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Title: The best 911 explanation available
Source: AFPN
URL Source: http://disc.server.com/discussion.c ... 9495;article=107154;title=APFN
Published: Dec 19, 2006
Author: John Ray
Post Date: 2006-12-19 14:09:17 by richard9151
Keywords: None
Views: 5509
Comments: 52

I found this to be interesting, to say the least!

John Ray

The best 911 explanation available

Sun Dec 17, 2006 22:41

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The best 911 explanation available

...But that's not the most amazinf insight that Shayler has. Even more than this is how 911 was a failed operation. Failed? But it was perfect! The buildings came down!

Yes... but we didn't see the entire game. It's been staring us in the face all this time but it took a brilliant mind with inside information (access to the most classified of intelligence documents) to piece it together. Shayler really is that intelligent. Spend 5 minutes with him and you will see what I mean.

Well, the end game was this: Flight 93 was to land on the Whitehouse. You see, under US law at the time, if that happened, it would be martial law in the US and under those conditions, the entire 911 plot could have been completely tidied up, all the evidence buried. We would not be able to have the 911 truth movement today. Anyone claiming that it was an inside job would be so far out on the extremes of conspiracy theory that they would never be taken seriously and certainly must less of the material available today would have been available to the truth movement.

Now we KNOW that this was planned (martial law) because on the 10th Nov 2001 it had been put in the MSM! There were articles published to the American people about how martial law could be enacted in the event of the US government (Washington DC) being attacked directly. So the US population was actually PRIMED for that.

Not only that, but the antrax attacks DID attack the US government, only it was too late then to declare martial law so Plan B didn't bail them out either. And worse, the antrax was traced by the FBI to US laboratories where on a few select personnel had access to it so it was undeniably and inside job. Which is why the headlines claiming that the anthrax was Iraqi played enough to imprint the mantra in the population's minds, then the entire anthrax hoax was made to quietly and quickly disappear.

So what went wrong?

The shooting down of 93 was a renegade action by a true American hero officer and the pilot that did the deed. The order to shoot down WAS NOT GIVEN. I.e. The inaction was there to guarantee the Whitehouse would be hit. Instead of the lies in the movie "United 93", the real hero of 911 was indeed associated with flight 93 coming down but it was not some fictious all American man in the street blued eyed boys. The real hero remains unknown. Anonymous. Denied. The real hero was the officer that saw the no-shoot as a NORAD botch and did his job and had that aircraft shot down.

The entire planet owes that man its thanks. I wonder if he even lived through the day? They may well have shot him on sight.

Now, I haven't researched this but I am willing to bet good money that if you go back in the news archives, you will find that NONE of the important people were in the Whitehouse on 911. You may even find Bush opponents WERE in the Whitehouse that day!

Not only that, but as Shayler points out, Jeb Bush jumped the gun. He declared martial law too soon in Florida. There was no reason for that declaration and it's one of those key facts that the 911 truth movement has missed. It's key fact for prosecuting as conspiracy to the murders, Jeb Bush as well as the usual suspects in the Administration. It's the smoking gun against Jeb Bush being an insider.

But the "failure" in NORAD and the other points of control, i.e. the things that were meant to allow 93 to hit the Whitehouse were undone by a quick-thinking officer who ordered the plane to be taken down. 93 was, to use Shayler's term, a key failure in the plot. A cockup that, to quote Shayler "they simply didn't expect or plan for this".

When you realise this truth, suddenly many of the loose ends click into place. Suddenly, so much makes sense. So many of the Bush "incompetancies" are shown to be not incompetance, but quickstepping out a contingency. The inept Zionist neoCon scrambling and bumbling of the invasion is suddenly very clearly a group of well-rehearsed, well-disciplined, well-planned people wrongfooted by the most unexpected of cockups.

