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Title: Pop Goes the Bubble (housing market)
Source: Lew Rockwell
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Published: Aug 30, 2006
Author: Bill Bonner
Post Date: 2006-08-30 10:30:09 by bluedogtxn
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Comments: 137

by Bill Bonner

"What's that Hissing Sound?" headlines a piece in the Economist:

"The boom has lifted the (U.S.) economy in three ways: it has boosted residential construction: it has made people feel wealthier and so encouraged them to spend more; and it has allowed homeowners to use their property as a gigantic cash machine, taking out money by borrowing against their capital gains. Merrill Lynch estimates that the three together accounted for more than half of America's total GDP growth since last year.

"Counting construction, finance, and estate agency, the housing boom has been responsible for one-third of all the jobs created since 2001. If house-price rises level off, GDP growth could dip below 2% in 2007. If prices fall, expect a steeper slowdown." Since it is now in the Economist, it's official – housing is in trouble. But will prices actually go down?

We have a report directly from one of the hottest markets in the country, south Florida:

"We just missed it. The time to sell was a year ago. A guy came along and offered us $500,000 for that place we bought. We paid $450,000 for it two years ago. Our timing couldn't have been worse. We expected to tear down the house and build a new one...and we were sure we'd make a couple hundred thousand in profit. Minimum. But you warned us. And we didn't listen. And then, we got that offer for $500,000 and turned it down. We thought we could get much more. But that was then and this is now...I'd be happy to get back what we have in it. But we can't even get anyone to look at it."

Paul Kasriel says it's the worst supply/demand equation of residential real estate in 34 years. Sales in July were down more than a fifth. Inventories were up more than a fifth. And a lot of real estate investors are now going to the liquor store to get another fifth. They wish they could turn the clock back a few months and unload properties at last year's prices.

But maybe the situation is not as bad as it looks. The New York Times reported the news last week that real estate downturns in England and Australia have been surprisingly mild. And now, Business Week has a big story entitled "Housing: The Roof Won't Collapse On The U.S. Economy."

According to Business Week, housing can go a little soft without damaging the economy too severely. That view has become the mainstream dream. What do we know; maybe it will turn out to be true. As our friend John Mauldin points out, we usually muddle through. Usually, tomorrow is like today. Usually, nothing too bad or too good...happens. Usually, things are average, ordinary, common, and regular.

But wait, there is nothing ordinary about this housing bubble. In the space of less than 10 years, according to Robert Shiller's index, the real value of residential property doubled. And householders doubled up their debt, too. Neither are things that happen every day; in fact, they've never happened before!

We are not looking into a crystal ball here. We are just putting two and two together. If things are usually usual, then when they are unusually unusual, they are probably more likely to become usual again, rather than become more unusually unusual. That seems so obvious to us, we won't bother to explain it.

And when housing prices become usual, then the poor sap who has bet his house on something extraordinary is likely to be in a tight spot. And since the entire U.S. economy, and by extension the entire world economy, depends on him being able to continue to spend, then they're all in a tight spot.

Yes, the whole world economy now depends on a man who spends money he doesn't have – money of no sure value – on what he surely can't afford, and which he probably doesn't need anyway. He can only do so as long as his house rises in price. And now, that the rise in housing prices has come to an end. What next?

Everyone has come to expect slowing real estate gains. The boom is over; everyone seems to think so. So, where is the surprise? Where's the money to be made...or lost?

Again, we don't know. But in August 1982, Business Week famously predicted that the equity market was finished. Now, in August 2006, BW tells us not to worry: the roof will not collapse. BW might not be right, but it might be consistent; the roof might blow up.

August 30, 2006

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#3. To: bluedogtxn (#0)

We have a report directly from one of the hottest markets in the country, south Florida:

"We just missed it. The time to sell was a year ago. A guy came along and offered us $500,000 for that place we bought. We paid $450,000 for it two years ago. Our timing couldn't have been worse. We expected to tear down the house and build a new one...and we were sure we'd make a couple hundred thousand in profit. Minimum. But you warned us. And we didn't listen. And then, we got that offer for $500,000 and turned it down. We thought we could get much more. But that was then and this is now...I'd be happy to get back what we have in it. But we can't even get anyone to look at it."

NJ is in the tank. I told my daughter last year, over and over, to bail and she refused. Now she's stuck (making six figures, btw) in a state that is taxing her out of house and home. It's painful when your own family ignores what we see coming.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-08-30   12:39:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Jethro Tull (#3)

It's painful when your own family ignores what we see coming.

