with key opponents to the Bush WH wiped out as part of the deal. Who would stop the US? Indeed, who would even BLAME the US?

Their original plan was perfect. It was a good plan. I was a perfect plan.

There was no need to plant a passport. There was no need to explain 911. If you don't explain, then there are no holes in the story because there simply is no story. Your cover is perfect. No 911 commission, no NIST scrambling to prove the impossible, no questions about WTC7. Nothing to attack the Zionist neoCon agenda with because no accountability given because under martial law, the US government would be unassailable.

And that also explains those massive FEMA detention camps that GLP was so hyped up about many years ago. We were all mystified as to why they were being built. Now it's clear! Even under martial law there would have been those who didn't agree with the Zionist neoCons. Those detention camps would have been filled with these dissidents.

Sit back and think of all the odd behaviour that has puzzled us about the BushCo. How they seem to have wrongfooted themselves all the time. And think about how things would have been different if Flight 93 had hit its target. It all makes perfect sense.

Behind the scenes there must have been frantic redrawing of plans. Years and years of careful, step-by-step detail was trashed when that missile hit 93. And because of that, errors were made. And because of THAT, we have the truth movement and the very real chance to expose this hoax and nail the guilty parties.

Which could be why Bush bought into Paraguay.

Also, look at where Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Wolfowitz, Bremer and all the other PNAC players were on the day. Look at their actions. In the light of what was EXPECTED to happen, it all makes sense. Perfect, perfect sense.

This is a startling revelation by Shayler and an absolute lynchpin in understanding 911 and what has followed. It explains so much, ties up so many loose ends and just fits the picture so well, even down to the reactions of the people involved, that it really is the only credible missing piece.

And more still, it's clear that the recycling deal must have been planned months before for the steel shipments from the 911 demolition. All that executed perfectly. But rather than it being a secret kept "for security reasons" away from any public knowledge for decades to come, maybe even centuries, it's now in the open. And one more item to point at the guilty parties.

For me personally, it's the effectiveness of the psyops of Flight 93 that gets me. How the diversion has worked so extremely well, How the realisation of how 911 was actually a massive cockup simply hasn't featured anywhere up until now.

That makes me shake my head in admiration for the brains that pulled it together. Real professionals. Nasty, evil, but so very clever.

Originally posted at: [link to http://godlikeproductions.com]

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#12. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#11)

Guessing that it's self-life on fr was measured in milli-seconds...

Somewhere in Texas...
a village is missing its idiot.

Lod  posted on  2006-12-20   13:32:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: richard9151 (#0)

They, the Happy Hooligans, a unit of 3 F-16 aircraft, were ordered to head toward Pennsylvania. At 0957 they spotted their target; After confirmation orders were received, A one Major Rick Gibney fired two sidewinder missiles at the aircraft and destroyed it in mid flight at precisely 0958;

He was awarded a medal from the Governor one year later for his heroic actions. As well as Decorated by Congress on 9/13/2001. The Happy Hooligans were previously stationed in North Dakota, and moved to Langley Air Force base some months before 911 occurred on a "Temporary assignment."

yup, I remembered that too....they were sitting around waiting for the order 'to roll', i guess. what's the truth...what's the truth.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-12-20   13:33:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: lodwick (#12)

something like that...I was just now wondering if that was the one that got me, and wondered at the time I posted if it would....but I don't think it was....don't remember at the moment what it was that got me banned.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-12-20   13:36:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#11)

Plane crashes do not yield debris fields of six to eight miles - I've read/heard both estimated distances.

Somewhere in Texas...
a village is missing its idiot.

Lod  posted on  2006-12-20   13:37:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: lodwick (#15)

I've heard both estimates as well...I guess I don't understand what SKYDRIFTER is saying. If there WERE a several mile long debris trail, it would have to have to have been shot down. He's not saying there was not a Flight 93, is he? 'Course, I've read there was no flight 77, so who knows?

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-12-20   13:46:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#14)

...don't remember at the moment what it was that got me banned.

I think that it was the open-border situation that got me booted - but I really don't remember either - it could have been any number of topics.

Somewhere in Texas...
a village is missing its idiot.

Lod  posted on  2006-12-20   13:55:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, SKYDRIFTER, all (#16)

If there WERE a several mile long debris trail, it would have to have to have been shot down. He's not saying there was not a Flight 93, is he? 'Course, I've read there was no flight 77, so who knows?

I'm not clear on Sky's belief re: #93 - and I've also heard the "no 77" existed story also.

Somewhere in Texas...
a village is missing its idiot.

Lod  posted on  2006-12-20   13:58:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: lodwick (#17)

it could have been any number of topics.

so true. 'Free' Republic....what a joke. Like they hate us for our freedom.

freedom...there's a word....one of those on that NSA list that will bring the freedom-hating goons in the government down on your conversation.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-12-20   13:59:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: YertleTurtle, Richard9151 (#1)

Why did the buildings fall from the top down? Explosives at the bottom always make buildings fall from the bottom up.