Flight 93 is where 911 went wrong for them. And one of the reasons that the propaganda around that plane was in overdrive. United 93 the film, the stories of the heros, the only "black box that survived"... all these were disctractions. Very clever distractions. You see, by keeping the "was it shot down" debate going as an initial catch point for the sheep, backed up by the "how come the mobile phones worked?" as the catch-point for those not fooled by the first catch-point, no-one got thinking about the actual flight itself and the key role it played. No-one has been thinking about the possibility that it was a monumental cockup that the plotters simply hadn't accounted for. No-one has been thinking "what if it had reached its target, what would have happened?". And that's clever human manipulation for you. That's really clever brains thinking at high speed to bail out of a catastrophe.

But 93 went badly wrong for the plotters. Because it gave that little window of opportunity for the truth movement to see the faults in the story, see the holes in the evidence and start to question the official line. Martial law was meant to ensure that no questions could be asked, no evidence could survive and no-one would have the time to ask because of what was meant to immediately follow. The sequence of events would have been so swift that we would be focussed now on the fallout of the WMD use that was almost certainly in the plan. 911 would be a minor footnote that no-one would be interested in by now.

Had 93 reached "mission complete". Had martial law been declared, complete control over the media, release of information and the cleanup (getting rid of the evidence) would have happened and bingo! The entire 911 plot would have played out and the world right now would have been a completely different place. Iran, Syria, Iraq, North Korea, Afghanistan probably would have had nuclear weapons used against them to simply "solve the problem". With the US government "wiped out", no-one would have either held the Bush crowd accoutable nor have the ability to even if they tried.

Which explains another anomally about the plot: How the Zionist neoCons so totally screwed up the invasions without an exit strategy. The visible evidence being the mess that Iraq is in with the US having its butt kicked.

See, they never needed an exit strategy because they were never going to invade the way that they were forced to. That was NOT the plan. The plan was to use the overwhelming force of American super weapons in quick, lethal blows that the world would have had to stand by and accept because the US government itself would have been directly attacked, possibly with key opponents to the Bush WH wiped out as part of the deal. Who would stop the US? Indeed, who would even BLAME the US?

Their original plan was perfect. It was a good plan. I was a perfect plan.

There was no need to plant a passport. There was no need to explain 911. If you don't explain, then there are no holes in the story because there simply is no story. Your cover is perfect. No 911 commission, no NIST scrambling to prove the impossible, no questions about WTC7. Nothing to attack the Zionist neoCon agenda with because no accountability given because under martial law, the US government would be unassailable.

And that also explains those massive FEMA detention camps that GLP was so hyped up about many years ago. We were all mystified as to why they were being built. Now it's clear! Even under martial law there would have been those who didn't agree with the Zionist neoCons. Those detention camps would have been filled with these dissidents.

Sit back and think of all the odd behaviour that has puzzled us about the BushCo. How they seem to have wrongfooted themselves all the time. And think about how things would have been different if Flight 93 had hit its target. It all makes perfect sense.

Behind the scenes there must have been frantic redrawing of plans. Years and years of careful, step-by-step detail was trashed when that missile hit 93. And because of that, errors were made. And because of THAT, we have the truth movement and the very real chance to expose this hoax and nail the guilty parties.

Which could be why Bush bought into Paraguay.

Also, look at where Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Wolfowitz, Bremer and all the other PNAC players were on the day. Look at their actions. In the light of what was EXPECTED to happen, it all makes sense. Perfect, perfect sense.

This is a startling revelation by Shayler and an absolute lynchpin in understanding 911 and what has followed. It explains so much, ties up so many loose ends and just fits the picture so well, even down to the reactions of the people involved, that it really is the only credible missing piece.

And more still, it's clear that the recycling deal must have been planned months before for the steel shipments from the 911 demolition. All that executed perfectly. But rather than it being a secret kept "for security reasons" away from any public knowledge for decades to come, maybe even centuries, it's now in the open. And one more item to point at the guilty parties.

For me personally, it's the effectiveness of the psyops of Flight 93 that gets me. How the diversion has worked so extremely well, How the realisation of how 911 was actually a massive cockup simply hasn't featured anywhere up until now.

