Rebekah Roth has, in my opinion, blown the lid off of the lies surrounding the events on 9/11. Facts which are outlined in her recently released book, Methodical Illusion; a book, as of this writing, that is #1 on the Amazon Best Seller List for its category.--NorthWestLibertyNews
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Roth’s research reveals ALL of the 911 cell phone calls from the passengers to their families and friends were actually made on the ground after the 4 planes landed at a remote military airfield and listen to what her research reveals about passenger 9B. This is a must listen. I agree with NorthWestLibertyNews's opinion that Rebekah has blown the lid off the 9/11 lies.
Every single bit of your piss-gargling nonsense has been thoroughly and completely debunked over and over. I'm not going revisit all of this nearly 14 years later.
None of the buildings fell at free fall. None of the building fell into their own footprint. There is indisputable visual evidence that the building collapsed at the locations they were hit by the planes. So in your hare brained theory, either the pilots managed to hit the spots where the explosives were previously planted or there were people alive up there after the plane impact who were determined to commit a suicide act.
I can't believe anybody outside a mental institution is still arguing this garbage anymore.
And there we have it!
Funny, just last week I tried to persuade formerlurker not to insult abraham by jeering "take your meds" because I thought that the level of discourse here was more mature and factual than ad hominem attacks.
Yet here abe himself defaults and degrades to this very behavior on 4um. Sure didn't take long!
Pity, emotionalism. What a shame.
I wonder if a forum of teenagers discussing topics would be much different.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you".Sirach 4:28
#520. To: Abraham, all, Good Friday, do unto others (#519)
I'm not going to pretend crazy people are anything other than crazy.
Well that's essentially what FL said to my suggestion, also.
So each calls the other "crazy" because they have a different opinion, & personal insults are viewed as the remedy.
If you say so., to each their own.
I think that if you go around insulting people you're vertainly free to do so, but it won't get you any converts to your side & will only diminish any respect people had for you.
What's the big deal about people disagreeing anyway? Even good friends & family may often disagree on serious matters. Its not the end of the world. That's what autonomy means.
If someone wants to believe & defend the govt story on 911 14 years after the fact who cares? If they're hat invested in it maybe they need to be that way. Doesn't affect me in the least. Just as my calling the story a fraud has no bearing whatsoever on you or your life. Everyone here will probably be dead in 50 years or less anyway & when we meet our maker, will you/we be proud that we went around denigrating & insulting other people? Surely not.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you".Sirach 4:28
I think that if you go around insulting people you're vertainly free to do so, but it won't get you any converts to your side & will only diminish any respect people had for you.
I didn't insult anyone in particular. I simply made a general statement about that people who continue to put credence in this nonsense.
I am well aware that I will never convert those "who have woken up to the troof" of anything. I doubt I will comment anymore on these troofer threads. I can't believe anybody still is pushing this stuff.
I don't disagree with the manipulation to get America into endless war in the ME after 9/11, but I still want to know what happened to the passengers if they didn't die in the aircraft.
“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group." -Alex Kurtagic
I don't disagree with the manipulation to get America into endless war in the ME after 9/11, but I still want to know what happened to the passengers if they didn't die in the aircraft.
Not only were the numbers of alleged passengers unusually low, there are multiple discrepencies in the reported passenger lists -- some names in particular that appear in one place...disappear in another...duplicate in morphed forms. Some names might be on the list as an exit strategy for witness protection program identity changes. Some may have been killed prior and their names included for insurance and disaster charity fraud. People who were close to them would tend to think they did die as 9/11 victims. Some names may even be entirely fictitous, also for insurance and disaster charity fraud amongst the insiders. Reportedly, the wife of one of the air traffic controllers that day was on one the alleged hijacks. iirc, he might have been the ATC who reportedly had been involved in the Egypt Air disaster and another too. As for alleged Flt. 93 "officially" claimed to have crashed deep into the ground at Shanksville, PA, anyone of the opinion that was a real airliner with real people aboard should at least question why no attempt to excavate said impact zone for any possible survivors.