Controlled demolition has been taken to a science. Charges are planted all the way from top to bottom. The timing sequence could be manipulated to create the collapses we witnessed from towers 1 and 2. 7 DID have the "appearance" we so often see in "known" controlled demolitions. But without a controlled demolition, it would have been virtually impossible to put 2 million tons of rubble into it's own basement. The debris heap would have gotten so tall as to have stopped the collapse before reaching ground level, yet in the collapse of the towers the destruction went all the way and included even the columns in the lower basement - a physical impossibility with a "normal collapse". (If you haven't done so, this may be a good time to go to Google video and watch 911 Mysteries)

I used to work as a boiler tube welder. I was once part of a crew that rebuilt a recovery boiler in a paper mill that had exploded. Recovery boilers are so named because they "recover" the acid mixture used to cook the rosin from the wood chips (to break the chips into their base fibers), and burn it in the boiler. This mixture which is burned has characteristics identical to grease/oil in that if it is on fire water added to the flame does not douse it, but only worsens it. Recovery boilers are some of the most "critical" boilers in existence because of the potential for disaster. A boiler is merely a firebox made of tubes carrying water... In the event of an explosion, (in a recovery boiler) any tubes ripped open will spill water onto a grease fire (as opposed to say a "coal burner" where the water would actually have a tendency to "douse" the fire...
In the boiler rebuild I am speaking of, there was MASSIVE destruction - buckstays were torn apart, steel mangled, some concrete shattered; YET the boilerhouse itself DID NOT COLLAPSE!!! All floors were intact, even the majority of the outer skin of the building itself was intact. In a boilerhouse, the boiler itself occupies the center of the building, comprising approximately 60% of the total of the building... In the example I'm talking about, the boiler was approximately 175' feet from the tubes in the "ceiling" to the tubes in the "floor", and occupied a "square" of approximately 80' on each side - one hell of a big "bomb"!!!! If this huge "bomb" couldn't cause the collapse of the building it was occupying, THERE IS NO WAY ON EARTH the towers could have collapsed from the impact of a single jet (per tower), and the resultant fires after those impacts....

Sad really.... Amerikans have been "dumbed down" in the institutions we call public schools, and have lost all recognition of "common sense", and the ability to use logic... And we wonder why this country is in the shape it's in...

No matter how noble the objectives of a government; if it blurs decency and kindness, cheapens human life, and breeds ill will and suspicion - it is an EVIL government. Eric Hoffer

innieway  posted on  2006-12-20   14:03:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#8)

The debris trail is all light-weight stuff - nothing to rationally suggest a shoot-down. My conviction is that the debris came from the ass-end of a C-130.

A shoot-down would have had a broad pattern of flaming debris & one hell of a black cloud at altitude. Instead, we see an ordnance explosion from the purported crash site.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-12-20   14:04:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: All (#18)

Interesting Flight 77 site -

http://www.le-pavillon.com/11/complot/flight.html

Somewhere in Texas...
a village is missing its idiot.

Lod  posted on  2006-12-20   14:05:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: SKYDRIFTER. all (#21)

Enough Flight 93 information to choke a horse here -

http://piratenews.org/flight93.html

Somewhere in Texas...
a village is missing its idiot.

Lod  posted on  2006-12-20   14:09:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, lodwick, Christine, Brian S, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, All (#19)

You didn't know???

SEE -

http://home.comcast.net/~skyd rifter/exp.htm


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-12-20   14:09:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: lodwick (#23)

Disinformation aside, there's no viable physical evidence to support a shoot- down. There's the problem.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-12-20   14:12:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: YertleTurtle (#1)

The only crickets are in your head. You are all alone with your government theory on this topic here at 4UM.

Instead of your one post drive by, why don't you keep posting and engage. Show 4UM all your great knowledge of 911.

4UM beat a couple posters here senseless, and there's plenty more if you need a good beating.

Mark

"I was real close to Building 7 when it fell down... That didn't sound like just a building falling down to me while I was running away from it. There's a lot of eyewitness testimony down there of hearing explosions. [..] and the whole time you're hearing "boom, boom, boom, boom, boom." I think I know an explosion when I hear it... — Former NYC Police Officer and 9/11 Rescue Worker Craig Bartmer

Kamala  posted on  2006-12-20   17:41:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: SKYDRIFTER (#24)

dang, I've got so much stress happening on my end, and I only had a brief look at your site. I have to do something right now, but just a couple of quick things.

Under "The Witnesses"

To agree, I spoke with a cab driver who said he was on the highway about 3 blocks [I think that is what he said] from the Pentagon, and he did not see any plane. He does not believe the govt story, and apparently he knows a lot of people who feel the same way.

Secondly, I HEARD "it", whatever "it" was. I was SOUTH of the Pentagon, and it sounded like it was going right over me, low, fast, loud, and kind of whistling. My thought was it sounded like a missile, but I have never been in a war zone, so my frame of reference might not be that great. However, for about a month afterward, I would catch myself saying "when the Pentagon was bombed". I can't figure out why it sounded to me like it hit to the west of the Pentagon....maybe the sound can be deceiving. Maybe it didn't really go over me, but just sounded like it did. But there was definitely a sound. Someone who was with me at the time said they heard TWO explosions. I immediately got on the phone so maybe that was why I missed the possible second explosion. It was loud - I was about a mile away - and it rattled the windows, shook the house, and blew the door open. I kick myself that I did not go up to the lookout across from the Pentagon until a few days later. I was expecting some 'event', having been forewarned by Lyndon LaRouche, and like the article was intimating, I was just waiting for the tanks in the streets at any moment.

Have you ever contemplated this angle:

"Missile & remote control systems added to small jets before 9-11; same parts found at Pentagon

Two civilian defense contractor employees--told to remain silent--say other workers quietly retro-fitted missile and remote control systems onto A-3 jets at Colorado public airport prior to September 11 when similar A-3 parts much smaller than a Boeing 757 were found at Pentagon

Presidential candidate says scores of retired and active military and intelligence officials would testify before current grand jury probing government involvement in 9/11 attacks

by Tom Flocco

Fort Collins, Colorado -- May 26, 2005 -- http://TomFlocco.com -- According to two civilian defense contractor employees working at commercial corporate facilities at Fort Collins-Loveland Municipal Airport (left), in the months before the September 11 attacks U.S. Air Force defense contractors brought in A-3 Sky Warrior aircraft under cover of darkness to be completely refitted and modified at the small civilian airport in Colorado.

