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Title: Here’s how candidates for governor reacted to the arrest in ‘stand your ground’ shooting
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URL Source: http://www.tampabay.com/florida-pol ... in-stand-your-ground-shooting/
Published: Aug 13, 2018
Author: Emily L. Mahoney
Post Date: 2018-08-13 17:53:56 by BTP Holdings
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Here’s how candidates for governor reacted to the arrest in ‘stand your ground’ shooting

The Clearwater shooting has become highly politicized.

LUIS SANTANA | Times Family and friends of Markeis McGlockton, the 28 year old man that was shot and killed during a parking lot altercation in front of his children gathered in front of the location where he was shot. The shooter was not arrested because authorities said it fell within the criteria of Florida's "stand your ground" self-defense law. Protesters gathered to voice their concerns and seek an arrest in the case. [Sunday July 22, 2018] [Photo Luis Santana | Times]

By Emily L. Mahoney 3 hours ago

The shooter in Florida's latest, high-profile "stand your ground" shooting was arrested on Monday and charged with manslaughter, sparking immediate reaction from those running to be Florida's next governor.

Michael Drejka, 48, was booked into the Pinellas County Jail, where he will be held in lieu of $100,000 bail, according to the Pinellas County Sheriff's Office. Drejka was not immediately arrested after he shot 28-year-old Markeis McGlockton on July 19 because of the controversial self-defense law, called "Stand Your Ground," that eliminated one's duty to retreat before resorting to force.

The case has drawn the national spotlight and renewed debate over racial injustice and the controversial law. Drejka, the shooter, is white and McGlockton was black.

The two Republican candidates for governor, Ron DeSantis and Adam Putnam, got into a nasty disagreement over the case that started on Twitter and then spilled into last week's debate in Jacksonville. DeSantis said that Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri had not "analyzed the law properly" in his decision to apply the "Stand Your Ground" law in this case, and Putnam accused him of improperly criticizing law enforcement and "siding" with Democrats.

Democrats universally celebrated the arrest and some renewed calls for a repeal of "Stand Your Ground." National civil rights leader Rev. Al Sharpton, who visited Clearwater after the shooting, said in a statement on Monday that the arrest is a "ray of hope," while the state law is "an abomination" that allows "vigilante justice that consistently provides cover to racists and bigots for murdering innocent Black Americans."

Here are the candidates' reactions, all provided via statements, unless otherwise noted:

Republicans:

Adam Putnam: "I support the State Attorney's decision. The process worked."

Ron DeSantis: His campaign has not yet responded to a request for comment. This post will be updated if a statement is received. Democrats:

Andrew Gillum: "I'm relieved Markeis McGlockton's family and the people of Clearwater will be heard in this horrific tragedy. … However, Stand Your Ground still created the environment where the shooter believed he had a legal right to murder Markeis McGlockton. I again call on Governor Rick Scott to declare a state of emergency and suspend this law before someone else gets hurt or killed."

Gwen Graham: "Today's decision to charge Michael Drejka is a step toward justice for Markeis McGlockton — but it also exposes the fatal issues with Florida's Stand Your Ground law. … As Governor, I will lead an effort to repeal the law and examine legislation that protects those who are legitimately defending themselves, without creating a legal loophole for criminal behavior. I will also create a task force of prosecutors, community and civil rights leaders to take a look at every self-defense case where a death occurs to ensure that the law isn't allowing criminals to slip through the cracks."

Jeff Greene: "Today's (delayed) decision to arrest and charge Michael Drejka means justice may finally be served in the senseless killing of Markeis McGlockton. I am proud that our voices and calls to action made a difference here – but the fact remains that an innocent, unarmed father was shot to death in front of his children in the middle of the afternoon. Stand Your Ground is legalized murder. It must be repealed."

Chris King: "The state attorney's office is doing what Sheriff Gualtieri has failed to do thus far –– seeking justice for the death of Markeis McGlockton. This community is crying out for action and the McGlockton family deserves justice, and that's why I've been calling for leaders to act since this tragedy occurred. Today's decision is another example why Florida's broken 'stand your ground' law must be repealed so that justice in this case and every other tragedy can never be delayed or denied."

Philip Levine, who spoke to a Times reporter at an event in Tampa: "(The arrest is) a first step in the right direction. I'm surprised it took that long. I think the Sheriff was wrong in not arresting him immediately on the scene because clearly there was probable cause. I'm not a lawyer, but based on what I saw, he should've been arrested there instantly."


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From what I can tell from this incident, it seems the black man, Marquis McGlockton, was not armed. When he noticed the argument taking place he pushed the other man to the ground. Since McGlockton was not armed, Michael Drejka made a serious error to shoot and kill him. He clearly used excessive force in this case.

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#1. To: BTP Holdings (#0)

He needed smokin'. Moral of the story is, keep your hands to yourself.