Edited last sentence.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
question why no attempt to excavate said impact zone for any possible survivors.
!!!!!!!! I can't believe you typed those words.
“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group." -Alex Kurtagic
There's a lot of words that I cannot believe get typed including the most recent ones that state that when a building's support columns are destroyed that it isn't gravity that brings them down...
I cannot believe get typed including the most recent ones that state that when a building's support columns are destroyed that it isn't gravity that brings them down...
Whoever said that, you?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
Go ahead and find the post and link it, otherwise admit that you are a liar.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
Support columns were destroyed when the planes hit the towers...structural support was further compromised by the combination of stress and fire...
But the buildings had to be blown up to fall...
Pure BS.
The CENTRAL CORES of the towers were NOT destroyed prior to the collapse.
Only a relatively small SECTION of the outer wall was damaged in the impact areas of the towers.
Thus, the SUPPORTING STRUCTURE UNDER the damaged areas were INTACT snd STABLE, contrary to your smoke and mirrors carnival show, and contrary to your wild claims.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
If you were having a joke I missed it: when an airliner pile-drives into the ground there are NO "survivors". Ever.
“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group." -Alex Kurtagic
If you were having a joke I missed it: when an airliner pile-drives into the ground there are NO "survivors". Ever.
I probably should have been clearer about the excavation comment, which I meant to convey with a sense of immediacy, in case of any possible survivors -- that day of 9/11 rather than some days later when they were searching for the black boxes. I know the chances of survivors would seem impossible in a real scenario but the official story is that the ground was very soft at the point of impact and that's why the plane, or most of it, tunneled at least 15 feet fully underground and maybe went into a mine shaft too -- which could have increased chances of survival if so, I would guess. And if the ground was that soft, it should have been easy to reach the plane right away to find out.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Yet there is NO damage to the floors below the damaged area, so explain to me why THEY would suddenly fail to support the upper structure.
As far as WTC2, the plane hit on an angle and did not damage the central core, which was the predominate load bearing component of the structure. The outer wall columns were chiefly there for horizontal loads, such as for providing stablity against winds.
Trusses supported the actual lightweight cement of the floors themselves, but they did not support the actual structure other than the immediate floor which rested on them.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
...the official story is that the ground was very soft at the point of impact and that's why the plane, or most of it, tunneled at least 15 feet fully underground and maybe went into a mine shaft too -- which could have increased chances of survival if so, I would guess. And if the ground was that soft, it should have been easy to reach the plane right away to find out.
I'd never heard that whacky story; which is even goofier than the Pentagon story.
93 was shot down and left an eight mile debris field before whatever was remaining crashed in PA.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Anyway there was a 10 mile debris field & an engine was 2 miles away from the aleged crash site of flight 93 (both mainstream news)
Possibly falsely planted. No bodies or parts of them along those miles. A shootdown has been claimed through the years, I think, to condition the public to accept that as "Standard Operating Procedure" in hijacks rather than trying to save the lives of passengers by negotiations for a safe landing. To push that even more, the so-called "heroic passengers" meme is "Masada-styled" as if to "ok" them murdering everyone aboard before the hijackers did and endangering lives on the ground, too, in the process instead of waiting for Military intervention, which they couldn't have had any evidence wasn't on the way and nearby.
Alsofox reported 93 landed safely in cincinatti, quoting both the fbi & airline spokesmen by name.
They later merely quipped it was an error. Wtf? How can two specific admissions be called error?
Infowar...PsyOps...
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Trusses supported the actual lightweight cement of the floors themselves
Lightweight cement...?!?
Hilarious...
On one hand the structure's floors had heavy cement which should have stopped the downward momentum of 10's of millions of tons of falling steel and office equipment and the regular weight cement...on the other hand, it was *lightweight* and, therefore, what? Could defy gravity?
A shootdown has been claimed through the years, I think, to condition the public to accept that as "Standard Operating Procedure" in hijacks rather than trying to save the lives of passengers by negotiations for a safe landing.
