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Title: Cheney Shotgun Ballistics Don't Match Up
Source: prisonplanet.com
URL Source: http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2006/150206matchup.htm
Published: Feb 15, 2006
Author: Alex Jones
Post Date: 2006-02-15 22:35:37 by Coral Snake
Keywords: Ballistics, Shotgun, Cheney
Views: 2884
Comments: 53

Cheney Shotgun Ballistics Don't Match Up

Alex Jones/Prison http://Planet.com | February 15 2006

What we had deducted almost immediately after Cheney machine began rolling on this shooting is now finally starting to filter out into the rest of the media: It is not only unlikely that Whittington was injured in the way he reportedly was if Cheney had shot him from 30 yards it is impossible.

After reviewing the Texas Department of Parks and Wildlife report on the shooting, there is no doubt that this is a cover-up.

The pattern of the birdshot depicted in the diagram on the report indicates about a foot spread from cheek to chest.

As we previously reported, birdshot is not like a traditional bullet. Birdshot is composed of hundreds of tiny lead BB's with very low mass which are designed to spread out and slow down very quickly. The idea is basically to shoot out a bunch of tiny pellets to catch a bird that may be taking wing at the instant it recognizes the shot has been fired. Many points ensure greater likelyhood of hitting the target.

These pellets are incredibly tiny and the further they get away from the gun, the slower and less forceful they become. So at a distance of about 90 feet (or 30 yards as reported by the White House) the pellets would have hit Whittington with the force equivilent to a gentle shove and have left maybe some tiny surface marks on any exposed skin.

The only way to account for the pattern indicated on the TDPW report is if Cheney was about 10 feet away from Whittington when he shot him.

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Reports and press releases that followed the event explained that some of the pellets had become lodged in his heart tissue. The only way this is possible, the only way that the tiny pellets designed to spread over distance could have maintained the force necessary to penetrate Whittington's hunting vest, clothing, skin, muscle, bone and finally into his rock-hard heart would have been if they came from a much shorter distance than the White House is claiming.

The initial reports have Whittington making jokes and feeling fine after the shooting, but doctors would have been able to diagnose with a simple x-ray that there was a chunk of metal in his heart tissue immediately upon receiving him. Now that he has taken a turn for the worse, they are in scramble-mode to cover-up what really happened in case he dies.

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#16. To: Coral Snake (#0)

Just the time delay on the report is "obstruction of justice."

Here's the catch - when did the hospital report the shooting? (Or, did they?)

Was the hospital in the same county?

How did they get an ambulance, without a 9-11 call, identifying the problem to a wide range of police authorities?

Why didn't the State authorities get into the scene?

There's a lot wrong in this picture - including making false statements.

BUT - will anyone care?

SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-02-16   10:59:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: SKYDRIFTER (#16)

Maybe they'll care if they see a pattern of arrogance that willfully ignores the Constitution. Like this Executive Order that Cheney's claims gives him the right to declassify info mentioned on a thread today. And the "Shoot First" mentality that got us in the mess called the Iraq War.

robin  posted on  2006-02-16   11:04:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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The jury is still out, but to get a pellet through clothing into a persons heart is a lot closer than 90 feet, in my book.

If you just go to the grouping of the bird-shot, how do you hit someone, who is not quite clearly in your vision. He saw a small bird, but didn't see the person???

For ANY shotgun, that's a small grouping, suggesting close range.

It stinks - as usual.

Calling Gorner and Grissom!


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-02-16   11:22:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: SKYDRIFTER, all (#25)

Ya know, when I mentioned shooting skeet and how a 28 gauge with the same load would smash a clay target to smithereens at 30 yards, I wasn't taking into account a leather vest and other clothing worn by the victim... NO WAY would it penetrate at that distance... It breaks the clay target and would penetrate flesh, YES, but no, it couldn't possibly penetrate the leather vest to go that deeply into his flesh. At the time that I was buying the DISTANCE part of it, the victim was reported to have SURFACE wounds and hadn't had the heart attack... The more we learn, the stinkier the official report gets... Earlier, all reports were saying SURFACE INJURIES... that could have been at 30 yards... THE TRUTH of the injuries negates that possibility just as the newest reports are saying...

HOWEVER, don't forget, the folks who "matter" to the admin will remember only the INITIAL reports and everything that comes later will be "conspiracy" and "smear jobs"... read a RW bbs and that's all they have to say about the NEW reports... I'm beginning to think that it's POSSIBLE that Cheney wasn't all together fully in control of his faculties... WHO wouldn't go to the hospital with his pal? WHO would sit down to dinner and telephone to make sure he was 'all right'...????? I let that slip only because as the VP, the press would swarm on his presence, but maybe it was more than that?? Time will tell.

siagiah  posted on  2006-02-17   11:11:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: siagiah (#43)

Cheney could have killed the guy in obvious malice; and nothing would be said.

This one will be torn to shreds, you know. This will be challenged by all sorts of legitimate experts.

Imagine a 12-inch grouping at 30 yards, with that kind of penetration power! I'd like to see the choke design.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-02-17   14:46:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: SKYDRIFTER (#46)

Imagine a 12-inch grouping at 30 yards, with that kind of penetration power! I'd like to see the choke design.

I'd like to see the SHOTGUN...

These claims would be almost believable with a twelve gauge- full choke trap barrel- using a double OO shotload- but NOT using 7 1/2 shot- 28 gauge bird gun with the more open choke that would certainly have been used. That gun & load is used for CLOSE RANGE QUAIL and Pheasant hunting... My husband uses a 410 to hunt pheasants... takes their heads off clean and leaves the meat unpeppered but then, he's GOOD ENOUGH to do that.

I've been without power for a few days due to severe windstorms taking down trees and poles so I'm not up to snuff with the latest news reports BUT I thought I'd heard that the victim gave a press conference? 'Zat true?

siagiah  posted on  2006-02-19   14:06:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: siagiah (#48)

Yeah, I think he came out with a statement that said that he and his family were truly sorry for all that trouble and inconvenience that he had put the vice president through. It was just plain carelessness on his part, he added remosefully.

This event has been traumatic for Mr. Cheney, the Austin lawyer continued, his eyes brimming with tears. "Everyone prays that we will put this unfortunate incident behind us and we hope that Cheney can get back to carrying on the business of this nation." The VP is recuperating at his compound in Wyoming.

gargantua  posted on  2006-02-19   14:35:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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