Rebekah Roth has, in my opinion, blown the lid off of the lies surrounding the events on 9/11. Facts which are outlined in her recently released book, Methodical Illusion; a book, as of this writing, that is #1 on the Amazon Best Seller List for its category.--NorthWestLibertyNews
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Roth’s research reveals ALL of the 911 cell phone calls from the passengers to their families and friends were actually made on the ground after the 4 planes landed at a remote military airfield and listen to what her research reveals about passenger 9B. This is a must listen. I agree with NorthWestLibertyNews's opinion that Rebekah has blown the lid off the 9/11 lies.
None of the buildings fell at free fall speed and as soon as you acknowledged that the Penthouse collapse actually occurred then you know this as well...
The penthouse (Penthouse is a magazine, did you know that you don't capitalize words unless they're proper nouns or at the beginning of a sentence), BEGAN to collapse prior to the MAIN collapse.
THAT indicates there was structural failure below the penthouse PRIOR to the bottom of the structure TOTALLY failing causing the ENTIRE building to drop as one at free fall speed.
You can continue to deny the fact that both towers AND Building 7 dropped into their own footprints at or near free fall speed, yet that doesn't make it true.
You could also insist that the Earth has 5 moons of identical size which support vast herds of goats on each one, but that doesn't make that true either.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
The people who escaped from the South Tower floors which were ABOVE the impact area made it through the area safely. So apparently there were no fires there which could have weakened steel.
Do you not understand that simple fact?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
BTW, I'm curious if you can give me an instance of gravity working on a falling object where a) the path was not downward when b) absent any horizontal force......
BTW, I'm curious if you can give me an instance of gravity working on a falling object where a) the path was not downward when b) absent any horizontal force......
I'd be curious if you can give me an instance of ANY object dropping through itself at free fall speed (or close to it).
Sort of like having a stack of boxes falling straight down, where the top box breaks through all lower boxes as if they weren't even there. That'd be an example of how the towers fell.
Then show me an example of a stack of boxes falling down from the bottom box collapsing into itself, with all upper boxes falling straight down into themselves once the bottom box starts to collapse. That'd be like a WTC 7 collapse.
Remember, there can't be any toppling over, tumbing over, or any motion except for downwards, even though there is a solid floor underneath those boxes.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
The few who did were situated, uniquely, near Staircase A... That is why you were asked, "what staircase?"
But IF the fires were as hot as you claim, wouldn't you need to admit that the ENTIRE impact area would need to be too hot for humans to endure or escape unharmed?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
The people who escaped from the South Tower floors which were ABOVE the impact area made it through the area safely. So apparently there were no fires there which could have weakened steel.
Wait a second...you are claiming people from ABOVE the impact area made it out of the South Tower?
No one above 84 made it out. ABOVE the impact area would have been 86th floor and above...
What it also indicated, is that the collapse took seconds longer than free fall speed.
BS. The collapse time is measured from the time the STRUCTURE begins to drop as one, THAT is what amounts to a total structural collapse.
That there was evidently SOME sort of demolition occuring on the top floor where the penthouse was situated does not mean squat in terms of how fast the top four corners of the building along with the REST of the building dropped as one.
Even discounting your dishonest claims as to whether the time of collapse begins when ANY part of the building fails, or when the ENTIRE building drops uniformly, the difference is a matter of fractions of a second.
It takes more than a fraction of a second to demolish 50 or so floors of a high rise building.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
But IF the fires were as hot as you claim, wouldn't you need to admit that the ENTIRE impact area would need to be too hot for humans to endure or escape unharmed?
When you put a log on a fire is the entire log immediately consumed?
Would you characterize the fire as being *low level* for that reason?
No one above 84 made it out. ABOVE the impact area would have been 86th floor and above...
You are either mentally challenged or are seriously playing games with me here.
I posted a news clip from USA today which reported survivors from several different areas within and ABOVE the South Tower impact zone, and one of those survivors were on the 91st floor.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
That said, nothing is seen when the penthouse collapses other than the penthouse collapsing...
So now you're trying to say WTC 7 is still there absent its penthouse?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
The person who supposedly made it down from the 91st floor did not work there...he worked on 84...he had climbed the steps and decided to stop. He waited then decided to go down the steps.
May I make a suggestion? This thread is approaching 500 replies and saturating the Latest Comments page. I suspect everybody who's going to be convinced one way or the other already has been, so you might want to expend these impressive talents on other subjects. Just a suggestion!
I'm excited to discover today (took me awhile) that there's tons of discussion going on here. I have strong opinions on 9/11, and forcing myself not to add my 2c in this space is my greatest 2015 achievement so far :-)
There WAS a survivor that was on the 91st floor. Are you saying that USA Today is lying?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
Yes...he was on the 91st floor because he had walked up there from 84...