I have no doubts whatsoever that it was...just as I have no doubts about TWA 800...
Are you an idiot in real life, or do you just play one on the Internet?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
Uh...no...the *predominant* load bearing *component* of the structure was the outer structure...the center support was secondary...
You are flat out wrong, either delibertately, or out of sheer arrogant stupidity.
The central core is what supported the vertical load of the building. Do I need to look that up, or are you capable of using Google on your own?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
Could somebody give the essence of this discussion in a few words? Surely the dispute isn't over whether 9/11 was an inside job? For anybody who didn't see it immediately as the towers were falling, surely the day the authorities claimed to find one of the Ayrabs' passport in the rubble would do it.
Not you, war. Thanks but no thanks. Somebody else.
the official story is that the ground was very soft at the point of impact and that's why the plane, or most of it, tunneled at least 15 feet fully underground and maybe went into a mine shaft too
The site had been mined for coal, then refilled with dirt. It was still soft when Flight 93 crashed, and firefighters said the Boeing 757 tunneled right in. They had to dig 15 feet to find it.
Could somebody give the essence of this discussion in a few words?
At 500+ replies, No.
That's why my next action will be to select Ignore Thread and go make a grilled cheese, bacon, and tomato sandwich.
With mustard.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Could somebody give the essence of this discussion in a few words? Surely the dispute isn't over whether 9/11 was an inside job? For anybody who didn't see it immediately as the towers were falling, surely the day the authorities claimed to find one of the Ayrabs' passport in the rubble would do it.
Not you, war. Thanks but no thanks. Somebody else.
war keeps insisting on advertising WTC Pancakes Flambé against FormerLurker's better judgement. : )
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
which I meant to convey with a sense of immediacy, in case of any possible survivors -- that day of 9/11 rather than some days later when they were searching for the black boxes. I know the chances of survivors would seem impossible in a real scenario but the official story is that the ground was very soft at the point of impact and that's why the plane, or most of it, tunneled at least 15 feet fully underground and maybe went into a mine shaft too -- which could have increased chances of survival if so, I would guess.
Oh hell no, give your brain a chance. You ever stomp on a beer can? Same thing happens to an airliner, and everybody/everything inside it, when it smacks the earth: crushed aluminum.
“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group." -Alex Kurtagic
Oh hell no, give your brain a chance. You ever stomp on a beer can? Same thing happens to an airliner, and everybody/everything inside it, when it smacks the earth: crushed aluminum.
Thanks for the modern-day reminder. Sometimes I lapse into earlier childhood memories of a plane park where they were built sturdy enough back then for us to run around on a wing and stuff, several at a time.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Experimental Worms Survived Reentry Break-Up and Crash of Space Shuttle Columbia, According to a Report in the Journal Astrobiology
New Rochelle, December 29, 2005 – On board the Space Shuttle Columbia mission STS-107, researchers were studying the growth and reproductive behavior of the nematode worm Caenorhabditis elegans, but the mission ended in tragedy in 2003 when the shuttle broke up during reentry. Remarkably, the worms, housed in specially designed canisters, survived the virtually unprotected reentry into the Earth’s atmosphere and were recovered alive during the extensive recovery effort following the crash, as reported in the December 2005 (Volume 5, Number 6) issue of Astrobiology, a peer-reviewed journal published by Mary Ann Liebert, Inc. The paper is available free online at http://www.liebertpub.com/ast.
A team of scientists comprised of Nathaniel Szewczyk, Rocco Mancinelli, and Catharine Conley from the NASA Ames Research Center (Moffett Field, CA), William McLamb and David Reed from Bionetics Corporation (Kennedy Space Center, FL) and Nobel Laureate Baruch Blumberg from Fox Chase Cancer Center have co- authored a paper entitled, “Caenorhabditis elegans Survives Atmospheric Breakup of STS-107, Space Shuttle Columbia” that documents the amazing recovery of the experimental worms, which are commonly used in biological studies and are being developed as a model system for space biology research.