That makes me shake my head in admiration for the brains that pulled it together. Real professionals. Nasty, evil, but so very clever.

Originally posted at: [link to http://godlikeproductions.com]

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#1. To: richard9151 (#0)

Why didn't these brilliant conspirators make the buildings fall to one side to maximize the death and destruction?

{crickets chirping)

Why did the buildings fall from the top down? Explosives at the bottom always make buildings fall from the bottom up.

(crickets chirping)

"We become what we behold. We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." -- Marshall McLuhan, after Alexander Pope and William Blake.

YertleTurtle  posted on  2006-12-19   14:17:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: YertleTurtle (#1)

Why didn't these brilliant conspirators make the buildings fall to one side to maximize the death and destruction?

{crickets chirping)

See Larry "pull it" Silverstein, he of the six week, four billion dollar windfall profit, for the collapse details.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-12-19   14:25:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Jethro Tull, YertleTurtle, all (#2)

See Larry "pull it" Silverstein, he of the six week, four billion dollar windfall profit, for the collapse details.

Excellent answer, Jethro, and, let us not forget, those buildings were so far out of code and needed so much work and repair, plus, it was nearly impossible to put new technology, such as the internet connections, into the buildings. So, their collapse was such a windfall! In more ways than just a few! And, the property surrounding the towers was not in the shape. Now, Yertle, read the post again to learn what was planned!

The Solution is to apply, for the first time in the history of the United States, the Constitution to Washington, D.C.

richard9151  posted on  2006-12-19   15:59:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: richard9151 (#0)

The shooting down of 93 was a renegade action by a true American hero officer and the pilot that did the deed. The order to shoot down WAS NOT GIVEN. I.e. The inaction was there to guarantee the Whitehouse would be hit. Instead of the lies in the movie "United 93", the real hero of 911 was indeed associated with flight 93 coming down but it was not some fictious all American man in the street blued eyed boys. The real hero remains unknown. Anonymous. Denied. The real hero was the officer that saw the no-shoot as a NORAD botch and did his job and had that aircraft shot down.

The entire planet owes that man its thanks. I wonder if he even lived through the day? They may well have shot him on sight.

I thought the Happy Hooligans shot down Flight 93, for which they were given a Congressional award afterward. No?

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-12-20   12:57:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: richard9151 (#4)

what's this, I wonder? my computer is barely there, and I am not going to open it now for fear of totally freezing it.

House Document No. 107-285 Commemorative Joint Meeting of the ...CONGRESSIONAL MEDALS FOR CREW AND PASSENGERS OF FLIGHT 93 Hon. ... were pilots from Fargo, ND, members of the Air National Guard called the Happy Hooligans, ... www.gpoaccess.gov/serialset/ cdocuments/107-285/text/senate.html -

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-12-20   13:01:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: richard9151, Brian S, Christine, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, All (#0)

There's no viable evidence that Flight 93 crashed - or was shot down.

What's wrong in that picture??

What does the missing evidence tell anyone? (Nothing of the sort happened.)

Otherwise, a decent disinformation attempt.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-12-20   13:03:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: richard9151 (#5)

here's another:

[PDF] CONGRESSIONAL RECORD—SENATE S8498File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML in members of Flight 93 who lost their. lives to save countless others. I also feel pride at North Dakota’s. own, the Happy Hooligans, who min- ... www.uscg.mil/Legal/Homeland_legislation/ PDF/091102%20Remembrance%20of% 20091101.pdf -

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-12-20   13:06:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: SKYDRIFTER (#6)

no 6-mile trail of debris, either?

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-12-20   13:14:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt. all (#8)

Flight 93 Shootdown Pilot Identified

http://Infowars.com June 28, 2004

Col. Don de Grand-pre first broke the story of the Happy Hooligans and the shootdown of Flight 93 during his interview on The Alex Jones Show back in February.

Alex spoke with Col. De Grand-Pre today, who confirms the information in this article.

