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Title: Why did help take so long to arrive?
Source: The Guardian (UK)
URL Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/katrina/story/0,16441,1561909,00.html
Published: Sep 3, 2005
Author: Julian Borger and Duncan Campbell
Post Date: 2005-09-03 10:53:58 by robin
Keywords: arrive?, help, take
Views: 527
Comments: 31

Why did help take so long to arrive?

Communication breakdown and lack of National Guard blamed for slow response
Julian Borger and Duncan Campbell
Saturday September 3, 2005

Guardian

'It is incredible, the government had no evacuation plan ... the first power in the world and it left its own population adrift." It will be particularly galling that the man voicing those thoughts, echoed yesterday by many across the United States and around the world, was Hugo Chávez, the president of Venezuela, and one of the Bush administration's main hate figures.

That bewilderment, tinged with anger towards officials at local and national level, was shared at the scene of the disaster and by political commentators and disaster relief experts. In Louisiana, local and state officials voiced anger yesterday at the Bush administration's response.

So what went wrong with the relief effort? Why, so many days after Katrina struck, is there still such chaos, despite the fact that there was ample warning of what might befall the Gulf coast?

The Federal Emergency Management Agency (Fema) has been accused of being so concerned about the possibility of a terrorist attack that it failed to prepare properly for a much more inevitable natural disaster.

After the authorities in Baton Rouge had prepared a field hospital for victims of the storm, Fema sent its first batch of supplies, all of which were designed for use against chemical attack, including drugs such as Cipro, which is designed for use against anthrax. "We called them up and asked them: 'Why did you send that, and they said that's what it says in the book'," said a Baton Rouge official.

Another possible cause for the chaos was that traditionally there have been so many warnings in the hurricane period that many residents in affected areas often shrug them off. For this reason, many may have not left the area.

Local officials also seem to have grossly underestimated the needs of those who did not own cars. Louisiana governor Kathleen Blanco yesterday defended the state's actions saying they had requisitioned many school buses to evacuate those without cars. Residents, however, complained that many of them were left stranded, unaware of any such service.

"Yeah, they told us we needed to evacuate, but really that was for the rich people," Curtis Vaughn, 48, told the Chicago Tribune. "A lot of these people live paycheck to paycheck and couldn't afford even one night away from home."

Officials seem to have been taken by surprise by the breakdown in communications, in every sense of the word, with mobile phones and landlines not operating. Ms Blanco acknowledged that officials were struggling with faulty communication. She said she could reach White House officials on a satellite phone but not the army and other officials in nearby Baton Rouge. "Part of our problem is we're not getting information delivered quickly enough," she said.

Most controversially, the National Guard, which can normally be relied on in times of crisis, are depleted and dispersed.

Nancy Lessin, of Military Families Speak Out, whose daughter is in New Orleans, said: "The numbers we have are that there are 11,000 National Guard personnel from Louisiana of whom about 3,000 are in Iraq with most of the heavy equipment. This included generators and high-water and other vehicles which could assist with the rescue effort."

Philip Crowley, director of homeland security at the Centre for American Progress, said the fact there were so many National Guardsmen from the area in Iraq inevitably affected the response.

There seems also to have been a failure in forward planning. Walter Baumy, a chief engineer with the US army corps of engineers, said the corps was confronted with riverbeds clogged with loose barges and debris and that it could not find contractors able to manoeuvre heavy equipment into the flood zone.

Finally, the city's infrastructure was woefully inadequate for what had been an oft-predicted flood. The city's 22 pumping stations are not operating.

What has puzzled experts is that there had been both predictions and potential scenarios enacted more than a year ago. "The scenario of a major hurricane hitting New Orleans was well-anticipated, predicted and drilled around," Clare Rubin, an emergency management consultant who also teaches at the Institute for Crisis, Disaster and Risk Management at George Washington University told Reuters.

Computer models developed at Louisiana State University and other institutions made detailed projections of what would happen if water flowed over the levees protecting the city.

In July 2004, more than 40 federal, state, local and volunteer organisations carried out a five-day simulation, code-named Hurricane Pam, during which they had to deal with an imaginary storm that destroyed more than half a million buildings in New Orleans and forced the evacuation of a million residents.