Obnoxicated  posted on  2018-08-13   18:07:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: BTP Holdings (#0)

I looked at the video again today. There's no question whatsoever that McGlockton (the black guy who was killed) assaulted Drejka and quite strongly at that by manhandling him down to the pavement. However, at the moment Drejka fired, McGlockton had already retreated and was in fact continuing to do so.

I don't know if even a cop could wiggle out of this one. I think Drejka used excessive force when he pulled the trigger. Had he fired sooner before McGlockton retreated, he might have been excused. But as far as the law goes, given the security vid, I think the odds are stacked against him in court.

If the Sheriff had recommended charges, this certainly would not have been such a politicized issue that puts the "Stand Your Ground" doctrine itself on trial. What's really needed in court is a comparison between a cop shooting someone in this type situation and a citizen doing it. Cops always get more leeway, and unconstitutionally so.

Pinguinite  posted on  2018-08-13   19:02:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Pinguinite (#2)

Seldom a smart thing to shoot when someone's retreating.

Stand your ground is a good law, it should not be brought into this case.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2018-08-13   19:18:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: BTP Holdings (#0)

From what I can tell from this incident, it seems the black man, Marquis McGlockton, was not armed. When he noticed the argument taking place he pushed the other man to the ground. Since McGlockton was not armed, Michael Drejka made a serious error to shoot and kill him. He clearly used excessive force in this case.

Did you know view the video? The younger,larger,and stronger black man rushed at him from the side,and blindsided him into the ground. The shooter,who up to that point had been standing several feet away from the dead thug's girlfriend and her car and who was posing no threat to her seemed to be about to continue the attack,when the shooter,still on his knees,started shooting him.

Hard to run away when you are on your knees.

The ONLY reason this arrest was made was because the shooter was white,and the shootee was a black thug. Not a word of protest would have been heard if the shooter was a black man that had just been blindsided by a white man.

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sneakypete  posted on  2018-08-13   20:23:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: BTP Holdings (#0) (Edited)

As a permit to carry instructor, McGlockton pushed a handicapped man down. Hard. However he was walking away when the gun was drawn.

What the permit holder should have done is detain him until law enforcement showed up. By shooting a retreating felon, because McGlockton was at that point guilty of assault, the shooter should have gone to jail. Had he detained McGlockton he would have gone to jail. The permit holder would have gone home and McGlockton would still be alive.

I would be surprised if the civil case gets tossed, because stand your ground does not apply here. From my perspective the had McGlockton came back in a threatening manner, then the shooting would be justified.

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TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2018-08-13   20:43:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#5)

From my perspective the had McGlockton came back in a threatening manner, then the shooting would be justified.

You are right about this. The shooter had a history of use of firearms in other situations. I believe it was 4 times. So this seems to be a bad habit of his. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2018-08-13   20:50:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#5)

What the permit holder should have done is detain him until law enforcement showed up. By shooting a retreating felon, because McGlockton was at that point guilty of assault, the shooter should have gone to jail. Had he detained McGlockton he would have gone to jail. The permit holder would have gone home and McGlockton would still be alive.

Yes, on the ground, he certainly did not have a viable retreat option. But he didn't need to shoot at the point where he did so. But given that he's being prosecuted for shooting the retreating suspect, or whatever he is at that point, how should he have gone about detaining the suspect? So long as he's retreating, shooting is unlawful, so how could he be lawfully detained under threat of shooting?

Certainly he was perfectly within his right to draw his firearm when he did as he was assaulted. But the timing of the shooting.... it seems not.

Pinguinite  posted on  2018-08-13   21:03:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: BTP Holdings (#6)

The shooter had a history of use of firearms in other situations. I believe it was 4 times. So this seems to be a bad habit of his. ;)

This is surely the first time he's fired, right? For all we know, in the prior incidents, he may have been in the right those other 4 times. Maybe.

Pinguinite  posted on  2018-08-13   21:05:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: BTP Holdings (#0)

When a White man shoots a Black man, these days, the evidence had better be pretty damning against the Black man or else YT goes to jail - every time. Look at George Zimmerman - he barely escaped the social lynch mob.

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X-15  posted on  2018-08-13   21:07:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: BTP Holdings (#0)

Since McGlockton was not armed, Michael Drejka made a serious error to shoot and kill him.

Not necessarily. First, Drejka would have to have known he was unarmed, lacking any weapon at all, when the event was unfolding, Hindsight doesn't count. #2: Even an unarmed man can kill.

The error is solely that at the point Drejka fired, it appeared McGlockton had already retreated and was continuing to do so.

Pinguinite  posted on  2018-08-13   21:09:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Pinguinite (#10)

Even an unarmed man can kill.

The error is solely that at the point Drejka fired, it appeared McGlockton had already retreated and was continuing to do so.