The revelations are important evidence for a reportedly ongoing secret 9/11 probe because widely available Federal Emergency Management Administration (FEMA) photographs taken during the attacks clearly show that the few aircraft parts found at the Pentagon belonged to a small jet very similar to a modified A-3 Sky Warrior--not the American Airlines Boeing 757.........

"The two witnesses say that separate military contractor teams--working independently at different times--refitted Douglas A-3 Sky Warriors (above) with updated missiles, Raytheon's Global Hawk unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) remote control systems, fire control systems, engines, transponders, and radio-radar-navigation systems--a total makeover, seemingly for an operation more important than use as a simple missile testing platform for defense contractor Hughes-Raytheon...."

"...Air-traffic controllers from the Washington, DC sector originally said the incoming plane was a military jet according to reports; but no grand jury has called them to testify and they have been strangely gagged from speaking out.

One air traffic controller from another Northeast sector revealed to a 9-11 widow that FBI threats were made of both a personal and career nature: "You are ordered never to speak about what you saw on your screen during the attacks; and if you do, things will not go well for you and your family."..."

I haven't read the article in a while, and I have some things to do, but if the transponders were switched, and radar showed the plane was MILITARY, and with the confusion of the "drills" being run that day, that might explain why Flight 77 was not shot down.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-12-20   18:14:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: SKYDRIFTER (#27)

LINK:

http://www.tomflocco.com/fs /WitnessesLink.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-12-20   18:17:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#28)

I saw this before, good stuff.

What really happened: 911 Fact file

http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,451741,00.html

"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2006-12-20   18:44:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#29)

That link is full of BS.

Mark

"I was real close to Building 7 when it fell down... That didn't sound like just a building falling down to me while I was running away from it. There's a lot of eyewitness testimony down there of hearing explosions. [..] and the whole time you're hearing "boom, boom, boom, boom, boom." I think I know an explosion when I hear it... — Former NYC Police Officer and 9/11 Rescue Worker Craig Bartmer

Kamala  posted on  2006-12-20   18:51:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Kamala (#30)

which link?

We all know 7 was a controlled demolition.

If you can find it mentioned in the 911 Report I'll give $100

"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2006-12-20   18:55:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#31)

http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,451741,00.html

This one.

Mark

"I was real close to Building 7 when it fell down... That didn't sound like just a building falling down to me while I was running away from it. There's a lot of eyewitness testimony down there of hearing explosions. [..] and the whole time you're hearing "boom, boom, boom, boom, boom." I think I know an explosion when I hear it... — Former NYC Police Officer and 9/11 Rescue Worker Craig Bartmer

Kamala  posted on  2006-12-20   19:04:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#27)

Secondly, I HEARD "it", whatever "it" was. I was SOUTH of the Pentagon, and it sounded like it was going right over me, low, fast, loud, and kind of whistling. My thought was it sounded like a missile, but I have never been in a war zone, so my frame of reference might not be that great. However, for about a month afterward, I would catch myself saying "when the Pentagon was bombed". I can't figure out why it sounded to me like it hit to the west of the Pentagon....maybe the sound can be deceiving. Maybe it didn't really go over me, but just sounded like it did. But there was definitely a sound. Someone who was with me at the time said they heard TWO explosions. I immediately got on the phone so maybe that was why I missed the possible second explosion. It was loud - I was about a mile away - and it rattled the windows, shook the house, and blew the door open.

interesting to read your personal experience.

christine  posted on  2006-12-20   19:09:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Kamala (#32)

Firemen: "boom-boom-boom-boom" at WTC

"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2006-12-20   19:11:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#34)

I don't understand what you are getting at. Have you read that link you posted?

Mark

"I was real close to Building 7 when it fell down... That didn't sound like just a building falling down to me while I was running away from it. There's a lot of eyewitness testimony down there of hearing explosions. [..] and the whole time you're hearing "boom, boom, boom, boom, boom." I think I know an explosion when I hear it... — Former NYC Police Officer and 9/11 Rescue Worker Craig Bartmer

Kamala  posted on  2006-12-20   19:13:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Kamala (#35)

that link was just more evidence/questions.

Bld 7 was NOT mentioned in the 911 Report. That would have led to more questions about WTC Blds.

"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2006-12-20   19:15:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#36)

OK. Now I understand. There was some really misleading info in the articles responses. The replies about NIST/FEMA were really flat out lies.

Mark

"I was real close to Building 7 when it fell down... That didn't sound like just a building falling down to me while I was running away from it. There's a lot of eyewitness testimony down there of hearing explosions. [..] and the whole time you're hearing "boom, boom, boom, boom, boom." I think I know an explosion when I hear it... — Former NYC Police Officer and 9/11 Rescue Worker Craig Bartmer

Kamala  posted on  2006-12-20   19:21:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Kamala (#37)

Are Attacks On 9/11 Researchers Growing??? -
www.rense.com

Part II -
www.rawstory.com

Part III
http://www.rense.com/general73/ZZIBN.HTM

"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2006-12-20   19:40:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: christine (#33)