JT, your successful ability to foresee the future back in 1999 ( Y2K phenomena ) probably made her cringe upon your latest prognostications. You struck out, pal.

buckeroo  posted on  2006-08-30   13:00:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: buckeroo (#4)

Stewball...the prudent thing to do concerning Y2K was to prepare. I did, and I remain prepared today. You, OTOH, continue to argue with Zionist swine on a forum owned by a Jewish religious zealot. No Bucky...It isn't me who is wasting his time :)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-08-30   18:34:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Jethro Tull (#6)

You, OTOH, continue to argue with Zionist swine on a forum owned by a Jewish religious zealot. No Bucky...It isn't me who is wasting his time :)

I have thought about your remark. And I have come to the conclusion you are the essence of the swine that you suggest. You are bigoted; moreover you seem to wear this continuous aurora about Jews being some sort of evil on a majority of posts you make.

How do you come out upon a public forum with a single celled brain posing this agenda? Aren't you embarrassed? You are the type of jerk that if the Jews weren't here; your complaint would be about nigs or spics or japs or gay cavalieros. Your focus is about anyone different than yourself. Even if everyone one was an old white man, retired NYC cop, you would still find some attribute about those around you that could be considered inferior ... say, methods of expression which may be unlike your happy, go-lucky down-syndrome goony smile.

Yeah, you like to herd alright. And when you find you aren't the best thing since sliced bread in your life, its someone else that is the problem.

buckeroo  posted on  2006-08-30   19:29:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: buckeroo (#10)

You are bigoted

Here we agree, I am bigoted and I do hate. I’m bigoted toward the Zionist pigs you hold dear on LP. Your continued support of Goldi (you respect her) and her forum is beneath contempt. Without the support of her coven of harpies, the plans for Iraq would never have left the safety of the PNAC think tank. To quote a man I detest, Newt Gingrich, her forum should be allowed to whither on the vine, but rather than avoid the place asshats like yourself continue to breath life into the enemy. Congratulations.

Government, at all levels, is something else I’m bigoted toward. In fact I hate it. Nothing short of a complete collapse will satisfy me. No thanks trying to salvage this mess with a vote (you still vote, right?) pipe dreams like voting the bums out is impossible. Too many bums, not enough time, but continue on. It's a harmless enough exercise.

Have I told you about the 3rd world scum that I see all about me here in NJ? Yep, they cause my bigotry meter to rise. These two legged pigs have broken into my country, refuse to learn my language and have for all intents and purposes erased our Southern border. IMHO, hate, anger and bigotry are the proper emotions for such a national disgrace. There isn’t a need to go into the services these wetbacks chew into; you know the drill. I Understand you stood on the border with an aging group of white men called the minutemen. Let me give you a tip Bucky, save your time, it’s over. Aging fucks in lawn chairs are no match for the La Reconquista we face. Why is it over? Because feckless whites shy away from bigotry and hate. These emotions are the proper reaction to what is pulling our country down, but alas, I’m one man. You of even temper have won. Now run along. Goldi, Badeye and the clique of time wasters are calling.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-08-30   20:07:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Jethro Tull (#11)

Here we agree, I am bigoted and I do hate.

I can spot you in a crowd of thousands walking down 42nd Street in NYC on a cold and snowy day. Its not so much the clothes you wear or the way you hold yourself ... its the way you slip upon the cement while attempting to stay in stride with the herd.

I’m bigoted toward the Zionist pigs you hold dear on LP. Your continued support of Goldi (you respect her) and her forum is beneath contempt.

I do respect Goldi. She has taken a lot of crap from bigots, like you and and many others for no reason. I hate to say this, but to use a classical cliche, she has balls making that forum. I am on record about my disagreements with her, too. All of my complaints have been on that public channel, too. Check them out if you have time while eallowing in your own misery.

I don't run around the world and make other forums my issues. I keep my opinions in perspective with regard to the subject matter; the thread as it were. And I refuse to berate Goldi here or anywhere; just as I don't berate Jim Robinson here or anywhere; or unamused here or anywhere; or John Deere here or anywhere or Christine here or anywhere.

Without the support of her coven of harpies, the plans for Iraq would never have left the safety of the PNAC think tank.

I don't think you are even close on this. You need to expand and clarify your perspective ... its to vague for me to discuss.

To quote a man I detest, Newt Gingrich, her forum should be allowed to whither on the vine, but rather than avoid the place asshats like yourself continue to breath life into the enemy. Congratulations.

Let me explain my reasons for posting on LP. I enjoy a wide variety of comments. Nothing more or less. I am awkward slapping people on the back that I agree with. I enjoy this forum ( 4um ), too. But many of the posts I agree with and so don't attempt to much but to suggest an added perspective for the most part.

Government, at all levels, is something else I’m bigoted toward. In fact I hate it. Nothing short of a complete collapse will satisfy me.

Well, don't that beat all! We agree.