Lets Roll 911 | June 28 2004

LetsRoll has discovered the name of the pilot as well as all other pertinent information regarding this incident;

"At precisely 0938 hours, an alarm was sounded at Langley Air Force Base, and those whom were on call, drinking coffee, were scrambled. Thus the 119th Fighter Wing was off for an intercept.

They, the Happy Hooligans, a unit of 3 F-16 aircraft, were ordered to head toward Pennsylvania. At 0957 they spotted their target; After confirmation orders were received, A one Major Rick Gibney fired two sidewinder missiles at the aircraft and destroyed it in mid flight at precisely 0958;

He was awarded a medal from the Governor one year later for his heroic actions. As well as Decorated by Congress on 9/13/2001. The Happy Hooligans were previously stationed in North Dakota, and moved to Langley Air Force base some months before 911 occurred on a "Temporary assignment."

Major Rick Gibney did as he was ordered and did nothing criminal. He was merely following orders, of which he had no choice. Please do not harrass this man or bother him for doing what his CO & ultimately George Bush, ordered him to do. Major Rick Gibney has no reason to feel guilty nor regret following orders. The fault lies with his superiors, and a one, certain President George Bush who planned and engineered 911. Please do not heap any kind of abuse onto this man, a crack fighter pilot, one of the best in our nation, for doing what he was trained and ordered to do. He is a good man, honest and full of Integrity as well as unlimited discipline. He is a patriot, and was lied to and deceived.

He had no way to know that this plane wasn't a 'hostile.' Nor could he have. The fault lies with his superiors, and President George 'Dubya' Bush.

Flight 93 has now been forever solved by truth, and honest reporting and investigating, from http://letsroll911.org!

Major Rick Gibney, please do not read this as anything but the truth that the world deserves to know as true history. You played a part, but it was your superiors who deceived both you and everyone else regarding Flight 93. I didn't relish printing your name, as your innocent of any evil doing. yet it's history, and truth, and the world deserves to know.

And your safer now that this truth is out there, than if it was not.

But the world would appreciate an honest reply and statement from you on this issue, but only when your able and ready.

The source of this information Mr. Gibney was very careful to point out your high quality of character and lack of malice or malfeasance in these issues. Your integrity is no way harmed by these revelations, as you were ignorant of the total picture of what was happening that day, and following orders as you were trained to do in an emergency.

I apologize for having to print your name, but felt it necessary for both the truth to come forward, and your own safety.

Major Rick Gibney..."Lets Roll"

Somewhere in Texas...
a village is missing its idiot.

Lod  posted on  2006-12-20   13:20:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: SKYDRIFTER (#6)

I heard the tail end of a blurb about the Happy Hooligans, recently, I thought, but I do lose track of time. I thought they said something about them being transferred to another outfit....but maybe they were talking about this?

Delegation Announces New Planes to be Delivered to Happy Hooligans... Air Force has signed off on the transfer of 8 C-21 aircraft to Hector Field. ... Early next year, the Happy Hooligans will begin piloting UAV missions ... conrad.senate.gov/~conrad/ releases/06/12/2006C04A36.html

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-12-20   13:25:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: lodwick (#9)

thanks, lodwick. yup, that's the one I read sometime back, maybe a couple of years ago, but at a different site. i posted it at FR, but I think it [and maybe the whole thread] was disappeared.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-12-20   13:29:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#11)

Guessing that it's self-life on fr was measured in milli-seconds...

Somewhere in Texas...
a village is missing its idiot.

Lod  posted on  2006-12-20   13:32:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: richard9151 (#0)

They, the Happy Hooligans, a unit of 3 F-16 aircraft, were ordered to head toward Pennsylvania. At 0957 they spotted their target; After confirmation orders were received, A one Major Rick Gibney fired two sidewinder missiles at the aircraft and destroyed it in mid flight at precisely 0958;

He was awarded a medal from the Governor one year later for his heroic actions. As well as Decorated by Congress on 9/13/2001. The Happy Hooligans were previously stationed in North Dakota, and moved to Langley Air Force base some months before 911 occurred on a "Temporary assignment."

yup, I remembered that too....they were sitting around waiting for the order 'to roll', i guess. what's the truth...what's the truth.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-12-20   13:33:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: lodwick (#12)

something like that...I was just now wondering if that was the one that got me, and wondered at the time I posted if it would....but I don't think it was....don't remember at the moment what it was that got me banned.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-12-20   13:36:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#11)

Plane crashes do not yield debris fields of six to eight miles - I've read/heard both estimated distances.