At the time, Ron Castleman, regional director for the Fema said: "We made great progress this week in our preparedness efforts."

At the heart of the failure seems to be a breakdown in the relationship between national and local agencies. The authorities in the Louisiana state capital are increasingly at loggerheads with federal disaster relief officials over what to do with the thousands of people still trapped in New Orleans.

The authorities in Baton Rouge say they have tried to raise such problems with Fema representatives deployed to the city but were told all decisions had to be relayed to Washington. "They sent down Mike Brown [the head of Fema] for television interviews, but everyone else is really low-level," an official said.

Federal officials have defended their response. Michael Chertoff, head of the homeland security department, which has responsibility for Fema, said: "We are extremely pleased with the response of every element of the federal government, all of our federal partners, to this terrible tragedy.

"For those who wonder why it is that it is difficult to get these supplies and these medical teams into place, the answer is they are battling an ongoing dynamic problem with the water."

Most disconcerting for those responsible for the relief effort is that it is not just Hugo Chávez who is expressing his amazement. Jack Cafferty, the CNN anchor known for his straight-talking, declared: "I remember the riots in Watts. I remember the earthquake in San Francisco. I remember a lot of things. I have never seen anything as badly handled as this situation in New Orleans. Where the hell is the water for these people? Why can't sandwiches be dropped to those people in that Superdome down there? It's a disgrace. And don't think the world isn't watching."

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#1. To: robin (#0)

Geraldo is now on Fox talking about what a wonderful thing that is going on at the convention center. 6 days after the storm, the people at the center are finally being evacuated.

He had made very emotional pleas for help last night on The Factor and Hannity and Colmes. I was waiting to see what he would say with Greta afterward, but she never went to Geraldo during her show, nor did she go to Shep Smith, another angry critic of the non action.

She did however go to other FOX reporters who had been working all day, so I came to a bit of a conclussion that FOX was not happy with the criticism of the evacuation process, and therefore kept Shep and Geraldo off the air.

Judging by Geraldo's praise for the relief effort now, I'd say that he, and maybe Shep were "reprogrammed" overnight.

Evolution stops when stupidity ceases to be FATAL!!!

Critter  posted on  2005-09-03   11:03:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Critter (#1)

Judging by Geraldo's praise for the relief effort now, I'd say that he, and maybe Shep were "reprogrammed" overnight.

ABSOLUTELY!! Good analysis. I'm sure Aaron Brown and the others who showed their dismay, shock and disgust with the govt's response have all been reprogrammed also.

"The final measure of any civilization is how it treats its weakest members."

robin  posted on  2005-09-03   11:06:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: robin, critter (#2)

It's pretty safe to assume that the networks have been told to get their rogue reporters in line or lose their broadcasting licenses. Sieg heil! All praise Dear Leader!

If a man has nothing that he is willing to die for, then he has nothing worth living for.

Esso  posted on  2005-09-03   11:39:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: robin (#0)

Maybe nobody is in charge at FEMA?:

Deputy Chief at FEMA -- or Maybe Not

Michael D. Brown , who runs the Federal Emergency Management Agency at the Department of Homeland Security, sent around a memo a couple of weeks ago saying "effective immediately," his chief of staff, Patrick Rhode , was the acting deputy director.

This caused some head-scratching, because there is no official deputy director position at FEMA, because there is no official director. The last person to hold such a post was Brown, before FEMA got folded into DHS. (Brown is now officially DHS undersecretary for emergency preparedness and response.)

A recent strategic review called for naming a deputy director, but Congress hasn't approved that plan and agencies don't usually go ahead without congressional blessing. Even more curious, it's not clear whether DHS or the White House, which approves such personnel moves, had signed off on Brown's move. FEMA says its general counsel approved the action.

Brown is widely expected to be leaving soon, and there has been some FEMA speculation that this is his way of trying to pave the way for a successor. Rhode had been associate administrator of the Small Business Administration.

aristeides  posted on  2005-09-03   11:44:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: robin (#0)

They had a full 7 days warning a storm of this magnitude was coming. 7 fucking days. Nobody did anything. For the last 60 years, they KNEW another Cat 5 Hurricane was coming. Nobody did anything.