I was thinking about it again this morning, and while sound can be deceiving, I suppose, it really did sound like it was directly overhead. This will tick of SKYDRIFTER, and that is not my intent, but I know 9/11 was a Judeo-Masonic/etc. plot, with heavy religious overtones. It might be considered the opening salvo in the last battle that began in Gen. 3:15. Just think of all the demonic faces that appeared in the Towering Inferno [Rev. 20:7?]. Anyway, one day I happened across the article THE DISTRICT OF CYDONIA, and it got me to thinking about that Satanic Masonic Temple [dedicated to George Washington] in Alexandria, just south of here. I'm not the only one who thinks it's satanic. I have read one author who alluded to some of the things that go on in there, but he did not elaborate, and I can only imagine. The fact that there is what appears to be an incinerator on the grounds, when we have excellent trash service here, only feeds my apprehension. My sister was staying in Alexandria with some business accociates, and before I said anything to her, she started relaying to me the bad vibes these people were getting from that place. Anyway, I have read that the temple sits on the highest ground in Alexandria, and that the land it sits on was [is?] called Shooter's Hill. That got me thinking, and I got out a map of the area, and if I had to give a direction for whatever it was I heard, I think it would be safe to say if you drew a straight line from the temple to the Pentagon, that would be the direction whatever I heard was travelling. Yet it actually sounded like it hit a bit west of the Pentagon. Like I said, I can't figure it out. I think it was probably 5 seconds or less from the time that I first heard it, until it hit, but then again, time stands still, they say, in moments like that. It really bothers me, knowing something was coming, HEARING it, seeing the smoke and smelling the funes, knowing people were dead and dying a short distance away, and knowing the govt was behind it, but not knowing exactly what happened to this day. I keep hoping I'll come here one day, and someone will have it all figured out. I've spent time at many of the 911 sites, but they often freeze my computer, and it just gets too frustrating, not to mention, I half expect the local gestapo to come and break the door down!

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-12-21   10:22:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#29)

Thank you...I'll try to take a look. Please see my previous post.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-12-21   10:27:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Itisa1mosttoolate, *9-11* (#38)

ping to Itisa1mosttoolate's post with links.

You can always tell when you're getting close to the truth.

"The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer."
---Henry Kissinger, New York Times, October 28, 1973

robin  posted on  2006-12-21   11:18:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: richard9151, Christine, Robin, Aristeides, Diana, Honway, All (#0)

The Flight-93 'shoot-down' has no viable merit - start there. Flights 77 & 93 are both still missing!


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-12-21   16:34:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: richard9151 (#0)

CNN over flight 93 and the White House: http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/05/23/flight.93/index.html

Ubu Roi  posted on  2007-07-31   18:05:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Ubu Roi (#43)

Coincidentally, a caller to the Alex Jones today referenced this youtube video, Flight 93 Crashes into Camp David. There is Part 1 and Part 2, but I don't see Part 2 linked.

christine  posted on  2007-07-31   18:14:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: christine (#44)

Go back to Part 1 and he links to Part 2 in the sidebar stuff.

Join the Ron Paul Revolution

Lod  posted on  2007-07-31   18:31:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: christine (#44)

--

Part 2

Thesis: Official 9/11 story is an unproven conspiracy theory. http://911truth.org http://Justicefor911.org http://summeroftruth.org Probable-cause standards have been met for an unlimited investigation of unsolved crimes relating to the events of Sept. 11, including allegations of criminal negligence, cover-up, complicity or commission of the attacks by US officials and assets of intel services.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-07-31   18:33:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Ferret Mike (#46)

Part 2 seems to be part 1 ...

"The mighty are only mighty because we are on our knees. Let us rise!" --Camille Desmoulins

noone222  posted on  2007-07-31   19:17:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: noone222 (#47)

Huh, and it says part 2 on it. Thanks for the heads up. Crazy how they did this.

Thesis: Official 9/11 story is an unproven conspiracy theory. http://911truth.org http://Justicefor911.org http://summeroftruth.org Probable-cause standards have been met for an unlimited investigation of unsolved crimes relating to the events of Sept. 11, including allegations of criminal negligence, cover-up, complicity or commission of the attacks by US officials and assets of intel services.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-07-31   19:35:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: richard9151 (#0)

Richard Clarke's book and numerous other accounts have Dick and Lynne Cheney in the White House bunker from early in the morning of 9/11.

Of course, I suppose this could all be a cover story. And I have seen one account -- I forget where -- which states that Cheney was at his secret location at the time.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-07-31   19:41:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: richard9151 (#0)

good post

"First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win." --Mahatma Gandhi

angle  posted on  2007-07-31   19:43:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: richard9151 (#0)

Long list of P.N.A.C. Traitors includes this mutt - Bush, Jeb – Governor of Florida. History: Banned convicted felons from voting in the 2000 presidential election, using an extremely inaccurate system to remove voting rights; allowed ineligible absentee ballots to be counted.

Partial list of people associated with the Project For The New American Century.

- People are identified as being connected to the PNAC because either they are listed on the organisation’s web site, or their names appear as authors/contributors on official PNAC documents. Information current to Dec. 2004. [back to main document]

Abramowitz, Morton - Senior Fellow at the Century Foundation.

Abrams, Elliot - National Security Council – top advisor on the Middle East. Alumnus of the Heritage Foundation. History: As Assistant Secretary of State for Human Rights and Humanitarian Affairs under Reagan, was responsible for covering up war crimes committed by the U.S. backed Contras. Was charged in connection with the Iran-Contra affair, and pled to lesser charges. Was later pardoned by Bush Sr. The British media reported Elliot was behind the attempted Chavez coup in Venezuela.

Allen, Richard V. - member: National Security Advisory Board, and the Defense Policy Board. President of the Richard V. Allen Company (consulting firm). Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institute. History: founding chairman for the Heritage Foundation’s Asian Studies Center. Founding member of the Committee on the Present Danger. Former board member of the Center for Strategic and International Studies. Assistant to the President for National Security affairs during the Reagan administration, but forced from office over suspected financial misconduct.