No thanks trying to salvage this mess with a vote (you still vote, right?) pipe dreams like voting the bums out is impossible. Too many bums, not enough time, but continue on. It's a harmless enough exercise.

I think it perpetuates the system because there are no REAL requirements for voting.

Have I told you about the 3rd world scum that I see all about me here in NJ? Yep, they cause my bigotry meter to rise. These two legged pigs have broken into my country, refuse to learn my language and have for all intents and purposes erased our Southern border. IMHO, hate, anger and bigotry are the proper emotions for such a national disgrace. There isn’t a need to go into the services these wetbacks chew into; you know the drill. I Understand you stood on the border with an aging group of white men called the minutemen. Let me give you a tip Bucky, save your time, it’s over. Aging fucks in lawn chairs are no match for the La Reconquista we face. Why is it over? Because feckless whites shy away from bigotry and hate.

Its the government, stupid. The government is not performing the job it is required by the US Constitution. It is not a religion, sect, class or race of people.

These emotions are the proper reaction to what is pulling our country down, but alas, I’m one man. You of even temper have won.

Well, of course I win. I don't run off the mouth like a whore in heat as you do.

Now run along. Goldi, Badeye and the clique of time wasters are calling.

Naw. I think I shall stick around awhile longer. 4UM is getting bigger and better ... more threads and "hits" are here than ever before.

buckeroo  posted on  2006-08-30   20:56:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: buckeroo (#14)

Let me explain my reasons for posting on LP. I enjoy a wide variety of comments. Nothing more or less. I am awkward slapping people on the back that I agree with. I enjoy this forum ( 4um ), too. But many of the posts I agree with and so don't attempt to much but to suggest an added perspective for the most part.

Buck, I know this was kind of a two sided conversation, and forgive me for "C"ing my way into it.

I have a problem with LP, and it's not their viewpoint. I watched Ferret get banned and Honway get banned and aristeides get banned. Not for profanity or ad-hominem attacks, but for posting a particular point of view that was verboten. I had one of my posts that supported the verboten point of view pulled, too, without any explanation. Unlike some on this site, I don't hate Jews or think there is a "Jewish conspiracy" to take over the world.

On the other hand, when one point of view is deliberately suppressed and posters banned over it, (1) the site is not a fair representation of the views of its members; and (2) it deceptively presents an unbalanced picture of the opinions of its posters. Aside from that, it is an unhealthy environment for debate when one side has to debate with a hand tied behind its back.

I only recently discovered this site as an alternative, and I like the free speech philosophy. No ad hominem attacks (they were getting way too frequent over there), and polite discourse, but no forbidden viewpoints and all welcome.

Plus, FR2 over there was getting overrun with former freepers, and they tended to be some rude and mindless sumbitches. So, with that said, I agree with JT to the extent that I think you continuing to post over there only breathes a semblance of life and legitimacy into a dead zone.

C'mon over here and stay. It'll be better for you and us, too.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2006-08-31   9:28:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: bluedogtxn (#59)

Unlike some on this site, I don't hate Jews or think there is a "Jewish conspiracy" to take over the world.

I don't know anyone on this site who hates Jews.

Most posters here would like to discuss Israel's and in particular the Zionists' intentions, in an open way.

Because of MSM's lopsided broadcasts on anything remotely connected to Israel and/or Jewish organizations, what you see is an attempt to counter-balance that skewed viewpoint.

Most posters here believe American interests should be considered first, and see ZioNazis running our foreign policy in deference to Israeli interests. And they are not even doing a good job of it for Israel or US.

That many foreign govts may also have a disproportionate number of Zionists should be examined, if it is true.

If this were any other nation, we would have no problems discussing that nation's agenda, policies, people or religion.

robin  posted on  2006-08-31   11:34:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: robin (#66)

Most posters here believe American interests should be considered first, and see ZioNazis running our foreign policy in deference to Israeli interests. And they are not even doing a good job of it for Israel or US.

That's dead on truth, there. But there seems to be a tendence among some to "see a jew behind every bush"...

Israel is doing what any smaller, dependent parasite nation would do to its host. It digs in deeper and sucks as much blood as it can, because it never knows when it'll be plucked out and discarded.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2006-08-31   11:42:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: bluedogtxn (#67)

We don't know what Israel and the ZioNazis are up to, completely. But that is what we are trying to determine here, since no MSM investigative journalist will.

Carl Cameron had an Israeli spy special that never aired anywhere but on the internet. Have you seen it?

robin  posted on  2006-08-31   11:44:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: robin (#68)

Carl Cameron had an Israeli spy special that never aired anywhere but on the internet. Have you seen it?

Nope. I'd like to, though.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2006-08-31   11:46:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: bluedogtxn (#69)

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/spyring.html

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/israeli_spyring_fox.html

robin  posted on  2006-08-31   12:04:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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