Somewhere in Texas...
a village is missing its idiot.

Lod  posted on  2006-12-20   13:37:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: lodwick (#15)

I've heard both estimates as well...I guess I don't understand what SKYDRIFTER is saying. If there WERE a several mile long debris trail, it would have to have to have been shot down. He's not saying there was not a Flight 93, is he? 'Course, I've read there was no flight 77, so who knows?

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-12-20   13:46:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#14)

...don't remember at the moment what it was that got me banned.

I think that it was the open-border situation that got me booted - but I really don't remember either - it could have been any number of topics.

Somewhere in Texas...
a village is missing its idiot.

Lod  posted on  2006-12-20   13:55:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, SKYDRIFTER, all (#16)

If there WERE a several mile long debris trail, it would have to have to have been shot down. He's not saying there was not a Flight 93, is he? 'Course, I've read there was no flight 77, so who knows?

I'm not clear on Sky's belief re: #93 - and I've also heard the "no 77" existed story also.

Somewhere in Texas...
a village is missing its idiot.

Lod  posted on  2006-12-20   13:58:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: lodwick (#17)

it could have been any number of topics.

so true. 'Free' Republic....what a joke. Like they hate us for our freedom.

freedom...there's a word....one of those on that NSA list that will bring the freedom-hating goons in the government down on your conversation.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-12-20   13:59:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: YertleTurtle, Richard9151 (#1)

Why did the buildings fall from the top down? Explosives at the bottom always make buildings fall from the bottom up.

Controlled demolition has been taken to a science. Charges are planted all the way from top to bottom. The timing sequence could be manipulated to create the collapses we witnessed from towers 1 and 2. 7 DID have the "appearance" we so often see in "known" controlled demolitions. But without a controlled demolition, it would have been virtually impossible to put 2 million tons of rubble into it's own basement. The debris heap would have gotten so tall as to have stopped the collapse before reaching ground level, yet in the collapse of the towers the destruction went all the way and included even the columns in the lower basement - a physical impossibility with a "normal collapse". (If you haven't done so, this may be a good time to go to Google video and watch 911 Mysteries)

I used to work as a boiler tube welder. I was once part of a crew that rebuilt a recovery boiler in a paper mill that had exploded. Recovery boilers are so named because they "recover" the acid mixture used to cook the rosin from the wood chips (to break the chips into their base fibers), and burn it in the boiler. This mixture which is burned has characteristics identical to grease/oil in that if it is on fire water added to the flame does not douse it, but only worsens it. Recovery boilers are some of the most "critical" boilers in existence because of the potential for disaster. A boiler is merely a firebox made of tubes carrying water... In the event of an explosion, (in a recovery boiler) any tubes ripped open will spill water onto a grease fire (as opposed to say a "coal burner" where the water would actually have a tendency to "douse" the fire...
In the boiler rebuild I am speaking of, there was MASSIVE destruction - buckstays were torn apart, steel mangled, some concrete shattered; YET the boilerhouse itself DID NOT COLLAPSE!!! All floors were intact, even the majority of the outer skin of the building itself was intact. In a boilerhouse, the boiler itself occupies the center of the building, comprising approximately 60% of the total of the building... In the example I'm talking about, the boiler was approximately 175' feet from the tubes in the "ceiling" to the tubes in the "floor", and occupied a "square" of approximately 80' on each side - one hell of a big "bomb"!!!! If this huge "bomb" couldn't cause the collapse of the building it was occupying, THERE IS NO WAY ON EARTH the towers could have collapsed from the impact of a single jet (per tower), and the resultant fires after those impacts....

