Rebekah Roth has, in my opinion, blown the lid off of the lies surrounding the events on 9/11. Facts which are outlined in her recently released book, Methodical Illusion; a book, as of this writing, that is #1 on the Amazon Best Seller List for its category.--NorthWestLibertyNews
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Roth’s research reveals ALL of the 911 cell phone calls from the passengers to their families and friends were actually made on the ground after the 4 planes landed at a remote military airfield and listen to what her research reveals about passenger 9B. This is a must listen. I agree with NorthWestLibertyNews's opinion that Rebekah has blown the lid off the 9/11 lies.
No one above 84 made it out. ABOVE the impact area would have been 86th floor and above...
You are either mentally challenged or are seriously playing games with me here.
I posted a news clip from USA today which reported survivors from several different areas within and ABOVE the South Tower impact zone, and one of those survivors were on the 91st floor.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
That said, nothing is seen when the penthouse collapses other than the penthouse collapsing...
So now you're trying to say WTC 7 is still there absent its penthouse?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
The person who supposedly made it down from the 91st floor did not work there...he worked on 84...he had climbed the steps and decided to stop. He waited then decided to go down the steps.
May I make a suggestion? This thread is approaching 500 replies and saturating the Latest Comments page. I suspect everybody who's going to be convinced one way or the other already has been, so you might want to expend these impressive talents on other subjects. Just a suggestion!
I'm excited to discover today (took me awhile) that there's tons of discussion going on here. I have strong opinions on 9/11, and forcing myself not to add my 2c in this space is my greatest 2015 achievement so far :-)
There WAS a survivor that was on the 91st floor. Are you saying that USA Today is lying?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
Yes...he was on the 91st floor because he had walked up there from 84...
"A few people escaped from the 78th floor down these stairs. One person went down the stairs from the 81st floor, two from the 84th floor and one from the 91st. "
"A few people escaped from the 78th floor down these stairs. One person went down the stairs from the 81st floor, two from the 84th floor and one from the 91st. "
Ok, so you admit that the impact zone and areas immediately above it were safe for people to walk through unharmed, correct?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
9/11/01: WYNW (FOX) Reporter Confirms The Fires In The South Tower Were Almost Out
Anyone who was reporting that the fires in WTC7 were almost out was 100% wrong...
Are you a less than intelligent human, or are you some defective webbot?
The headline said SOUTH TOWER, not WTC7.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
Yep, you know more than the people who were putting out the fires. Good for you war.
Continue to live in a fanatasy world, but don't fault others who see things for what they are.
So what is your occupation war? You seem to have nothing more to do than post on Internet forums, taking the government side on pretty much everything you "discuss".
Might you be, gasp, a government stooge?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
Nowhere does FDNY state that the fire in any of the towers were nearly out.
They sure as hell did in that deleted video, and that is why there were so many web sites linking it, till the PTB decided to "pull it".
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
Those pictures were taken shortly after the aircraft crashed into the towers, right?
Being that you provide no link or information on the images, it's anyone's guess.
As far as the penthouse (you apparently have a fixation with that magazine), I've already given you my thoughts on that.
You obviously are playing the standard disinfo game, where you keep asking for info that's already been provided.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
Regardless of when they were taken, office fires cannot and will not cause a building to collapse in less than hour.
Are you unaware that the building itself was a huge heatsink, where heat would be dispersed through the building itself, and there would be no possibility of any part of the steel infrastructure heating to a point of failure?
And EVEN if there were some sort of catastrophic failure of PART of the structure, the collapse would not be total and symmetrical, it would be asymmetrical, and only the damaged upper part would have fallen, ie. the top part would have toppled over or slid off and crashed into the streets below.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
It took repeated askings for you to acknowledge that WTC7 collapse began well prior to when you claimed that it did...
The bombs certainly did demolish the area under the penthouse before the main charges were detonated on the lower floors, causing the ENTIRE building to DROP at a rate consistant with free fall.
But sure, the penthouse was destroyed prior to the main event.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
Regardless of when they were taken, office fires cannot and will not cause a building to collapse in less than hour.
Maybe office fires by themselves won't...maybe...however...office fires preceded by a) a major explosion and b) collisions of high velocity certainly did do the trick...
Care to guess how many stories of WTC were engulfed in flames on 9/11?
You won't accept the laws of physics, you won't use common sense and reason, and you engage in circular arguments.
I have more important things to do than play along with someone who really isn't here to discover what did or didn't happen on 9/11, but is here instead to waste other people's time.
If I had all day long to educate you, or perhaps a full week, perhaps I could give you a one on one GoToMeeting presentation using a white board, textbook chapters on physics, mathmatical proof of assertions made, and the historical chain of events leading up to 9/11, what happened on 9/11, and what happened afterwards.
Perhaps if you cared about any of that, you would have already looked up Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and found out what they have to say on the matter.
Maybe you'd have looked up the NYFD recordings from that day, or looked up info on the timeline leading up to 9/11 including the negotiations between the Taliban and UNICOL concerning the proposed Tran-Afghan pipeline.
Perhaps you'd do many things MOST of us here have already done, and once you'd have taken the time to do so, you'd understand what we're trying to tell you.