Now, when people are dying we see just how fucking inept this generation of loser elites are at keeping order, and providing for the common good. Thanks a bunch Baby Boomers. You're all a bunch of fucking retards who should be not only impeached, but incarcerated, because incompetence of this magnitude should be a capital crime.

So many morons, so few bullets.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2005-09-03   11:46:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#5)

They had a full 7 days warning a storm of this magnitude was coming.

One week ago, ~2 days before the hurricane hit land:

Forecasters: Katrina to aim for Mississippi, Louisiana

States of emergency

In anticipation of a possible landfall, Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour and Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco declared states of emergency Friday.

Blanco said "very well-coordinated evacuations" were planned that will be enacted "if there's a direct threat."

"The final measure of any civilization is how it treats its weakest members."

robin  posted on  2005-09-03   11:50:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: all (#0)

Disaster FAQs

Hurricane Katrina: Why is the Red Cross not in New Orleans?

Hurricane Katrina: Why is the Red Cross not in New Orleans?

  • Acess to New Orleans is controlled by the National Guard and local authorities and while we are in constant contact with them, we simply cannot enter New Orleans against their orders.

  • The state Homeland Security Department had requested--and continues to request--that the American Red Cross not come back into New Orleans following the hurricane. Our presence would keep people from evacuating and encourage others to come into the city.

  • The Red Cross has been meeting the needs of thousands of New Orleans residents in some 90 shelters throughout the state of Louisiana and elsewhere since before landfall. All told, the Red Cross is today operating 149 shelters for almost 93,000 residents.

  • The Red Cross shares the nation57;s anguish over the worsening situation inside the city. We will continue to work under the direction of the military, state and local authorities and to focus all our efforts on our lifesaving mission of feeding and sheltering.

  • The Red Cross does not conduct search and rescue operations. We are an organization of civilian volunteers and cannot get relief aid into any location until the local authorities say it is safe and provide us with security and access.

  • The original plan was to evacuate all the residents of New Orleans to safe places outside the city. With the hurricane bearing down, the city government decided to open a shelter of last resort in the Superdome downtown. We applaud this decision and believe it saved a significant number of lives.

  • As the remaining people are evacuated from New Orleans, the most appropriate role for the Red Cross is to provide a safe place for people to stay and to see that their emergency needs are met. We are fully staffed and equipped to handle these individuals once they are evacuated.

(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)

Starwind  posted on  2005-09-03   11:51:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Starwind (#7)

This one still amazes me:


As a flooded New Orleans sinks further into despair, up to 500 Florida airboat pilots have volunteered to rescue Hurricane Katrina victims, transport relief workers and ferry supplies.

But they aren't being allowed in. And they're growing frustrated.

"We cannot get deployed to save our behinds," said Robert Dummett, state coordinator of the Florida Airboat Association. He said the pilots, who range from commercial airboat operators to weekend pleasure boaters, "are physically sick, watching the New Orleans coverage and knowing that the resources to help these poor people is sitting right in our driveways."

On standby since Monday, the pilots -- many from Central Florida -- have spent thousands of their own dollars stocking their boats and swamp buggies with food, water, medical supplies and fuel.

But the Federal Emergency Management Agency will not authorize the airboaters to enter New Orleans. Without that permission, they would be subject to arrest and would not receive security and support services.

The airboat association has complained to several congressmen who have contacted the federal agency on their behalf.

"The final measure of any civilization is how it treats its weakest members."

robin  posted on  2005-09-03   11:54:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: robin (#8)

The "reason" I read was the airboaters were held off because of snipers firing on boaters.

But, IMO, there was no justification to keep the airboaters in Florida. They could have been brought closer to N.O. in preparation and used where there was no sniping (assuming sniping really is happening) or used as soon as LEO/NG could supress the sniping.

Oddly, I don't read reports of sniping except where boats are concerned. One would think the convoys and buses and helicopters would be sniped as well (only one helicopter sniping incident reported IIRC). Why only boaters being sniped? Easiest, softest targets (people excepted)? Idunno.

But the airboaters could have been permitted to move closer in preparation. No argument about it.