Sad really.... Amerikans have been "dumbed down" in the institutions we call public schools, and have lost all recognition of "common sense", and the ability to use logic... And we wonder why this country is in the shape it's in...

No matter how noble the objectives of a government; if it blurs decency and kindness, cheapens human life, and breeds ill will and suspicion - it is an EVIL government. Eric Hoffer

innieway  posted on  2006-12-20   14:03:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#8)

The debris trail is all light-weight stuff - nothing to rationally suggest a shoot-down. My conviction is that the debris came from the ass-end of a C-130.

A shoot-down would have had a broad pattern of flaming debris & one hell of a black cloud at altitude. Instead, we see an ordnance explosion from the purported crash site.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-12-20   14:04:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: All (#18)

Interesting Flight 77 site -

http://www.le-pavillon.com/11/complot/flight.html

Somewhere in Texas...
a village is missing its idiot.

Lod  posted on  2006-12-20   14:05:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: SKYDRIFTER. all (#21)

Enough Flight 93 information to choke a horse here -

http://piratenews.org/flight93.html

Somewhere in Texas...
a village is missing its idiot.

Lod  posted on  2006-12-20   14:09:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, lodwick, Christine, Brian S, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, All (#19)

You didn't know???

SEE -

http://home.comcast.net/~skyd rifter/exp.htm


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-12-20   14:09:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: lodwick (#23)

Disinformation aside, there's no viable physical evidence to support a shoot- down. There's the problem.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-12-20   14:12:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: YertleTurtle (#1)

The only crickets are in your head. You are all alone with your government theory on this topic here at 4UM.

Instead of your one post drive by, why don't you keep posting and engage. Show 4UM all your great knowledge of 911.

4UM beat a couple posters here senseless, and there's plenty more if you need a good beating.

Mark

"I was real close to Building 7 when it fell down... That didn't sound like just a building falling down to me while I was running away from it. There's a lot of eyewitness testimony down there of hearing explosions. [..] and the whole time you're hearing "boom, boom, boom, boom, boom." I think I know an explosion when I hear it... — Former NYC Police Officer and 9/11 Rescue Worker Craig Bartmer

Kamala  posted on  2006-12-20   17:41:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: SKYDRIFTER (#24)

dang, I've got so much stress happening on my end, and I only had a brief look at your site. I have to do something right now, but just a couple of quick things.

Under "The Witnesses"

To agree, I spoke with a cab driver who said he was on the highway about 3 blocks [I think that is what he said] from the Pentagon, and he did not see any plane. He does not believe the govt story, and apparently he knows a lot of people who feel the same way.

Secondly, I HEARD "it", whatever "it" was. I was SOUTH of the Pentagon, and it sounded like it was going right over me, low, fast, loud, and kind of whistling. My thought was it sounded like a missile, but I have never been in a war zone, so my frame of reference might not be that great. However, for about a month afterward, I would catch myself saying "when the Pentagon was bombed". I can't figure out why it sounded to me like it hit to the west of the Pentagon....maybe the sound can be deceiving. Maybe it didn't really go over me, but just sounded like it did. But there was definitely a sound. Someone who was with me at the time said they heard TWO explosions. I immediately got on the phone so maybe that was why I missed the possible second explosion. It was loud - I was about a mile away - and it rattled the windows, shook the house, and blew the door open. I kick myself that I did not go up to the lookout across from the Pentagon until a few days later. I was expecting some 'event', having been forewarned by Lyndon LaRouche, and like the article was intimating, I was just waiting for the tanks in the streets at any moment.