"A few people escaped from the 78th floor down these stairs. One person went down the stairs from the 81st floor, two from the 84th floor and one from the 91st. "
"A few people escaped from the 78th floor down these stairs. One person went down the stairs from the 81st floor, two from the 84th floor and one from the 91st. "
Ok, so you admit that the impact zone and areas immediately above it were safe for people to walk through unharmed, correct?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
9/11/01: WYNW (FOX) Reporter Confirms The Fires In The South Tower Were Almost Out
Anyone who was reporting that the fires in WTC7 were almost out was 100% wrong...
Are you a less than intelligent human, or are you some defective webbot?
The headline said SOUTH TOWER, not WTC7.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
Yep, you know more than the people who were putting out the fires. Good for you war.
Continue to live in a fanatasy world, but don't fault others who see things for what they are.
So what is your occupation war? You seem to have nothing more to do than post on Internet forums, taking the government side on pretty much everything you "discuss".
Might you be, gasp, a government stooge?
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
Nowhere does FDNY state that the fire in any of the towers were nearly out.
They sure as hell did in that deleted video, and that is why there were so many web sites linking it, till the PTB decided to "pull it".
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
Those pictures were taken shortly after the aircraft crashed into the towers, right?
Being that you provide no link or information on the images, it's anyone's guess.
As far as the penthouse (you apparently have a fixation with that magazine), I've already given you my thoughts on that.
You obviously are playing the standard disinfo game, where you keep asking for info that's already been provided.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
Regardless of when they were taken, office fires cannot and will not cause a building to collapse in less than hour.
Are you unaware that the building itself was a huge heatsink, where heat would be dispersed through the building itself, and there would be no possibility of any part of the steel infrastructure heating to a point of failure?
And EVEN if there were some sort of catastrophic failure of PART of the structure, the collapse would not be total and symmetrical, it would be asymmetrical, and only the damaged upper part would have fallen, ie. the top part would have toppled over or slid off and crashed into the streets below.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
It took repeated askings for you to acknowledge that WTC7 collapse began well prior to when you claimed that it did...
The bombs certainly did demolish the area under the penthouse before the main charges were detonated on the lower floors, causing the ENTIRE building to DROP at a rate consistant with free fall.
But sure, the penthouse was destroyed prior to the main event.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
Regardless of when they were taken, office fires cannot and will not cause a building to collapse in less than hour.
Maybe office fires by themselves won't...maybe...however...office fires preceded by a) a major explosion and b) collisions of high velocity certainly did do the trick...
Care to guess how many stories of WTC were engulfed in flames on 9/11?
You won't accept the laws of physics, you won't use common sense and reason, and you engage in circular arguments.
I have more important things to do than play along with someone who really isn't here to discover what did or didn't happen on 9/11, but is here instead to waste other people's time.
If I had all day long to educate you, or perhaps a full week, perhaps I could give you a one on one GoToMeeting presentation using a white board, textbook chapters on physics, mathmatical proof of assertions made, and the historical chain of events leading up to 9/11, what happened on 9/11, and what happened afterwards.
Perhaps if you cared about any of that, you would have already looked up Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and found out what they have to say on the matter.
Maybe you'd have looked up the NYFD recordings from that day, or looked up info on the timeline leading up to 9/11 including the negotiations between the Taliban and UNICOL concerning the proposed Tran-Afghan pipeline.
Perhaps you'd do many things MOST of us here have already done, and once you'd have taken the time to do so, you'd understand what we're trying to tell you.
I've gone through all this before, going round after round with shillsters such as BAC, yukon, and a wide assortment of other Internet personas over the many years I've been posting on forums starting at Freerepublic, then at LP, and finally here on 4um.
No matter what amount of facts presented short of an admission from GW Bush and Dick Cheney that they personally authorized the 9/11 attacks and ordered various agencies to support those attacks, would you ever admit that the facts definitiely prove that the offical government tale on what happened that day is nothing more than an implausible and ridiculous fantasy based upon lies, more lies, and even more lies.
I have REAL work to get done war, but if you ever wish to seriously discuss what happened, just give me a shout, but for now, I can't be bothered with your games.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
*Accept* such as what? That massive explosions and high velocity collisions with solid objects don't cause any damage and 10's of thousands of gallons of a volatile accelerant introduced, ignited, in to a fuel rich environment doesn't result in significant fires? That the effect of gravity isn't direct but circuitous? You believe all of that.
So...it's not me ignoring those laws...it's you...
Perhaps if you cared about any of that, you would have already looked up Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and found out what they have to say on the matter.
I've read the arguments and conclusions of this very small group of people. I've also seen them rebutted by their peers in more than one place.
Maybe you'd have looked up the NYFD recordings from that day
Not only have I read the transcripts, I know actual FDNY who were there that day - including family members - and who were pulled from the area around WTC7 circa 230ish because there was nothing left of half of the south face of the building...none of them, not one of them, have any doubt why that building collapsed.
No matter what amount of facts presented
You keep thinking that you have presented facts. Here's a clue. Facts cannot be falsified. Everything that you have presented HAS BEEN falsified.