Anderson, Mark A. - unable to verify biographical information from multiple sources (other than PNAC involvement).

Armitage, Richard - Deputy Secretary of State. History: Former board member of CACI, the private military contractor whose employees were responsible for torturing prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison. Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs during the Reagan Administration. Named by the government as one of the people guilty of supplying weapons in the Iran Contra Affair, but never charged.

Au, Andrew Y. - unable to verify biographical information from multiple sources (other than PNAC involvement).

Bang-Jensen, Nina - executive director of the Coalition for International Justice.

Bao-Lord, Bette - member of the Council on Foreign Relations (director until 2003). Chairman of Freedom House. Wife of ex-ambassador to China Winston Lord, who is Co-chairman of the International Rescue Committee.

Barnett, Roger - professor at the Naval War College (a government facility). History: Vice President of the National Institute for Public Policy. Professor at Georgetown University.

Bauer, Gary – founder of the Campaign for Working Families, president of American Values. History: past president of the Family Research Council. Under Secretary of Education in the Reagan administration.

Bennet, William J. – co-director of Empower America, co-director of Partnership for a Drug-Free America, Distinguished Fellow of the Heritage Foundation. Writer. History: Secretary of Education under Reagan.

Bergner, Jeffrey - study group member of the Commission on National Security 21st Century. Member of the board of trustees for the Hudson Institute, and the Asia Foundation. His lobbying company represents a number of weapons contractors, among other major corporations. History: Staff Director for the Senate Foreign Relations Committee during the Reagan administration.

Bernstein, Alvin - unable to verify biographical information from multiple sources (other than PNAC involvement).

Bernstein, Robert L. - Professor at the National Defense University (a government facility). History: worked at the Naval War College (government facility), and in the Defense Department.

Biddle, George - member of the Council on Foreign Relations, and Senior Vice President of the International Rescue Committee (allegedly a relief organisation).

Bolton, John R. - Under Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security. History: Senior Vice President of the American Enterprise Institute. Assistant Secretary for International Organization Affairs for the Department of State under Bush Sr. Assistant Attorney General for the Department of Justice under Reagan.

Boot, Max - Senior Fellow of the National Security Studies. Contributing Editor for the Weekly Standard. History: editor of the Wall Street Journal, writer and editor for the Christian Science Monitor.

Bork, Ellen – Deputy Director of the PNAC. History: Transatlantic Fellow of the German Marshall Fund.

Boschwitz, Rudy - Presidential appointee to the Holocaust Memorial Council. One of the top fund-raisers for Bush Jr. in 2000. Founder of Home Valu Inc. Minnesota Senator (1978-1991).

Buckley, William F. Jr. - owner of National Review magazine. History: CIA agent in the Fifties. Hosted the television show Firing Line.

Bush, Jeb – Governor of Florida. History: Banned convicted felons from voting in the 2000 presidential election, using an extremely inaccurate system to remove voting rights; allowed ineligible absentee ballots to be counted.

Cambone, Stephen A. - Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence, Special Assistant to the Secretary and Director for Program Analysis and Evaluation – Department of Defense. History: Special Assistant to Donald Rumsfeld just prior to current appointments. Director in the Defense Department during the Bush Sr. administration. Past deputy director in SRS Technologies (Defense contractor).

Carlucci, Frank - Chairman Emeritus of the Carlyle Group, and Nortel Networks. Member of the board of United Defense Inc. Considered a protégé of D. Rumsfeld. History: Chairman of the Carlyle Group (1993-2000). Secretary of Defense during the Reagan administration. Deputy Director in the CIA. CIA agent. Accused of being behind the assassination of Congo Prime Minister Lumumba during the Sixties, but never charged.

Cheney, Dick – Vice President. Member of the Council on Foreign Relations. Employee(?) of Halliburton – draws a one million dollar per year salary. History: worked for D. Rumsfeld in 1969. Presidential assistant to Gerald Ford. Secretary of Defense for Bush Sr. Halliburton CEO 1995 to 2000; gains the company 3.8 billion dollars in federal contracts and guaranteed loans. Upon becoming Vice President, Halliburton receives billions of dollars in Iraq contracts not tendered to other companies. Behind installing Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, John Bolton, and Elliot Abrams into their current positions in government. Wife Lynne is a senior fellow with the American Enterprise Institute. Daughter Elizabeth is Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near East Affairs.

Clemons, Steven C. - Executive Vice President of the New America Foundation.

Cohen, Eliot A. - professor at Johns Hopkins University. Member of the Council on Foreign Relations. History: professor at the Naval War College. Previously worked for D. Rumsfeld.

Cropsey, Seth - Director of the International Broadcasting Bureau. History: Director in the Heritage Foundation. Visiting Fellow in the American Enterprise Institute. Assistant Editor of the Public Interest (1976-77). Hudson Institute researcher. Deputy Under Secretary in the Department of the Navy during the Reagan administration.

DeConcini, Dennis Webster - Chairman of the Board of Directors for the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children. History: eighteen years as Senator from Arizona. Member of the Balkan Action Committee.

Dale, Helle - Director in the Heritage Foundation.

Decter, Midge – Writer. Heritage Foundation director. Wife of Norman Podhoretz. Claims to worship Donald Rumsfeld, and has written a book for Rumsfeld admirers.

Dobriansky, Paula - Under Secretary of State for Global Affairs. History: Senior Vice President (Washington office) of the Council on Foreign Relations prior to appointment. Deputy Assistant Secretary for Human Rights and Humanitarian Affairs for the Department of State in the Reagan administration.