(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)

Starwind  posted on  2005-09-03   12:04:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Starwind (#7)

Homeland Security wouldn't let the Red Cross into New Orleans. Apparent pretext: letting them in would diminish the incentive for people to get out of New Orleans.

aristeides  posted on  2005-09-03   12:06:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: aristeides (#10)

Apparent pretext: letting them in would diminish the incentive for people to get out of New Orleans.

Yes, since ancient times, armies have demonstrated the time-honored tactic of besieging a city to force the inhabitants to leave. :-/

(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)

Starwind  posted on  2005-09-03   12:11:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#5)

Thanks a bunch Baby Boomers. You're all a bunch of fucking retards who should be not only impeached, but incarcerated, because incompetence of this magnitude should be a capital crime.

I too feel the frustration and am pissed off at the President, and his minions for their lack of caring about anyone but themselves.

But Tommy...put the broad brush down. I'm a "Boomer" and couldn't be any more angry at the pricks in charge than you are.

Soda Pop  posted on  2005-09-03   12:16:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Soda Pop (#12)

I'm a "Boomer" and couldn't be any more angry at the pricks in charge than you are.

...as are many of us on this forum, and, for me, that's what makes my digust with those pukes so much more.

Lod  posted on  2005-09-03   13:58:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: robin (#6)

It amazes me, the total lack of competence from the mayor on up. Seriously, every single one of these people should be taken out of office in chains, and incarcerated for their sheer lack of competence.

This kind of idiocy, and dereliction is criminal. Especially since they had 60 years to get their problems fixed, and the very fact that our tax dollars fund this sort of incompetence, without accountability.

So many morons, so few bullets.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2005-09-03   15:34:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Soda Pop (#12)

Not to put too fine a point on it, there are so many baby boomers who are directly responsible for the state our country is in, and will never, ever be held accountable.

Sorry to use broad brush strokes, but you have to use a broad brush to paint the big picture, and the majority of people who have voted, and abetted the criminal negligence of our government, from the Mayor of New Orleans, to our current idiot in chief, are either the so called greatest thieving generation, or the I'm Entitled To Everything Baby Boomer Generation.

So many morons, so few bullets.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2005-09-03   15:39:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Critter (#1)

Judging by Geraldo's praise for the relief effort now, I'd say that he, and maybe Shep were "reprogrammed" overnight.

Yer kidding? He was positively melting down last night on TV. Who the heck got ahold of him?

Of course it hurts, You're getting screwed by an elephant

justlurking  posted on  2005-09-03   15:45:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: robin (#0)

Brown pushed from last job: Horse group: FEMA chief had to be `asked to resign'

By Brett Arends Saturday, September 3, 2005 - Updated: 02:01 PM EST

The federal official in charge of the bungled New Orleans rescue was fired from his last private-sector job overseeing horse shows.

And before joining the Federal Emergency Management Agency as a deputy director in 2001, GOP activist Mike Brown had no significant experience that would have qualified him for the position.

The Oklahoman got the job through an old college friend who at the time was heading up FEMA.

The agency, run by Brown since 2003, is now at the center of a growing fury over the handling of the New Orleans disaster.

``I look at FEMA and I shake my head,'' said a furious Gov. Mitt Romney yesterday, calling the response ``an embarrassment.''

President Bush, after touring the Big Easy, said he was ``not satisfied'' with the emergency response to Hurricane Katrina's devastation.

And U.S. Rep. Stephen Lynch predicted there would be hearings on Capitol Hill over the mishandled operation.

Brown - formerly an estates and family lawyer - this week has has made several shocking public admissions, including interviews where he suggested FEMA was unaware of the misery and desperation of refugees stranded at the New Orleans convention center.

Before joining the Bush administration in 2001, Brown spent 11 years as the commissioner of judges and stewards for the International Arabian Horse Association, a breeders' and horse-show organization based in Colorado.

``We do disciplinary actions, certification of (show trial) judges. We hold classes to train people to become judges and stewards. And we keep records,'' explained a spokeswoman for the IAHA commissioner's office. ``This was his full- time job . . . for 11 years,'' she added.

Brown was forced out of the position after a spate of lawsuits over alleged supervision failures.

``He was asked to resign,'' Bill Pennington, president of the IAHA at the time, confirmed last night.