Have you ever contemplated this angle:

"Missile & remote control systems added to small jets before 9-11; same parts found at Pentagon

Two civilian defense contractor employees--told to remain silent--say other workers quietly retro-fitted missile and remote control systems onto A-3 jets at Colorado public airport prior to September 11 when similar A-3 parts much smaller than a Boeing 757 were found at Pentagon

Presidential candidate says scores of retired and active military and intelligence officials would testify before current grand jury probing government involvement in 9/11 attacks

by Tom Flocco

Fort Collins, Colorado -- May 26, 2005 -- http://TomFlocco.com -- According to two civilian defense contractor employees working at commercial corporate facilities at Fort Collins-Loveland Municipal Airport (left), in the months before the September 11 attacks U.S. Air Force defense contractors brought in A-3 Sky Warrior aircraft under cover of darkness to be completely refitted and modified at the small civilian airport in Colorado.

The revelations are important evidence for a reportedly ongoing secret 9/11 probe because widely available Federal Emergency Management Administration (FEMA) photographs taken during the attacks clearly show that the few aircraft parts found at the Pentagon belonged to a small jet very similar to a modified A-3 Sky Warrior--not the American Airlines Boeing 757.........

"The two witnesses say that separate military contractor teams--working independently at different times--refitted Douglas A-3 Sky Warriors (above) with updated missiles, Raytheon's Global Hawk unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) remote control systems, fire control systems, engines, transponders, and radio-radar-navigation systems--a total makeover, seemingly for an operation more important than use as a simple missile testing platform for defense contractor Hughes-Raytheon...."

"...Air-traffic controllers from the Washington, DC sector originally said the incoming plane was a military jet according to reports; but no grand jury has called them to testify and they have been strangely gagged from speaking out.

One air traffic controller from another Northeast sector revealed to a 9-11 widow that FBI threats were made of both a personal and career nature: "You are ordered never to speak about what you saw on your screen during the attacks; and if you do, things will not go well for you and your family."..."

I haven't read the article in a while, and I have some things to do, but if the transponders were switched, and radar showed the plane was MILITARY, and with the confusion of the "drills" being run that day, that might explain why Flight 77 was not shot down.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-12-20   18:14:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: SKYDRIFTER (#27)

LINK:

http://www.tomflocco.com/fs /WitnessesLink.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-12-20   18:17:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#28)

I saw this before, good stuff.

What really happened: 911 Fact file

http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,451741,00.html

"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2006-12-20   18:44:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#29)

That link is full of BS.

Mark

"I was real close to Building 7 when it fell down... That didn't sound like just a building falling down to me while I was running away from it. There's a lot of eyewitness testimony down there of hearing explosions. [..] and the whole time you're hearing "boom, boom, boom, boom, boom." I think I know an explosion when I hear it... — Former NYC Police Officer and 9/11 Rescue Worker Craig Bartmer

Kamala  posted on  2006-12-20   18:51:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Kamala (#30)

which link?

We all know 7 was a controlled demolition.

If you can find it mentioned in the 911 Report I'll give $100

"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2006-12-20   18:55:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#31)

http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,451741,00.html

This one.

Mark

"I was real close to Building 7 when it fell down... That didn't sound like just a building falling down to me while I was running away from it. There's a lot of eyewitness testimony down there of hearing explosions. [..] and the whole time you're hearing "boom, boom, boom, boom, boom." I think I know an explosion when I hear it... — Former NYC Police Officer and 9/11 Rescue Worker Craig Bartmer

Kamala  posted on  2006-12-20   19:04:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#27)

Secondly, I HEARD "it", whatever "it" was. I was SOUTH of the Pentagon, and it sounded like it was going right over me, low, fast, loud, and kind of whistling. My thought was it sounded like a missile, but I have never been in a war zone, so my frame of reference might not be that great. However, for about a month afterward, I would catch myself saying "when the Pentagon was bombed". I can't figure out why it sounded to me like it hit to the west of the Pentagon....maybe the sound can be deceiving. Maybe it didn't really go over me, but just sounded like it did. But there was definitely a sound. Someone who was with me at the time said they heard TWO explosions. I immediately got on the phone so maybe that was why I missed the possible second explosion. It was loud - I was about a mile away - and it rattled the windows, shook the house, and blew the door open.

interesting to read your personal experience.

christine  posted on  2006-12-20   19:09:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Kamala (#32)

Firemen: "boom-boom-boom-boom" at WTC

"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2006-12-20   19:11:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#34)

I don't understand what you are getting at. Have you read that link you posted?