Donnelly, Thomas – Deputy Executive Director of the PNAC. History: Director of Strategic Communication and Initiatives for Lockheed Martin Corp. (weapons contractor).

Eberstadt, Nicholas - consultant for the State Department, consultant for the Bureau of the Census. Member of the American Enterprise Institute.

Edgar, Robert (Rev. Dr.) - General Secretary of the National Council of Churches of Christ. Ordained as an United Methodist. Former Congressman.

Epstein, David - employee at the Office of Secretary of Defense – Net Assessment.

Etzioni, Amitai - founder of the Communitarian Network, and editor of their magazine. Was Senior Advisor to the White House on Domestic Affairs during the Carter administration.

Fautua, David - unable to verify biographical information from multiple sources (other than PNAC involvement).

Feulner, Edwin J. Jr. - Heritage Foundation. History: advisor to President Reagan.

Forbes, Steve – President, CEO, and Editor-in-Chief of Forbes magazine. History: campaigned twice for the Republican nomination for president. Directed the dissemination of propaganda on Radio Free Europe and Radio Liberty during both the Reagan and Bush Sr. administrations.

Fradkin, Hillel - member of the Advisory Committee on International Education – Department of Education. Part of Benador Associates, a publicity firm handling clients such as PNAC members R. Perle, J. Woolsey, F. Gaffney, C. Krauthammer, and M. Boot. History: Fellow in the American Enterprise Institute prior to government appointment.

Friedberg, Aaron - Vice President’s Deputy National Security Advisor. History: Fellow of the Council on Foreign Relations. Consultant for the CIA.

Fukuyama, Francis - President’s Council on Bioethics. Member of the Council on Foreign Relations.

Gaffney, Frank – President and CEO of the Center for Security Policy, Washington Times columnist, brother of Devon Gaffney-Cross. History: worked for Richard Perle during the Reagan administration.

Gaffney-Cross, Devon - member of the Defense Policy Board (Pentagon). Member of the Board of Directors of the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments. Sister of Frank Gaffney.

Gejdenson, Sam - owns Sam Gejdenson International. Congressman (D) 1981 - 2000.

Gerecht, Reuel Marc – Senior Fellow of the PNAC, Resident Fellow of the American Enterprise Institute. History: former CIA agent (1985 – 1994). CBS News consultant on Afghanistan.

Goldman, Merle - Adjunct Professor for the Foreign Service Institute of the State Department.

Goure, Daniel - consultant for the Department of State, the Department of Defense, and the Department of Energy. Vice President of the Lexington Institute. Was a Study Team Leader for the Institute of Peace (1990-91).

Halperin, Morton H. - director for the Council on Foreign Relations, and for the Open Society Institute.

Hefferman, John - unable to verify biographical information from multiple sources (other than PNAC involvement).

Hooper, James R. - Executive Director of the Balkan Action Council.

Ikle, Fred C. – Distinguished Scholar for the Center for Strategic and International Studies. Member of the Council on Foreign Relations. History: Under Secretary of Defense for Policy in the Reagan administration.

Jackson, Bruce – President of the Project on Transitional Democracies. President of the Committee on NATO. Member: Council on Foreign Relations, International Institute for Strategic Studies, Board of Advisors for the Center for Security Policy. History: Director of Strategic Planning for Lockheed Martin Corp. (weapons contractor). Worked for Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, and Dick Cheney during the eighties.

Joyce, Michael S. - founder of Americans for Community and Faith-Centered Enterprise, an organisation created to help push through Bush Jr.’s “Faith- Based Initiative”. Member of the Research Council of America. Was part of the Presidential Transition Team for Reagan.

Kagan, Donald – Hillhouse Professor of History and Classics at Yale University. Writer. Father of Frederick and Robert Kagan.

Kagan, Frederick - Professor of military history at West Point. History: co-wrote, with his father Donald and other PNAC contributors, “While America Sleeps”.

Kagan, Robert - co-founder of the PNAC. Contributing Editor for the Weekly Standard and the New Republic; columnist for the Washington Post. Member of the Council on Foreign Relations. Husband of Victoria Nuland, Deputy National Security Advisor to the Vice President. History: Deputy in the Department of State under Elliot Abrams during the Reagan administration.

Kampelman, Max M. - Lawyer. Member of the Board of Trustees for Freedom House. Member of the Board of Advisors for the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs.

Karatnycky, Adrian - member of the Council on Foreign Relations, and Freedom House. History: worked for the New York Times, Washington Post, and Washington Times.

Kemble, Penn - Department of State – Head, Eminent Persons Group, Sudan Slavery Commission. Senior Fellow in Freedom House.

Kennedy, Craig - President of the German Marshall Fund.

Khalilzad, Zalmay - Ambassador to Afghanistan, Special Presidential Envoy to Afghanistan, and Special Presidential Envoy to the Free Iraqis. History: Senior Director of the National Security Council (2001 – 2003). Accused by candidates in the Afghan elections of arranging President Hamid Karzai’s victory. Worked for Paul Wolfowitz at the State Department in 1984 – 1985. Advisor to Unocal for their proposed gas pipeline project through Afghanistan (1997).

Killebrew, Robert B. - Colonel (retired) History: Security Strategies study member for PNAC. Consultant to a variety of army and private institute military projects.

Kirkpatrick, Jeane - on the executive committee of Freedom House, and the board of advisors of the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs. Member of the Council on Foreign Relations, and the Committee on the Present Danger. Former U.S. Ambassador. Member of the National Security Council under Reagan.