I've gone through all this before, going round after round with shillsters such as BAC, yukon, and a wide assortment of other Internet personas over the many years I've been posting on forums starting at Freerepublic, then at LP, and finally here on 4um.
No matter what amount of facts presented short of an admission from GW Bush and Dick Cheney that they personally authorized the 9/11 attacks and ordered various agencies to support those attacks, would you ever admit that the facts definitiely prove that the offical government tale on what happened that day is nothing more than an implausible and ridiculous fantasy based upon lies, more lies, and even more lies.
I have REAL work to get done war, but if you ever wish to seriously discuss what happened, just give me a shout, but for now, I can't be bothered with your games.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
*Accept* such as what? That massive explosions and high velocity collisions with solid objects don't cause any damage and 10's of thousands of gallons of a volatile accelerant introduced, ignited, in to a fuel rich environment doesn't result in significant fires? That the effect of gravity isn't direct but circuitous? You believe all of that.
So...it's not me ignoring those laws...it's you...
Perhaps if you cared about any of that, you would have already looked up Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and found out what they have to say on the matter.
I've read the arguments and conclusions of this very small group of people. I've also seen them rebutted by their peers in more than one place.
Maybe you'd have looked up the NYFD recordings from that day
Not only have I read the transcripts, I know actual FDNY who were there that day - including family members - and who were pulled from the area around WTC7 circa 230ish because there was nothing left of half of the south face of the building...none of them, not one of them, have any doubt why that building collapsed.
No matter what amount of facts presented
You keep thinking that you have presented facts. Here's a clue. Facts cannot be falsified. Everything that you have presented HAS BEEN falsified.
You keep pretending that large stationary objects can collapse into themselves as if they're made of matchsticks, and accelerate at the rate of earth's gravity with a skyscraper between them and the ground.
You keep pretending that office fires can superheat structural steel to the point of failure in less than an hour, and can cause perfectly symmetrical collapses INTO the path of MOST resistance, straight through undamaged solid objects.
You keep insisting that cell phones actually worked at cruising altitude for airliners back in 2001.
You close your eyes to any and all facts which point towards deception on the part of the US government and its media puppets.
That's just for starters. But like I said, you would argue till we both die of old age the same circular arguments, if given the opportunity. I'm not playing that game with you war.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
Everything that you have presented HAS BEEN falsified.
You are a liar war. And that IS a fact.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
You keep pretending that large stationary objects can collapse into themselves as if they're made of matchsticks, and accelerate at the rate of earth's gravity with a skyscraper between them and the ground.
Nobody is claiming that and there is nothing supporting that anything like that happened during 911.
You keep pretending that office fires can superheat structural steel to the point of failure in less than an hour, and can cause perfectly symmetrical collapses INTO the path of MOST resistance, straight through undamaged solid objects.
Office fire? LOL okay. They did not collapse into the path of most resistance. Actual structural engineers have demonstrated the facts about their collapse.
You keep insisting that cell phones actually worked at cruising altitude for airliners back in 2001.
Back in the 90's, they had actual pay for use cellphones mounted on the back of the seat in front of you. I guess they could have been land line phones, but that's a pretty long cable.
I can't believe anybody outside a mental institution is still arguing this garbage anymore.
Nobody is claiming that and there is nothing supporting that anything like that happened during 911.
Oh, so you're saying the WTC towers are still standing?
Office fire? LOL okay. They did not collapse into the path of most resistance. Actual structural engineers have demonstrated the facts about their collapse.
Yes, office fires. The jet fuel had burned up within the first few minutes, and most of it ended up being used up in the fireballs formed OUTSIDE the WTC towers.
As far as path of most resistance, what experiences less resistance to gravity, an object sliding off an incline, an object losing its balance and toppling over through thin air, or an object resting on top of a solid object below it?
Back in the 90's, they had actual pay for use cellphones mounted on the back of the seat in front of you. I guess they could have been land line phones, but that's a pretty long cable.
Wrong. Those phones were discontinued prior to 9/11 on the airliners in question, and the US government has insisted (then flip/flopped) then insisted again that cell phones were used to place those calls.
So educate yourself as to what is CLAIMED to have happened prior to telling people they don't know what they're talking about.
I can't believe anybody outside a mental institution is still arguing this garbage anymore.
So which insane asylum do YOU hail from?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
Every single bit of your piss-gargling nonsense has been thoroughly and completely debunked over and over. I'm not going revisit all of this nearly 14 years later.
None of the buildings fell at free fall. None of the building fell into their own footprint. There is indisputable visual evidence that the building collapsed at the locations they were hit by the planes. So in your hare brained theory, either the pilots managed to hit the spots where the explosives were previously planted or there were people alive up there after the plane impact who were determined to commit a suicide act.
I can't believe anybody outside a mental institution is still arguing this garbage anymore.
And there we have it!
Funny, just last week I tried to persuade formerlurker not to insult abraham by jeering "take your meds" because I thought that the level of discourse here was more mature and factual than ad hominem attacks.
Yet here abe himself defaults and degrades to this very behavior on 4um. Sure didn't take long!
Pity, emotionalism. What a shame.
I wonder if a forum of teenagers discussing topics would be much different.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you".Sirach 4:28