Mark

"I was real close to Building 7 when it fell down... That didn't sound like just a building falling down to me while I was running away from it. There's a lot of eyewitness testimony down there of hearing explosions. [..] and the whole time you're hearing "boom, boom, boom, boom, boom." I think I know an explosion when I hear it... — Former NYC Police Officer and 9/11 Rescue Worker Craig Bartmer

Kamala  posted on  2006-12-20   19:13:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Kamala (#35)

that link was just more evidence/questions.

Bld 7 was NOT mentioned in the 911 Report. That would have led to more questions about WTC Blds.

"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2006-12-20   19:15:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#36)

OK. Now I understand. There was some really misleading info in the articles responses. The replies about NIST/FEMA were really flat out lies.

Mark

"I was real close to Building 7 when it fell down... That didn't sound like just a building falling down to me while I was running away from it. There's a lot of eyewitness testimony down there of hearing explosions. [..] and the whole time you're hearing "boom, boom, boom, boom, boom." I think I know an explosion when I hear it... — Former NYC Police Officer and 9/11 Rescue Worker Craig Bartmer

Kamala  posted on  2006-12-20   19:21:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Kamala (#37)

Are Attacks On 9/11 Researchers Growing??? -
www.rense.com

Part II -
www.rawstory.com

Part III
http://www.rense.com/general73/ZZIBN.HTM

"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2006-12-20   19:40:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: christine (#33)

I was thinking about it again this morning, and while sound can be deceiving, I suppose, it really did sound like it was directly overhead. This will tick of SKYDRIFTER, and that is not my intent, but I know 9/11 was a Judeo-Masonic/etc. plot, with heavy religious overtones. It might be considered the opening salvo in the last battle that began in Gen. 3:15. Just think of all the demonic faces that appeared in the Towering Inferno [Rev. 20:7?]. Anyway, one day I happened across the article THE DISTRICT OF CYDONIA, and it got me to thinking about that Satanic Masonic Temple [dedicated to George Washington] in Alexandria, just south of here. I'm not the only one who thinks it's satanic. I have read one author who alluded to some of the things that go on in there, but he did not elaborate, and I can only imagine. The fact that there is what appears to be an incinerator on the grounds, when we have excellent trash service here, only feeds my apprehension. My sister was staying in Alexandria with some business accociates, and before I said anything to her, she started relaying to me the bad vibes these people were getting from that place. Anyway, I have read that the temple sits on the highest ground in Alexandria, and that the land it sits on was [is?] called Shooter's Hill. That got me thinking, and I got out a map of the area, and if I had to give a direction for whatever it was I heard, I think it would be safe to say if you drew a straight line from the temple to the Pentagon, that would be the direction whatever I heard was travelling. Yet it actually sounded like it hit a bit west of the Pentagon. Like I said, I can't figure it out. I think it was probably 5 seconds or less from the time that I first heard it, until it hit, but then again, time stands still, they say, in moments like that. It really bothers me, knowing something was coming, HEARING it, seeing the smoke and smelling the funes, knowing people were dead and dying a short distance away, and knowing the govt was behind it, but not knowing exactly what happened to this day. I keep hoping I'll come here one day, and someone will have it all figured out. I've spent time at many of the 911 sites, but they often freeze my computer, and it just gets too frustrating, not to mention, I half expect the local gestapo to come and break the door down!

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-12-21   10:22:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#29)

Thank you...I'll try to take a look. Please see my previous post.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-12-21   10:27:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Itisa1mosttoolate, *9-11* (#38)

ping to Itisa1mosttoolate's post with links.

You can always tell when you're getting close to the truth.

"The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer."
---Henry Kissinger, New York Times, October 28, 1973

robin  posted on  2006-12-21   11:18:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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