Koh, Harold Hongju - Dean of Yale. History: Assistant Secretary of State for Democracy, Human Rights and Labor in the Clinton administration.

Kovler, Peter - Nixon Center Advisory Council. Balkans Action Committee.

Krauthammer, Charles - Presidential appointee to the President’s Council On Bioethics. Columnist for the Washington Post. Contributing Editor for the New Republic, and the Weekly Standard. Member of the Editorial Board for the National Interest, and the Public Interest.

Kristol, William - co-founder of the PNAC. Columnist for (and co-founder of) the Weekly Standard. History: Chief of Staff to Vice President Dan Quayle, Secretary of Education Chief of Staff under William Bennett during the Reagan administration.

Lagon, Mark P. - Deputy Assistant Secretary of State. History: fellow of the Council on Foreign Relations. Deputy Director of the House Republican Committee. Senior advisor to Jeane Kirkpatrick - American Enterprise Institute.

Lasswell, James - Employee of GAMA Corporation (war games, military training via software).

Lehrman, Lewis E. - on the Board of Trustees for the Heritage Foundation, and the American Enterprise Institute. President and co-founder of the Citizens for America.

Libby, I. Lewis - Assistant to the President, and Chief of Staff to the Vice President. History: after graduating law school, went to work for Paul Wolfowitz (1981 - 1985) at the State Department. Hired again by Wolfowitz in 1989, this time at the Pentagon.

Lindberg, Tod - Research Fellow at the Hoover Institute. Editor of Policy Review journal.

Mack, Connie III - Congressman for Florida. Previously served in the Florida House of Representatives (2000 - 2003).

Maletz, Christopher – Assistant Director of the PNAC.

Markey, Mary Beth - Executive Director for the International Campaign for Tibet. Worked in the Senate Foreign Relations Committee prior to 1996.

Martinage, Robert - consultant for the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments.

McKivergan, Daniel – Deputy Director of the PNAC. History: research director for The Weekly Standard (1995 – 1997). Legislative director for Senator John McCain (2000), and for Congressman Dan Miller (1997).

Meese, Edwin III - Heritage Foundation. History: Attorney General during the Reagan administration. Investigated for his involvement in the Iraq Bechtel pipeline deal (which also involved D. Rumsfeld) - not prosecuted, but resigned.

Meilinger, Phil – U.S. Naval War College.

Muravchik, Joshua - Resident Scholar for the American Enterprise Institute. Member of the Board of Advisors for the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs.

Owens, Mackubin - professor at the Naval War College (a government facility).

Owens, Wayne - Deceased (December 18, 2002). History: eight years as Congressman (D) for Utah.

Peretz, Martin - owner and Editor-in-Chief of the New Republic magazine.

Perle, Richard N. - Pentagon Policy Advisor (resigned February 2004), member – Defense Policy Board. Member: Balkan Action Committee, Committee on the Present Danger, American Enterprise Institute associate. On advisory board of the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs. History: Assistant Secretary of Defense under Reagan. FBI suspected Perle of spying for Israel in 1970 - not prosecuted.

Pletka, Danielle - Vice President of Foreign and Defense Policy for the American Enterprise Institute. History: senior staff member of the U.S. Senate Committee on Foreign Relations (1992-2002).

Podhoretz, Norman - member of the Council on Foreign Relations. Husband of Midge Decter, father-in-law of Elliot Abrams.

Porter, John Edward - member of the RAND board of Trustees. History: Congressman until 2000.

Quayle, J. Danforth - was Vice President under Bush Sr.

Rodman, Peter W. - Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs. History: Staff Director of State Department Policy Planning under Reagan.

Rosen, Stephen P. - Harvard professor. History: professor at the Naval War College. Director in the National Security Council under Reagan.

Rowen, Henry S. - member of Department of Defense Policy Board. Presidential appointee to the Commission on the Intelligence Capabilities of the United States Regarding Weapons of Mass Destruction. History: Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs under Bush Sr. RAND Corporation president 1967–1972.

Rumsfeld, Donald - Secretary of Defense. Member: Hoover Institution board of trustees, RAND Corporation, Empower America board, Freedom House board, Balkan Action Committee, Committee on the Present Danger, Center for Security Policy. History: Congressman from 1962 to 1969. Member of Nixon’s cabinet. Member of Gerald Ford’s cabinet and Secretary of Defense. Chaired Ballistic Missile Threat (“Rumsfeld”) Commission in 1998.

Scheunemann, Randy – on PNAC Board of Directors, U.S. Committee on NATO Board of Directors. Treasurer for Project on Transitional Democracies. Lobbyist. History: Office of the Secretary of Defense - Consultant on Iraq Policy (2001).

Schmitt, Gary – Executive Director of the PNAC. Consultant to the Department of Defense.Member of the Board of Directors of the U.S. Committee on NATO. Visiting Fellow at the Brookings Institute. Adjunct Professor at John Hopkins University. History: Executive Director of the President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board under Reagan.

Schneider, William Jr. - Chairman of the Defense Science Board for the Department of Defense. President of International Planning Services, works for the lobbying company Jefferson Consulting Group. Previously served on the “Rumsfeld Commission”.

Shaw, Sin-Ming - resident scholar at Oxford University’s Oriel College.

Shulsky, Abram N. - Director: Defence Department’s Office Of Special Plans, a division created by Paul Wolfowitz. History: Worked for the RAND corporation. Worked under Richard Perle in the Defense Department during the Reagan administration.

Shultz, Richard - Professor of International Politics at the Fletcher School. Holds Chairs at the Naval War College and the U.S. Military Academy. Fellow at the Institute of Peace.