Soon after, Brown was invited to join the administration by his old Oklahoma college roommate Joseph Allbaugh, the previous head of FEMA until he quit in 2003 to work for the president's re-election campaign.

The White House last night defended Brown's appointment. A spokesman noted Brown served as FEMA deputy director and general counsel before taking the top job, and that he has now overseen the response to ``more than 164 declared disasters and emergencies,'' including last year's record-setting hurricane season.

(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)

Starwind  posted on  2005-09-04   22:00:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Starwind (#17)

But he can sure tell good whoppers.

"The final measure of any civilization is how it treats its weakest members."

robin  posted on  2005-09-04   22:04:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: robin (#18)

One of the factors, I suspect, in G. W. Bush's failed business ventures (Arbusto Energy, Spectrum 7 Energy, Harken Energy, etc) is he rewards loyalty with promotions/appointments. He consequently surrounds himself with weak managers who are no threat to him. They are essentially "yesmen", people who are more inclined to acquiesce to Bush's viewpoint than to honestly inform him of the tradeoffs.

Bush seems to have very poor executive management skills, and because he's never had to pay the price of his management mistakes, he's never learned any better, and he continues as President to reward incompetance, provided that it is loyal incompetance.

Michael Brown seems another in a series of loyalty-payback appointments.

I often wondered why James A. Baker didn't join Bush's 1st administration after successfully managing the disputed Florida election. I suspect he did that as a favor to GHWB and knew he couldn't be a "yesman" on GWB's team. Similarly, former Treasury Secretary John O'Neil found out (albeit the hard way) and resigned.

(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)

Starwind  posted on  2005-09-04   22:26:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Critter (#1)

Judging by Geraldo's praise for the relief effort now, I'd say that he, and maybe Shep were "reprogrammed" overnight.

OH MY GOD...well, do they think people don't see their duplicity?????

"You can do everything for other countries but you can't do nothing for your own people. You can go overseas with the military but you can't get them down here."~~New Orleanian

christine  posted on  2005-09-04   22:31:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Starwind (#19)

Smirk is an all around failure. He's only in the WH because his father's friends propped him up to take the WH. They had to get Diebold to help them win in '04.

"The final measure of any civilization is how it treats its weakest members."

robin  posted on  2005-09-04   22:32:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: robin (#21)

I don't know that the election was actually "fixed" via Diebold, but I will agree Bush likely could never succeed at anything without his father's backing, which backing, connections, and political infighting admittedly is considerable.

(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)

Starwind  posted on  2005-09-04   22:37:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Starwind (#22)

I read an article with statistical "proof". The chances of the exit polls being so wrong in the areas that the e-voting machines were used, that made the difference, are astronomical.

Whatever the case, the Diebold president did promise "to deliver the election to the GW Bush". It was printed on invitations to a $1,000 plate dinner.

Of course, he apologized later.

The inventor of the e-voting machine died 8 months before the election. He was very upset that they were going to use them w/o a papertrail, something built into the system, that he considered vital.

His car was run off the road by a truck.

"The final measure of any civilization is how it treats its weakest members."

robin  posted on  2005-09-04   22:44:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: robin (#0)

Seems pretty clear the President exercised his authority and HS/FEMA had both responsibility and authority to act as of Saturday before the storm hit. I don't see where either the N.O. Mayor or LA Governor needed to jump thru more hoops or say "pretty please with suger on top" to get HS/FEMA to move.

Statement on Federal Emergency Assistance for Louisiana (from the Whitehouse):

The President today declared an emergency exists in the State of Louisiana and ordered Federal aid to supplement state and local response efforts in the parishes located in the path of Hurricane Katrina beginning on August 26, 2005, and continuing.

The President's action authorizes the Department of Homeland Security, Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), to coordinate all disaster relief efforts which have the purpose of alleviating the hardship and suffering caused by the emergency on the local population, and to provide appropriate assistance for required emergency measures, authorized under Title V of the Stafford Act, to save lives, protect property and public health and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a catastrophe in the parishes of Allen, Avoyelles, Beauregard, Bienville, Bossier, Caddo, Caldwell, Claiborne, Catahoula, Concordia, De Soto, East Baton Rouge, East Carroll, East Feliciana, Evangeline, Franklin, Grant, Jackson, LaSalle, Lincoln, Livingston, Madison, Morehouse, Natchitoches, Pointe Coupee, Ouachita, Rapides, Red River, Richland, Sabine, St. Helena, St. Landry, Tensas, Union, Vernon, Webster, West Carroll, West Feliciana, and Winn.