The movie Con Air is proof that your hands can be deadly weapons.

Drejka is on the hook for manslaughter. $100,000 bail is proof of that. He needs 10k to get out of jail. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2018-08-13   21:16:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Pinguinite (#8)

For a un-cop to be five times a shooter is pretty uncommon in its own right.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2018-08-13   21:18:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Lod (#12)

For a un-cop to be five times a shooter is pretty uncommon in its own right.

He should have lived back in the 1880's, evidently.

“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
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X-15  posted on  2018-08-13   21:29:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: BTP Holdings (#11)

He needs 10k to get out of jail.

A house will do it. Heck, if he owns an outhouse in Silicon Valley, it'll probably pay the whole bill!

Pinguinite  posted on  2018-08-13   21:50:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Pinguinite (#10)

The error is solely that at the point Drejka fired, it appeared McGlockton had already retreated and was continuing to do so.

After being decked like that, it was reasonable to use any means available to prevent further injury. It's clear McGlockton was not going to discuss the situation calmly.

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Dakmar  posted on  2018-08-13   22:11:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Dakmar (#15)

After being decked like that, it was reasonable to use any means available to prevent further injury.

I agree that he was decked like a sack of potatoes and was likely stunned, etc. I expect this to be his defense in court.

As for the shooting reaction...I can see it. Marshal Dillon would have drawn and backed the guy down...in Hollywood.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2018-08-13   22:51:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Fred Mertz (#16)

As for the shooting reaction...I can see it. Marshal Dillon would have drawn and backed the guy down...in Hollywood.

Remember what Teddy Roosevelt said, "Never flourish your weapon and don't draw unless you intend to fire." ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2018-08-14   5:33:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: BTP Holdings (#17)

Yes, I've heard that too although not the source of the advice.

This case will be quite complex is my prediction.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2018-08-14   10:46:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Fred Mertz (#18)

This case will be quite complex is my prediction.

One big problem for the shooter, he has 4 prior instances of involvement with a handgun in that state. This case may be the straw that breaks the camel's back. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2018-08-14   16:20:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Pinguinite (#8)

in the prior incidents

It is unfortunate we have no information on those incidents. Anything could have happened.

But we know for certain that the cops looked into his background and found enough evidence to have him arrested and indicted. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2018-08-14   18:03:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Lod (#3)

Seldom a smart thing to shoot when someone's retreating.

Stand your ground is a good law, it should not be brought into this case.

You're right on the first assertion for sure. This fella was known to brandish a firearm in other conflict situations although I've found it hard to find a solid account of any of these encounters. We're certain to hear more on these stories come down the pipe in coming days. I'm still looking to see what's been posted on it.

In any case, this case provides a lesson which reminds us that when going about armed, it's always good to pick our battles. Whereas I might gently remind someone parked without a placard in a handicap, I'd most probably let it go even if I weren't packing. If I was carrying heat, I'd walk away from that no mistake.

Your second comment is interesting and it looks likely that this law will be cited in this case. For good or ill, the coming trial could well be a test case that shows what the limits of "stand your ground" is. In Florida in any case.

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randge  posted on  2018-08-14   19:45:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: randge (#21)

I was trying to say that since the assailant was in retreat, the shooter had no need to "stand his ground" any longer and thus can't claim that law's protection.

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Lod  posted on  2018-08-14   22:06:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: randge (#21)

In any case, this case provides a lesson which reminds us that when going about armed, it's always good to pick our battles. Whereas I might gently remind someone parked without a placard in a handicap, I'd most probably let it go even if I weren't packing. If I was carrying heat, I'd walk away from that no mistake.

Excellent point. I was looking at this story as a case where a curmudgeon old prick was hassling some ghetto rats and got whipped in the "whose is bigger" contest. All true, up to that point, but you are correct, he has a responsibility to not provoke confrontation when he is armed.

“I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2018-08-14   23:18:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Lod (#22)

I was trying to say that since the assailant was in retreat, the shooter had no need to "stand his ground" any longer

You're absolutely right and your point is taken here.

However EVERY lamestream legacy media site I pull up today on Michael Drejka says "stand your ground" in the title block. They will be trumpeting this expression for weeks into the future. We're gonna get sick of hearing it.

And anyways it's hard to see what other defence Michael Drejka puts up besides simple self defence.

www.real.video/

randge  posted on  2018-08-15   15:11:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Dakmar (#23)

. . . a case where a curmudgeon old prick was hassling some ghetto rats and got whipped in the "whose is bigger" contest.

ROFLOL!

Gotta linky on that one?

www.real.video/

randge  posted on  2018-08-15   15:13:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: randge (#24)

He can always go cop and say he was "in fear for his life."

It seems to always work for them...

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2018-08-15   15:13:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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