Simon, Paul - Deceased (Dec. 9/03). Former Democratic Senator.

Sokolski, Henry - Executive Director of the Nonproliferation Education Center. History: was Resident Fellow in the Heritage Foundation and the Hoover Institution. Was a Senior Legislative Aide for Senator Dan Quayle.

Solarz, Stephen J.- vice chairman of the International Crisis Group. Member of the Council on Foreign Relations. History: Congressman for New York (1975-93)

Sonnenfeldt, Helmut - Brookings Institution. History: member of the National Security Council. Advisor to President Nixon.

Sussman, Leonard - executive director of Freedom House. Was a journalist in New York.

Sweeney, John J. - President of the American Federation of Labor - Congress of Industrial Organizations (AFL-CIO). Member of the Council on Foreign Relations.

Taft, William Howard IV - Chief Legal Advisor to the Department of State. History: assistant to Casper Weinberger in the Nixon administration.

Thornburgh, Dick - Lawyer. Past governor of Pennsylvania. Attorney General in the Reagan and Bush Sr. administrations.

Tkacik, John - Heritage Foundation. President of China Business Intelligence. Worked in the State Department during the Reagan administration.

Turner, Ed - unable to verify biographical information from multiple sources (other than PNAC involvement).

Vickers, Michael - Director of Strategic Studies for the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments. Creator of “Future Warfare 20XX” games. Former CIA agent.

Waldron, Arthur - board member of Freedom House, member of the Council on Foreign Relations. History: professor at the Naval War College (1991-97).

Wallop, Malcolm - Heritage Foundation. Founder and Chairman of the Frontiers of Freedom. History: part of the Rumsfeld Commission. Senator for Wyoming (1977 - 1995).

Watts, Barry D. - Director of Program Analysis and Evaluation – Office of The Secretary of Defense. History: before government appointment, was a director in Northrop Gruman (weapons contractor).

Webb, James - was Secretary of the Navy and Assistant Secretary of Defense during the Reagan administration.

Weber, Vin - member of the National Commission on Public Service. Member of the German Marshall Fund – board of trustees. Co-founder of Empower America. Partner in Clark & Weinstock. History: Congressman for Minnesota 1980 – 1992.

Weigel, George – Senior Fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center. History: co-founded National Endowment for Democracy.

Weinberger, Caspar W.– writer. History: past publisher and chairman of Forbes magazine. Secretary of Defense under Reagan. Indicted on felony charges for his participation in supplying missiles to Iran, but pardoned by President Bush Sr.

Weyrich, Paul M. – President of the Free Congress Research and Education Foundation. National Chairman of Coalitions for America. History: co-founded Heritage Foundation. Co-founded the Moral Majority. Past treasurer of Council for National Policy.

Williams, Christopher A. - Department of Defense – Special Assistant to Donald Rumsfeld. Lobbyist for Boeing and Northrop Grumman Corporation (weapons contractors). History: member of Pentagon’s Deterrence Concepts Advisory Panel, and member of Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board during Bush Jr. administration.

Windsor, Jennifer L. - Executive Director of Freedom House. History: previously held various positions at the U.S. Agency for International Development.

Wolfowitz, Paul - Deputy Secretary of Defense, and Assistant to the Vice President. History: Head of the State Department’s Policy Planning Staff under Reagan. Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Regional Programs under Carter.

Woolsey, R. James - member of the Defense Policy Board, member of the Deterrence Concepts Advisory Panel, and member of the National Commission on Energy Policy. Trustee for the Center for Strategic and International Studies. Chairman of the Board of Trustees for Freedom House. Honorary Co-Chair of the National Security Advisory Council. History: Director of the CIA during Clinton administration.

Wortzel, Larry - Director in the Heritage Foundation.

Zakheim, Dov S. - Member of the advisory board for the American Jewish Committee, member of the Council on Foreign Relations, and Adjunct Scholar for the Heritage Foundation. Under Secretary and Chief Financial Officer for the Department of Defense (resigned April 15, 2004).

Zoellick, Robert B. - U.S. Trade Representative and member of President’s Cabinet. History: Under Secretary of State for Economic and Agricultural Affairs, then White House Deputy Chief of Staff in the Bush Sr. administration.

"The mighty are only mighty because we are on our knees. Let us rise!" --Camille Desmoulins

noone222  posted on  2007-08-01   4:17:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: richard9151 (#0) (Edited)

bump.

".... Had 93 reached "mission complete". Had martial law been declared, complete control over the media, release of information and the cleanup (getting rid of the evidence) would have happened and bingo! The entire 911 plot would have played out and the world right now would have been a completely different place. Iran, Syria, Iraq, North Korea, Afghanistan probably would have had nuclear weapons used against them to simply "solve the problem". With the US government "wiped out", no-one would have either held the Bush crowd accoutable nor have the ability to even if they tried.

Which explains another anomally about the plot: How the Zionist neoCons so totally screwed up the invasions without an exit strategy. The visible evidence being the mess that Iraq is in with the US having its butt kicked.

See, they never needed an exit strategy because they were never going to invade the way that they were forced to. That was NOT the plan. The plan was to use the overwhelming force of American super weapons in quick, lethal blows that the world would have had to stand by and accept because the US government itself would have been directly attacked, possibly with key opponents to the Bush WH wiped out as part of the deal. Who would stop the US? Indeed, who would even BLAME the US? ......."

In the last couple of days, I've realized there have been several instances of this:

www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Eze/Eze039.html#3

Often, however, God's instruments died in the process. God bless their souls.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2008-06-30   13:10:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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