Specifically, FEMA is authorized to identify, mobilize, and provide at its discretion, equipment and resources necessary to alleviate the impacts of the emergency. Debris removal and emergency protective measures, including direct Federal assistance, will be provided at 75 percent Federal funding.

Representing FEMA, Michael D. Brown, Under Secretary for Emergency Preparedness and Response, Department of Homeland Security, named William Lokey as the Federal Coordinating Officer for Federal recovery operations in the affected area.

FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: FEMA (202) 646-4600.

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Starwind  posted on  2005-09-05   14:14:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Robin (#24)

Hurricane Center Director Tells Paper He Briefed Brown and Chertoff on Danger of Severe Flooding

By E&P Staff

Published: September 04, 2005 6:55 PM ET

NEW YORK Dr. Max Mayfield, director of the National Hurricane Center, told the Times-Picayune Sunday afternoon that officials with the Federal Emergency Management Agency and the Department of Homeland Security, including FEMA Director Mike Brown and Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, listened in on electronic briefings given by his staff in advance of Hurricane Katrina slamming Louisiana and Mississippi--and were advised of the storm's potential deadly effects.

"Mayfield said the strength of the storm and the potential disaster it could bring were made clear during both the briefings and in formal advisories, which warned of a storm surge capable of overtopping levees in New Orleans and winds strong enough to blow out windows of high-rise buildings," the paper reported. "He said the briefings included information on expected wind speed, storm surge, rainfall and the potential for tornados to accompany the storm as it came ashore.

"We were briefing them way before landfall," Mayfield said. "It's not like this was a surprise. We had in the advisories that the levee could be topped."

Chertoff told reporters Saturday that government officials had not expected the damaging combination of a powerful hurricane levee breaches that flooded New Orleans.

Brown, Mayfield said, is a dedicated public servant. "The question is why he couldn't shake loose the resources that were needed," he said.

Brown and Chertoff could not be reached for comment on Sunday afternoon.

In the days before Katrina hit, Mayfield said, his staff also briefed FEMA, which under the Department of Homeland Security, at FEMA's headquarters in Washington, D.C., its Region 6 office in Dallas and the Region 4 office in Atlanta about the potential effects of the storm. He said all of those briefings were logged in the hurricane center's records.

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Starwind  posted on  2005-09-05   14:21:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: robin, all (#0)

Katrina Timeline

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Starwind  posted on  2005-09-07   13:05:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Starwind, Red Jones, Zipporah, justlurking, rowdee (#26)

Katrina Timeline

Sunday, August 28

2AM – KATRINA UPGRADED TO CATEGORY 4 HURRICANE [CNN]

7AM – KATRINA UPGRADED TO CATEGORY 5 HURRICANE [CNN]

Great link, thanks Starwind.

Sat it had just been upgraded to a 3.

The water was toppling the levees by Sunday afternoon.

Even people with cars did not have time to get out, the roads being crowded, and some closed.

"The final measure of any civilization is how it treats its weakest members."

robin  posted on  2005-09-07   14:09:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Starwind, robin (#26)

fantastic link Starwind. thanks.

Red Jones  posted on  2005-09-07   16:43:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: robin, Starwind (#27)

Thanks for the ping, Robin, and for the Timeline, Starwind.

I was trying to find a timeline earlier today. So dang much happens so quickly and time flies by too darn fast nowadays. So, the timeline helps.

rowdee  posted on  2005-09-07   18:29:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: robin (#27)

Thanks for the ping. I was looking for a comprehensive timeline on the events re Katrina to refer to.

'Don't Dream It's Over'

Zipporah  posted on  2005-09-07   18:33:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: robin, Red Jones, rowdee (#27)

Great link, thanks Starwind.

fantastic link Starwind. thanks.

Thanks for the ping, Robin, and for the Timeline, Starwind.

All y'all are very welcome

(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)

Starwind  posted on  2005-09-07   21:04:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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